Talk:WTO Ministerial Conference of 2005

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Man, this article is in sad shape, considering the meeting is next month! Get moving. -- Fuzheado | Talk 08:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'll start working on it soon, boss! Anonym88se 08:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Fuzheado | Talk 08:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Under opening, I also cleaned up the bias and use of such loaded words as "riots." see NPOV--Kaspiann 05:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

It would also be useful to have a source/link for the numbers "148 countries" and for the figure "10,000 protesters." --Kaspiann 05:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


Contents

[edit] Participants

Shouldn't the number of countries sending delegates be first in the opening paragraph? The way it's phrased makes it seem like the protestors are the reason this conference is happening, and it's incidentally being attended by official representatives from other countries. I think. --Nmindos 17:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Security

This section revealed an extreme bias against possible demonstrations/ors engaging in illegal violent acts. I cleaned it up -- see guidelines NPOV----Kaspiann 05:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Cleaned up the links (who added this Dick Lee link?? -- nice one) and added new ones (Hong Kong Basic Law), corrected spelling, grammar and deleted bias--Kaspiann 14:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

By the way, if anyone's reading this...what do you think should be the appropriate name for the police commissioner -- Dick Lee or Lee Ming Kwai? --Kaspiann 14:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The foreign press refer to the police chief as Dick Lee, though this name is probably unknown to most of the Cantonese-speaking Hongkong people. Unable to consult SCMP, the most popular English paper here, as its online edition requires subscription.
--Pkchan 09:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Participation of NGOs

Bias is a concern NPOV-- NGO's are too often referred to using unbalanced vocabulary choices and are mentioned in the same paragraph with one unfortunate incident: the suicide of Lee Kyung Hae. A modicum of effort will reveal that an wide array of descriptors and other less extreme but relevant examples of NGO activities are available. --Kaspiann 15:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I added a link about Lee Kyung Hae to provide deeper understanding and add balance.--Kaspiann 06:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Reinserted info that was deleted concerning MC5 and 5 Star Hotels, and this time provided a BBC link. Also, reinserted info about the KPL to provide balance. see NPOV--Kaspiann 15:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The potential benefits of the success of the MC6

I tried to clarify the potential benefits and cleaned up spelling, grammar. There also seemed to be a suggestion that the WTO exists to help developed countries, which is not the case. It is a forum to discuss issues of trade -- whether a decision helps one or another country is not the WTO's primary concern. --Kaspiann 06:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the clarification!! ---- -- BJ Diana

[edit] Mistakes

I have corrected some grammatical mistakes.--BJ Diana

[edit] Doha development agenda

Cleaned up syntax and grammar--Kaspiann 03:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Fixed link pointing to "alimony" under Dometstic Support. 41.243.145.244 08:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Involvement of the Commonwealth of Nations

I added this new section based on breaking news--Kaspiann 04:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sponsorship

Cleaned up spelling, grammar. --Kaspiann 09:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I also reinserted relevant information that was deleted, as well as a link to the HK gov't's WTO site. It is a significant point that the government is using public money to support a conference for which it arguably does not have a mandate. --Kaspiann 09:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Also Cardith, or whoever, you should provide links for the sources you quotes regarding the numbers for the Xerox, BMW info (50 million, 6 million, 93, 280 cars). If not, I'd support deleting them. --Kaspiann 09:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I added one for BMX.--Simon Shek 13:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
BMW :-) — Instantnood 11:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Really a joke for you all. Quite sleeply in the few day, thank you Instantnood.@@"--Simon Shek 13:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Demonstrations

Who hold these demonstration?? Hong Kong People's Alliance on WTO, or another one? --Simon Shek 13:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


The demonstrations started. Anyone want to add some english sources? [1]  --  W  P Talk 09:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Unforunately, I can't read chinese -- but I would be really appreciate if someone who could can visit the 'zh' wikipedia and translate the WTO demonstrations page there -- it looks a lot more detailed that the En version right now. (I can't read chinese boohoo) novacatz 17:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I could translate later tonight. Won't have any guarantee on quality. Calyth 18:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

A portion of the demonstration section, up to Dec 14, of zh wikipedia on the WTO MC2005 demonstrations has been translated. They're rough, and some of them (particularly names of the various Korean labour associations) are either literal or just a generic name for it (cause there is no link to the English names of their associations). It was meant to translate the reporting that was missing in the en version, and some of these events doesn't match - zh version said that the "coast guard" and firefighters did not stop the protesters that jumped into Victoria Harbour, but we know that's not true (or at least unlikely, because the zh page said one man fainted in the water). I put it on my personal page on Wikipedia because it is definitely not high enough quality. Calyth 09:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I applaud the division of the links, however, I'm not sure "Mass" fits here so I respectfuly deleted it. --Kaspiann 07:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rubbish?

After about an hour of confrontation, the protesters cleaned up after themselves and took their rubbish away with them.

The above line was taken from the December 14th section. The use of the word rubbish is highly un-neutral and the whole line is very bias. I will change it to: "After about an hour of confrontation, confrontations between police and protestors dimished"

    • The use of the word 'rubbish' is common in Hong Kong. It basically means trash. In fact, when I attended school in Hong Kong, I never learned the word 'trash'. I still agree with the editting though, since it seems more professional. However, I do not see how the original statement is bias in any way.
    • Rubbish and trash in fact mean the same. Rubbish is used in British English and trash in American English. Rubbish here in this context does not mean the opinion someone thinks it's bad, it basically means something you throw away. If you really find it confusing, you may use the word refuse. But it is quite formal and I don't think it is necessary.
I never considered there is a second meaning to the word "rubbsh". The sentence shows the protestors care about HK.  --  W  P Talk 04:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Media section - neutrality of HK Media

I personally consider the statement that the HK Media is slanted against the Korean Peasant League itself to be slanted.

From the TVB satellite news that I was able to catch, and HK newspapers sites, it is stating the facts as they are. KPL's violent demonstrations are the worst since 1967 for Hong Kong. In mingpao.com alone, if one could read Chinese, and click on the HK News, there are reportings of more peaceful demonstrations (like the ones about how the KPL defaced the US consulate's name plaque with anti-WTO graffiti), about HK citizens that observed the intensity of Korean Farmer's plight. The reporting is much shorter than Western newspaper site's standards, but my father, who is a frequent reader of said website, has told me that their news reporting on their website is usually much shorter than the print version in HK.

But honestly, what did anyone expect the media to do? When protesters were about 50 meters from the Convention center, and some actually broke through and approaches the older wing's entrance, the police finally used tear gas. Did anyone honestly expect HK media to concentrate the plight of Korean farmers while close to 1000 protesters have been causing violent protest almost ceaselessly on a special ensemble of police? If it happened on American soil, I'll guarantee that it would be reported the same sensationlist way.

24.84.65.63 08:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Has re-written the POV paragraph to reflect on a more neutral view on the media's take of the event.
--Pkchan 14:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate commentaries of the media

On Dec 17 the two local television statations (TVB and ATV) repeatedly showed the demonstrators trying to break from the areas that they were assigned for demonstrations, with continuous verbal statement that has the effect of a 'state media' as it supported the violence used by the Hong Kong Police Force without remembering a news programme is supposed to be impartial. The image shown on TV also focused predominantly the demonstrators when they tried to reach the Hong Kong Covention & Exhibition Centre, in order to highlight the Korean farmers as a crowd of unruly people. The press has not done better as most coverage is biased.

I have removed the above text under section Sponsorship which comments on the bias by TVB and ATV and the press because:

  1. it duplicates a paragraph under the Media section, and
  2. it is, imo, POV.

I would suggest further that the same paragraph under the Media section be re-written.

--Pkchan 08:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC) I agree with Pkchan. It simply does not belong under the logistics -> media subsection. And I find the paragraph itself biased anyways. 24.84.65.63 03:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ministerial Text

The MC6 was over and the Ministerial Text was released. This article should include something about the Ministerial Text. Does anyone have some ideas of the Ministerial Text?

[edit] Using Ming Pao as source

That's not very good because all the links are now dead. I should've checked before using it. Anyone have better sources? WP 08:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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