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[edit] Shield Technology

The statement about the Wraith lack shield technology because of their lack of technological sophistication is false. They do possess shield tech, we've seen that some of the laboratories are shielded. It is assumed that they never equiped their ships with shield tech because their only major adversary (Lanteans) had weapons tech that would render shields useless. And therefore didn't waste the resources to equip their ships with it. Ancient Drones bypass shields altogether, and Ancient beam cannons punch through any known defense, shields & thick hulls included.

[edit] Origin of the wraith

1. If the wraith evolved by sucking the blood of the ancients than in order for the wraith to be 100 times more numerous they would have had too suck the blood of 99% of the ancients.
2. It would take decades at best for the wraith to evolve to the point of space travel capable of destroying the ancients.
3. The wraith can not survive without human food.
4. Why would the ancients allow there people to be killed off for decades allowing the wraith population to grow and evolve to the point of space travel capable of destroying the ancients.

[edit] Cleanup Reasoning

While the article is fairly well written and informative, it needs to really be sectioned. For a general idea, see the articles on Klingon and Human for a standard of quality to be aspired. With that said, I don't expect long pages such as those, seeing as the Wraith are fairly new in comparison -- just sectioning that makes sense. (For instance, sections on Wraith tech, origins, aspirations, and the Wraith-Ancient connection, would make the article much more understandable. Thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 02:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not counting the intro lines there are only four paragraphs in this article, with each paragraph being generally about a single subject (technology, physiology, etc.). If we put in headers we'd basically be giving each paragraph a title, which I think is a little excessive. Perhaps once the article is actually longer? Bryan 03:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This would be true, were I to just segment what is already present in the article. There needs to be topics on Wraith ships and their culture, which is already beginning to come out on reputable source-sites such as GateWorld. Needless to say, I intend to extend it myself -- and it'll probably grow from there, particularly with all indications pointing to unraveling about the Wraith's backstory in season two. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 20:33, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Race-summary box

If any article that doesn't already have one (i.e. that box for Stargate races with specs, homeworld, governing body, first appearance, etc. that the Asgard have) deserves it, it's this one. But I can't put it in; my computer freezes up every time I try. Could someone do that? LD

OK, now that it's done, it's all messed up, and I can't fix it; not only does it look wrong, the bgcolor is off. I'm afraid of another crash, so HELP! LD

[edit] skin tone

Wasn't the Wraith in The Defiant One more brown than green or blue? Tom e r ^talk 11:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similarity to Other Sci-Fi Species

The remarkable similarity in terms of concept to the Atavus (the 2nd one, the one from the 5th Season) from Earth: Final Conflict should be noted. In that series, they were a race of vampires who fed off of the lifeforce of humans through energy claws (basically long astral fingernails). They were a savage, semi-feral race that planned to feed off of the humans like a herd. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.67.195.168 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Wraith abilities

I'm an avid fan of the show, and I've noticed that this article is missing a couple of things about the Wraith; mainly their superhuman strength and speed. On a couple of episodes, such as the Defiant One and a few others, they show specifically just how strong a Wraith is. On the defiant One, they show that a Wraith is able to leap upwards with great ease, and on the episode with Ellia, it shows a Wraith leaping down from above, from on top of a tree branch, and striking Dr. Beckett with enough force to knock him a good ten, fifteen feet away. And that's not telekinesis right there, because he had to strike Dr. Beckett to knock him away. If it were telekinesis, it'd be tactile telekinesis. Another example would be the strength Lt. Col. Sheperd displayed when he became infected and began to mutate. The man could leap like a grasshopper! Also, remember on the defiant one and the episode where Lt. Col. Shepard became infected with the modified retrovirus? On the defiant one, Shepard noted that the Wraith was rather fast, covering great distances rather quickly, faster than they could of covered. And in the episode where Shepard was infected and mutating, they noted that He moving way too fast for a normal Human to be moving. So, I think we should re-edit the text to include the Wraith's superhuman strength and speed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Celestialphoenixreborn (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Faces

“The lowest echelons are distinctly different; they lack intelligence and even faces.” Is it canonically established that the low-level soldiers are truly faceless and not, e.g., wearing masks? -Ahruman 18:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison

How powerful are the Wraith compared to the Asgard, assuming that the Asgard have already successfully dealt with the Replicators.

[edit] Alliances as of season 10?

The Wraith are mostly confined to Stargate Atlantis - which is in season 3. Why does the infobox say season 10? Imho, it should probably be changed... TerraFrost 13:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I noticed this as well. If we're going to use if for both SG-1 and Atlantis, we should probably remove the season reference. I don't see that it serves a purpose to define the season. Morphh 13:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

For those intrested in the race template i've added an if statement so the allainces text only shows if it is called and i have removed the "non" from the article. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 14:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar. Etc. etc.

I've fixed some of the grammar and spelling, but it still needs more work on grammar. Just who spelled 'cull' 'kull' ? That's awful spelling. and where did you guys get that only Queens can make illusions with their mental powers? Thats origanal research. Wraithlord 14:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Fanfic

"The Wraith can consume human food and drinks, but apparently it gives them no nourishment and is strictly done for pleasure. This is apparently considered to be a more sophisticated type of enjoyment, and not all Wraith do this." References? True or fanfic? Wraithlord 12:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you not watch Stargate Atlantis? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 12:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was discussed in Condemned (Stargate Atlantis) and Instinct (Stargate Atlantis). Morphh 13:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It is. Apparently, a male Wraith who made a deal with the Olesian Magistrate said that he did it for pleasure, but that most Wraith find it useless. -- SFH 23:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Captive Wraith's voice

I noticed that the captive Wraith from Common Ground sounded very human like at the beginning of the episode, but as time went on and he feed more from Sheppard, his voice started to sound more Wraith like. Did anyone else notice that? And if so, is there some possible significance? -- SFH 23:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] plot

the 'hypothetical' at the end of plot should probably be removed. i could surmount a huge amount of plots that could occur, why should this one be included?

[edit] Contradiction?

'Natives to the Pegasus Galaxy, where a team of humans have taken up residence on an exploration mission, the species are vastly technologically superior to humans, though are less advanced in comparison to the more advanced alien species depicted on both Atlantis and SG-1. Despite their technological inferiority, the Wraith exist in overwhelming...'

So which are they? Technologically superior or inferior? JonEastham 22:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wraith are technologically superior to humanity, inferior to the Asgard, and vastly inferior to the Ancients. They conquered the Ancients due to their overwhelming numerical superiority. JBK405 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

You gotta remember, most of the humans in Pegasus are agrarian level societies. Only a few are industrialized, and those usually get wiped out by the Wraith. -- SFH 16:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

They messed up, though, the hologram in Rising says that "Never had we encountered a species who's powers rivaled our own. In our overconfidence we weren't prepared and were outnumbered." Kind of strange, what are the "powers" they refer to if not technological power? The wraith don't even have intergalactic travel technology, so they don't approach the ancients. For that matter, why couldn't the ancients bring in reinforcements from outside the Pegasus Galaxy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The snare (talk • contribs)

The Wraith's technology was closer to the Ancients than anyone else they had encountered (presumably not including the other 3 Great Races - I guess they were just talking about enemies). They couldn't call on reinforcements because there were no Ancients anywhere else. When they left the Milky Way and went to Pegasus, they only left 2 people behind - not really much help. --Tango 12:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voice and hair

Did anyone ever notice the that the typical Wraith haircut, with the braid hanging down the side of the face and the rest of the hair hanging behind the back, resembles the stereotypical Native American haircut? I don't know how the real Native Americans wore their hair, but it certainly resembles what you see on movies and in pictures. Alo, the Wraith in Common Ground spoke with a bit of a Native american accent, did anyone notice that, either? Or is it just me? Wraithlord 12:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Never crossed my mind but interesting thought... Morphh ^(talk) 14:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Connection with Vampires???????

Personally I find connecting wraith to vampires very idiotic. I'm sure the wraith are a rip off the Atavas and maybe vampires from movies but to imply that they have actual connections with vampiric legends in the show is insane. We know they are isolated from the humans of Earth and never have had contact with them, due to lack of proper warp technology. So how could they influence vampiric legends on Earth without Earth becoming one of their feeding grounds. They didn't even know about Earth's existence until they took info from Atlantis databanks

I agree quite emphatically, though they're vaguely similar (Suck life and have no age limit), they're also quite dissimilar and have absolutely no connection to Earth mythology; the Wraith had no contact with our galaxy at all and, though the Lanteans might have brought back knowledge of the Wraith when they evacuated Atlantis, our own conecept of the Vampire did not emerge until millennia after the remainder died out on Earth. If it's in the article it should definitely be removed. JBK405 00:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

They're not supposed to be the in-universe inspiration for vampires like the Asgard are the in-universe inspiration for the greys, but it's very clear that, behind the scenes, they were directly or indirectly inspried by vampires. -- Gordon Ecker 04:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

How so? Greek gods, elemental spirits, and sea turtles all have age limits in the hundreds/thousands of years, and every living creature (Except the plants at the literal bottom of the food chain) survives by taking energy from other beings, the Wraith just do it in a more direct fasion (They don't need to bother converting plant and animal flesh back into energy through complex metabolic processes). Now I don't mean to say that I think the Wraith are a sea turtle inspired being, but it's not a "clear" vampire inspiration. JBK405 05:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there's enough of a connection to categorize them as fictional vampires, but that's about it. -- Gordon Ecker 06:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember where in the series it was but didn't one of the characters make a brief correlation between the Wraith and vampires? Something about the Ancients possibly planting the images of Vampires to make us fear any possible Wraith attack. HotOne121 (talk) 05:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Runners

Where was it stated that runners were immune to feeding?

Give me a citation!The Shroud 19:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not all Runners, but Ronon explicitly stated that "something" made the Wraith trying to feed upon him stop, and when we saw the clip it looked like the Wraith had never even begun, Ronon never stopped grinning. As for why Ronon was immune...I got nothing. Maybe it was natural immunity, maybe the Wraith trying to feed on him was "full" and decided he didn't want to get an upset stomach (Though I'm not going to place too much money on that one), or maybe there is no particular reason. To my knowledge we currently have no explanation. JBK405 00:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember this at all. Ronon was simply a gifted soldier. The Wraith that was going to feed upon him likely knew this somehow and decided he would be a good Runner. HotOne121 (talk) 05:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Religion

Should there be a section about how some humans worship the Wraith? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.181.191 (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional albinos?

Do they belong in this category? The Wraith have yellow eyes, and have been observed with various pale skin tones ranging from blue to yellow in addition to white, and female Wraith have been observed with red and brown hair. -- Gordon Ecker 04:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reproduction

This is pure speculation, there isn't any conclusive evidence pointing towards either of the possibilities. -- Gordon Ecker 07:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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