Template talk:WPBiography

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Template:WPBiography is permanently protected from editing, as it is a heavily used or visible template.

Substantial changes should be proposed here, and made by administrators if the proposal is uncontroversial, or has been discussed and is supported by consensus. Use {{editprotected}} to attract the attention of an administrator in such cases.
Any contributor may edit the template's documentation to add usage notes, categories or interwiki links.
Please use Template:WPBiography/sandbox to carry out tests and provide coding for any changes to this template.
Archive
Archives
  1. September 2006
  2. March 2007
  3. July 2007
  4. November 2007


Contents

[edit] Template examples

[edit] Example 1: basic

{{WPBiography|class=NA}}
This page is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.
Biography Portal
NA This page is not an article and does not require a rating on the quality scale.

[edit] Example 2: full

{{WPBiography
|living                  = yes
|class                   = NA
|priority                = NA
|attention               = yes
|collaboration-candidate = yes
|past-collaboration      = 1 June 2006 - 14 June 2006
|peer-review             = yes
|old-peer-review         = yes
|needs-infobox           = yes
|needs-persondata        = yes
|needs-photo             = yes
|activepol               = yes
|a&e-work-group          = yes
|politician-work-group   = yes
|royalty-work-group      = yes
|military-work-group     = yes
|sports-work-group       = yes
|s&a-work-group          = yes
|musician-work-group     = yes
|peerage-work-group      = yes
|baronets-work-group     = yes
|filmbio-work-group      = yes
|removal                 = yes
|listas                  = Biography Wikiproject Template
}}
This page is about an active politician who is running for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some political conflict or controversy.

Because of this, this article is at risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism.
This page is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.
Biography Portal
NA This page is not an article and does not require a rating on the quality scale.
Note The subject of this article has requested that they not be included in Wikipedia. While Wikipedia does not honor these requests, this article should be monitored for controversial or unsourced material.
This non-article page is supported by the Politics and government work group.
This non-article page is supported by the Royalty and nobility work group.
This non-article page is supported by WikiProject Musicians, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed biographical guide to musicians and musical groups on Wikipedia.
This non-article page is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed biographical guide to actors and filmmakers on Wikipedia.
This non-article page is supported by WikiProject Peerage.
This non-article page is supported by WikiProject Baronetcies.
This non-article page is supported by the Sports and games work group.
This non-article page is supported by the Science and academia work group.
This non-article page is supported by the Military work group.
Photo request It is requested that a picture or pictures of this person be included in this article to improve its quality.

Note: Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images (such as promotional photos, press photos, screenshots, book covers and similar) to merely show what a living person looks like. Efforts should be made to take a free licensed photo during a public appearance, or obtaining a free content release of an existing photo instead.
Maintenance An appropriate infobox may need to be added to this article, or the current infobox may need to be updated. Please refer to the list of biography infoboxes for further information.
Maintenance Appropriate persondata may need to be added to this article, or the current persondata may need to be updated. Please refer to the WikiProject Persondata for further information.

[edit] WikiProject British Royalty example

{{WPBiography
|british-royalty=yes
|class=NA
|priority=Top
}}
British Royalty This page is within the scope of WikiProject British Royalty (a child project of the Royalty and Nobility Work Group), an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to British Royalty on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you should visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
NA This page is not an article and does not require a rating on the quality scale.

[edit] Actors and Filmmaker Switch

"filmbio-work-group: Answer yes if the article is within the scope of WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, otherwise remove this line." Is that only film actors or television actors as well.? Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 09:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template design question

Is it not inviting frequent changes (as work-groups come & go) to have each possible workgroup organised as its own line:

|a&e-work-group =
|politician-work-group =
|british-royalty =
|royalty-work-group =
|military-work-group =
|sports-work-group =
|s&a-work-group =
|musician-work-group =
|peerage-work-group =
|baronets-work-group =
|filmbio-work-group =

rather than something like

|work-group=

which can accept parameters such as "baronet, peerage" &c--Tagishsimon (talk) 15:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Workgroup parameters

I've just added "musician-work-group=yes" "a&e-work-group=yes" on Talk:Nur Ali Elahi, as the subject was both a musician and a scholar. The musician text and categories show up, but the a&e does not. I see in the archives that there were some changes made concerning one not nesting into the other, and I'm wondering if this is resolved. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

That was by design iirc. a&e is arts & ents, of which musician is a subdivision. Scholars are s&a... fixed, hopefully - please review that what's there now is what you wanted. --kingboyk (talk) 21:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help and clarification. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editprotected request

{{editprotected}}

Request: Replace the image used for the "Activepol" parameter with Image:Ballot box current.svg, which actually reflects the contents of the box, rather then just saying "!", as the current one does. 68.39.174.238 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Y Done! Neil ☎ 09:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List-class

In my opinion, lists should be assessed in the same way as other articles, not least because Lists can be Featured. What do other people think? --kingboyk 14:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Comments section in this template

It's possible to use this template to post comments for an article, for example about its rating; however, in some cases this seems to interfere with the contents of the Talk page. See Talk:Michael Scheuer for an example - the contents box is, for some reason, inside the Biography template. Does anyone know why this happened, or how to fix it? Terraxos (talk) 17:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments pages need to have their headings done like this:
<includeonly>;</includeonly><noinclude>==</noinclude>[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment<noinclude>==</noinclude> or they are interpreted as part of the page content when transcluded in the Project banner, and this forces the ToC to appear inside the template. Another solution would be to add __TOC__ to the page below these templates, and an even better one would be for WPBiography to stop transcluding these things, and link to /Comments instead like the other project banners do. Transcluding them is rather user-hateful, as they can often be several screens long, and virtually unreadable when small=yes. See Talk:Irving Crane for example. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
They shouldn't be several pages long, as they're designed for transclusion into long list pages produced by a bot. /Comments should be a few lines at most. (I wrote much of this template, and iirc /Comments pages were my idea in the first place).
That said, if things have changed and it's now causing a problem, feel free to alter the template code. We don't want to annoy people unnecessarily I'm sure. --kingboyk (talk) 20:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does wikipedia needs more templates on the talk pages?...

This template is terrible.

If a user types yes in the "needs-infobox" "needs-photo" then two more templates clutter up the top of a page. On many pages there are already 4-5 templates. This bass akwards template creates three more templates.

Example

{{WPBiography |living = yes |class = Start |attention = yes |needs-infobox = yes |needs-photo = yes}} creates four templates:

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.
Biography Portal
Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ]
Photo request It is requested that a picture or pictures of this person be included in this article to improve its quality.

Note: Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images (such as promotional photos, press photos, screenshots, book covers and similar) to merely show what a living person looks like. Efforts should be made to take a free licensed photo during a public appearance, or obtaining a free content release of an existing photo instead.
Maintenance An appropriate infobox may need to be added to this article, or the current infobox may need to be updated. Please refer to the list of biography infoboxes for further information.

Like many protected templates where the masses can't viciously edit the template, this template is counter productive.

Suggestions

Since only the anointed (admins) can edit this template, can anyone condense the number of templates WPBiography creates?

  1. Maybe the extra templates can go to the bottom?
  2. Maybe the extra templates can be condensed into one template instead of four?

Why not make the template page partially or semi protected?

Why these changes will never happen:

  1. Unfortunately, like most talk page requests, this one will be ignored. By protecting this page (for good reasons I am sure) WP:BB does not apply on this template, therefore changes will be glacial, and...
  2. Unfortunately, [but even worse than most pages because this page is protected], there is a couple of editors who came up with the genius idea too add four additional templates from one. So they will probably consider this criticism a personal criticism against their fine work on wikipedia, and will refuse to change anything.

Sigh. T (talk) 14:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

In a slightly nicer way of saying it, this template does look messy when you see three or four separate boxes on one talk page. Couldn't this be made into one box? Here's an example I propose:
Proposed changes 
I made this using semi-mangled HTML, so someone that can decypher the template syntax could do this. {{blp/BLPtext}} is what's included, and it doesn't have any box coding, so using that template will give you the words without the box (which is what I've done). The others are buried in the template syntax, so they only need top placement and the separate box coding removed. Thanks. 69.221.128.247 (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Active politician

Active politician currently says "This page is about an active politician who is running for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some political conflict or controversy." That's too strong. There are plenty of active politicians who are not currently campaigning for (re)election nor in any controversy. Maybe this should be reworded? Or maybe there should be more options, eg: no, active, campaigning, controversy? Regards, Ben Aveling 11:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Then they're "in office" :) Note that we transclude the message from {{Activepolitician}}, so wording changes should be discussed at Template talk:Activepolitician. --kingboyk (talk) 20:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually it looks like the text from {{Activepolitician}} has been moved in here, as the article and talk pages of it have deprecated warnings. 69.221.128.247 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Displaying priority etc

[from archive] not real important, but next time the template's updated, can it reflect the change frm 'importance' to 'priority' ie display that rating like the other project templates display the 'importance' rating?  ⇒ bsnowball  16:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually it IS rather important: now the template uses both "priority" and "importance" in different places without mutual interchangeability and any documentation. (Oh, what I'd give to have the rights to sort out the mess in the code...) --Malyctenar 09:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
If you think you can, just do so in a sandbox and after sufficient testing, your cleaned up version can be dropped in, in place of the original code. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 10:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, you do have the right to "sort out the mess" (thanks, glad you like it! :)), you just don't have the right to make the save because each time a big template like this gets saved it places some strain on the servers. So, please fire away in a sandbox and present your changes here for consideration.
Re importance/priority: Could you tell me exactly which code you are talking about? We started with importance= but moved to priority= after some debate about POV/BLP issues of assessing "importance". Some references to importance= would have been left in for backwards compatibility. This is the first I've heard of anything being broken however, and it's damned surprising that it's taken this long for it to be raised considering how widely used the template is. Give me a template instance which is broken too, please (i.e. what combination of parameters causes breakages). I ask for this info because although it was probably me who wrote that code I haven't worked on this template for a long time so can't really remember much about it. Are you sure you're not confusing "backwards compatability" (good) with "interchangeable use within the code" (theoretically bad but who cares?!). --kingboyk (talk) 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Yep, I've just had a look. Perhaps you ought to get your facts right before making these sweeping statements :) The template recognises importance= as being equal to priority= (because we already had many talk pages tagged with importance= before we had to switch to priority=), and also puts the talk page into Category:Biography articles needing priority parameter replacement so that the importance= param can be renamed. This ensures the template works even if the wrong parameter name is used. Granted it may be time to consider deprecating importance= altogether, but it sure doesn't seem broke.
There's over 1000 articles in Category:Biography articles needing priority parameter replacement at the moment, so I guess I'll send my bot out later to tidy them up. Don't be surprised to find it empty later but right now it's far from it; evidence to me at least that the backwards compatibility features are still working well. --kingboyk (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
unarchiving the above as it seems to be more important than i first thought. can we pls have the template & documentation fully updated to implement the change to 'priority'?  ⇒ bsnowball  08:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
That change was made in August 2006 and this template is used on over 100,000 pages. Thus I'm still struggling to see what the problem is and why it hasn't been identified before :)
The documentation is at Template:WPBiography/doc and may be edited by anybody. Please feel free to improve it! --kingboyk (talk) 21:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

There's 14 articles in Category:Biography articles needing priority parameter replacement right now, and I cleaned it out only a day or 2 ago. In other words, maybe 100 talk pages a week are getting importance= settings added. I'm not at all against totally deprecating importance= now, and removing (say) all but a warning from the template if it's used. However, given that folks obviously still haven't got the message that the correct parameter name is priority= I wouldn't want to be that bold without changing all existing template instances first (or, we have to carry on monitoring that category in which case we may as well just retain the backwards compatible code). Thoughts? --kingboyk (talk) 20:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC) PS I now have my bot forceably change WPBio importance= to priority when it processes a talk page, even if the parameter has no value. That'll sort a few thousand instances out in the next few days I suspect.

[edit] Spelling correction

Is there some way that the spelling of libellous can be corrected. The correct British English spelling has two Ls but it is appearing on all the templates as libelous. It sets a very poor example to have words mis-spelled in this way. I wonder if libelous with one L is perhaps the American English spelling. If so is it possible to have two different versions of the template. Dahliarose (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The text in question is transcluded from Template:Blp/BLPtext. We're just the messengers :) The talk page for discussing it is at Template talk:Blp.
This issue has been discussed already at Template_talk:Blp#Libelous_.2F_Libellous.
As originally written, it said "libellous". I'm just trying to find out changed it and when... Looking at it, I think I changed it inadvertently; we'd agreed to leave it as was I think. I guess I must have pasted in somebody's text suggestion including the altered spelling without realising... hmm... Well, I guess I'll have to revert myself, as I'm sure I didn't do that on purpose and there was no consensus to change it.
If as seems my changing it causes renewed discussion you need to be looking at Template talk:Blp not here. Cheers. --kingboyk (talk) 22:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Automatically assessed biography articles

The above category was created to keep an eye on articles automatically assessed as "stub class". It wasn't known at the time if it would prove controversial or not (it seems to be accepted). Also, the number of articles in that category is so large that I wonder if it has any use for humans.

I was wondering then whether we ought to remove this category from the template. It's arguably not really needed at the moment and provided folks use auto=yes rather than adding their own boilerplate text we could easily restore it at a later date if needed. Of course, it's not particularly problematic and it only needs one person to say they're using it to find articles to assess for it to be worth keeping. --kingboyk (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Of course, there might be a few {{stubclass}} templates floating about which use the category individually too.
It looks like WPMILHIST have removed their auto=yes parameter altogether. I think that's a bad idea; it's handy to know which articles weren't really assessed but which were hit by a bot, and I think the large messagebox it displays is good at inviting editor attention. I'd rather keep the category than delete the whole scheme altogether. Not having also leads to bots placing boilerplate text on pages about assessments, several thousands of which my bot is currently cleaning up.
So, since nobody has spoken out in favour of nuking this category I guess we keep it for now. --kingboyk (talk) 20:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Just as a comment, the current auto=yes parameter is rather Kingbotk-centric.;-/ What happens when you have a bot like User:FlagBot that is capable of reliably assessing Start class articles? The current text generated by auto=yes is inappropriate, but I don't like the idea of having no indication in the template that the assessment was by bot. Two obvious ways to do it would be either to add a botname= paramter, or to save on template spaghetti, set the auto= parameter to the name of the bot. I thought I'd mention it, although I've no immediate plans to set FlagBot loose on the bio project just yet - I've a heap of other things to do at the moment, and I want to do more testing of my regexes in the calmer water of the country WikiProjects before I give him spaghetti to eat.... FlagSteward (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Biography articles with listas parameter

Seems to be totally useless. Remove? --kingboyk (talk) 17:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I've found it quite useful - but I am a relative newcomer. I started doing some work via the Photography project to get some of the photo requests better categorised. In the process, I've got frustrated that many biographies are not sorted by surname, and have stumbled across the whole problem of listas and DEFAULTSORT - which I'm still trying to get my head round. In the process, I've been using the "with listas" and "without listas" categories to identify different articles for comparison to help me understand what works and what doesn't...... Currently, I'm none the wiser, but I'm about to tackle the relevant Talk archives. Wish me luck!! Romney yw (talk) 23:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
If I recall correctly, I read a discussion in which Carcharoth presented a viewpoint which I found compelling at the time, for the use of the "Biography articles with listas parameter" category. Unfortunately, I don't remember now what it was :( But it made sense at the time. I'll request that he comment here. --Lini (talk) 05:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

See Category talk:Biography articles with listas parameter:

"This category only tracks use of listas. To understand what I am saying about DEFAULTSORT, try and answer the simple question: "Which biographical articles do not yet have DEFAULTSORT?" Think of it as a clean-up category. If a biographical article doesn't have DEFAULTSORT, you would want to add that to the article. At the moment, it is not possible to easily find articles without DEFAULTSORT. The next-best thing is to find an article without the listas paramter, to look at the article, and either add both DEFAULTSORT (to the article) and listas (to the talk page), or copy the DEFAULTSORT to the talk page (but call it listas instead). It should be possible to get a bot to do the copying bit."

Admittedly, this doesn't help much, but please consider helping to answer the simple question, rather than giving up and saying "remove the category". There is also discussion in these talk page archives. The longest is at Template talk:WPBiography/Archive 4#DEFAULTSORT and listas problems. Again, please, please read all of those discussions and try and suggest a way to move forward that isn't just "I don't see the point, let's remove it". There were also discussions over using a bot to help out with all this, but ideally someone will come up with some software tweak that allows us to easily identify those biographical articles lacking DEFAULTSORT. Carcharoth (talk) 09:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's all I wanted and needed to know. If folks say they use it, it's useful. Thanks. --kingboyk (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
As for the second question, that ought to be possible. Have you asked at any of the technical discussion boards or asked the devs? --kingboyk (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Several times. The results were (I think) inconclusive. I'll try and pull together all the discussions. It got a bit spread out in space and time. Carcharoth (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would be very happy if we remove listas. It's focus our effort to track articles that don't have defaultsort and added it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categories populated by this template

About 5 months ago I created Template:WPBiography/Categories. Does anyone know of a way to easily update that list? I did a laborious search for "Category" in the template code and then tidied up the results. Did I miss any? Have any been added or removed? Why are nine of them redlinks? Why are there so many? :-) Carcharoth (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Military got renamed, COTW template got deleted. Not sure about the others. Useful list... could probably write a script to make it automatically.
There's so many because this is a very, very large project :) --kingboyk (talk) 10:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I updated the military ones. The other three got deleted because they were empty, ie. not being used. Carcharoth (talk) 12:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] British Royalty template

Can someone type in the full link -- Wikipedia:WikiProject British Royalty -- instead of just Wikipedia:BROY. It's no big deal, it just makes it easier for those using the popups function. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk 22:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Y Done --CapitalR (talk) 18:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] needs-photo parameter

The needs-photo parameter "populates Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people." Is there a way for it to populate "Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in xxx", where xxx is the particular location? For example, on Talk:Peter Moon (musician), there now are two duplicative requests for photos, but each is needed to populate a particular category: (i) Wikipedia requested photographs of musicians, (ii) Wikipedia requested photographs in Honolulu County, Hawaii. Should we keep things the same or add a parameter to WPBiography, such as |in=xxx|in2=yyy|in3=zzz ... so that the WPBiography photo can populate those categories that fall under Wikipedia:Requested pictures/Places for biography articles? (Additional in2=, in3=, in4=, etc. parameters can be used to specify additional location categories.) Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 16:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Occupation parameter?

I've been working on film editor articles for a while now. It would be helpful if I could make a search on these articles by their quality-rating. I've been working on this by adding an additional "film editor" banner to the talk pages of some articles, but I think a better way to manage this would be to add an "occupation =" parameter to this template, which is already used on most of the film-editor talk pages. Let me know! Easchiff 01:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Use SVG instead of PNG

This template should use Image:Icon_tools.svg instead of Image:Icon_tools.png --Inkwina (talk · contribs) 15:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done --CapitalR (talk) 18:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article importance grading scheme

Why is the Article importance not shown on this template. It's used and documented as used, but not shown Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Priority_scale SunCreator (talk) 12:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Here, there is an answer. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Persondata

{{editprotected}}

I suggest a |needs-persondata= parameter to be added to the template, with some appropriate corresponding visual clue, so that people interested are made aware of the Persondata template and the need of adding it. The visual clue could be a message similar to the one that appears when |needs-infobox=yes, probably appearing inside that very same box, like in this simple paraphrase:

An appropriate '''[[Wikipedia:Persondata{{!}}persondata]]''' may need to be added to this article, or the current persondata may need to be updated. Please refer to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Persondata{{!}}WikiProject Persondata]] for further information.

With an optional empty line separating both texts if both the |needs-infobox= & |needs-persondata= parameters were set to yes.

I know this would lead to a massive creation of new categories, but it might be worth the effort. What do you think?

PS.: I guess this comment (above) also deserves an "editprotected", but its author probably forgot to add it. Gave it a look, okay? :-) -- alexgieg (talk) 21:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Added with its own box for now. Also, it doesn't create any categories as of yet; discuss and make a request once categories have been agreed on. --CapitalR (talk) 18:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much! As for categories, I think we could emulate the way |needs-infobox=yes is handled: it adds the page to the generic Category:Biography articles without infoboxes, and then, for each and every workgroup parameter with an yes, it also adds the page to another category in the form [Category:XYZ work group articles needing infoboxes]. So, my suggestion is the following set of categories:
  • |needs-persondata=yes:
    • Category:Biography articles without persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |filmbio-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Actors and filmmakers work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |a&e-work-group=yes & |musician-work-group= isn't set & |filmbio-work-group= isn't set (this is a special case):
    • Category:Arts and entertainment work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |baronets-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Baronetcies work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |british-royalty=yes:
    • Category:British royalty work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |military-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Military biography work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |musician-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Musicians work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |peerage-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Peerage work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |politician-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Politics and government work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |royalty-work-group=yes & |british-royalty= isn't set (this is a special case):
    • Category:Royalty and nobility work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |s&a-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Science and academia work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |sports-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Sports and games work group articles needing persondatas
  • |needs-persondata=yes & |sports-work-group=yes:
    • Category:Sports and games work group articles needing persondatas
This is the best to provide for the consistent naming of categories. -- alexgieg (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProjectBannerShell

{{editprotected}}

[edit] BLP notice (For WikiProjectBannerShell cross post, see this)

The living=yes parameter in Template:WPBiography posts a BLP notice on the talk page. There probably is more than 100,000 articles tagged with {{WPBiography|living=yes}}. When Template:WPBiography is in WikiProjectBannerShell, the BLP notice is hidden. To overcoome this, some people additionally use {{WikiProjectBannerShell|blp=yes}} Also, some people add {{BLP}} to WikiProjectBannerShell to overcome the hidden BLP problem. See Talk:Eduardo Maruri as an example. While |blp=yes or {{BLP}} may be a solution, they seem redundant to the long used {{WPBiography|living=yes}}. Is it possible to change Template:WPBiography and/or WikiProjectBannerShell so that the BLP notice is not hidden when Template:WPBiography is in WikiProjectBannerShell? Doing so would eliminate a need to use {{WikiProjectBannerShell|blp=yes}} on the 100,000+ articles now using {{WPBiography|living=yes}}. Idealy, the living=yes parameter in Template:WPBiography should cause the BLP notice to appear outside and above WikiProjectBannerShell, if possible. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

(Copied from here by GregManninLB (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)): The last option (adding |living=yes to {{WPBiography}} resulting in the BLP notice displaying outside the banner) is impossible without using a lot of messy javascript. It would be possible to cause the BLP notice to display even when the template was collapsed inside WPBS, but that would still look messy, particularly as the BLP notice is not a WikiProject banner and so should not be shelled with WPBS. The BLP notice does not actually belong inside the banner shell at all. I think that the only effective way of doing this would be to encourage the use of |blp=yes in WPBS as well as |living=yes in WPBiography. Once this system is widespread (by which I mean universal :D we could alter {{WPBiography}} to not display the BLP notice when |nested=yes is also defined (since it would be duplicated by the notice over WPBS) but still add to the relevant categories. Happy‑melon 18:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs-infobox notice

When template:WPBiography is in WikiProjectBannerShell, the needs-infobox notice is not hidden. See Talk:Eduardo Maruri as an example. Is it possible to change template:WPBiography or WikiProjectBannerShell so that the needs-infobox notice is hidden when template:WPBiography is in WikiProjectBannerShell? Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I would second this suggestion, and also request that the needs-photo banner likewise be hidden when inside the WikiProjectBannerShell. — Mudwater (Talk) 03:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
This is going to take some work to figure out the new code and test it. I'll work on it tonight to see what I can do. For now I'm removing the editprotected tag since there's not immediate edits to be made, but if I can't figure this out in the next 24 hours I'll put it back up for another admin to look at. --CapitalR (talk) 20:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, take a look at the last example in {{WPBiography/testcases}} and let me know if that's what you're looking for. --CapitalR (talk) 23:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Looks good to me. — Mudwater (Talk) 02:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
P.S. The non-nested version of the needs-photo banner also has a little paragraph that starts, "Note: Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images..." See for example Talk:Ahmet Zappa. I'm not seeing that in the proposed nested version in {{WPBiography/testcases}}. I don't have a problem with that, but some people might want the paragraph to be included, to remind editors about the strict standards for BLP images. — Mudwater (Talk) 03:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Yup, that still works the same. The extra note only appears if "living=yes", which wasn't set in the testcases. If that flag is set, then it works just as before. I'll make these changes later today. --CapitalR (talk) 14:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Y Done Please let me know if there are other changes you would like to this template or if you would like a different style for the changes I just made. --CapitalR (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, the extra note only appears if "living=yes", that make sense. Yeah, these banner changes seem perfect to me. Thanks! — Mudwater (Talk) 23:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Good job. Thanks for the changes. GregManninLB (talk) 05:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Free image search tool

Template:Reqphoto has added

The Free Image Search Tool (FIST) may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Could this also be added to the photo request section of this template? Thanks - TheMightyQuill (talk) 17:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)