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Please do not delete template tags as you did in the Flannery O'Connor story article. If you disagree with the tags, you may bring it to the article's talk page or my talk page. A reason has already been posted on the article talk page.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand. However, you may wish to move the bulk of the list to the article talk page; that is the recommended procedure for including large lists of potential future reference material. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgagnon999 (talk • contribs)

There is not only a strong precedent for removing lists like that to the article's talk pages, it's also mentioned as the recommended procedure somewhere. . .perhaps in the WP style guide or the WP article on writing good stubs. At the moment, I don't have time to dig it up, as I am on my way out the door, however, I promise that I will as soon as I can. IN the mean time, if you think I'm full of it, please ask for a second opinion on WP:Village Pump. I believe the tag does serve a contructive prupose. If you want the list to be obvious to someone about to edit the article, there are ways of accomplishing this without cluttering up the article itself. I'd be glad to discuss this with you. As for my time here being useful, as you can see, I'm willing to spend time discussing this with you & working with you, so it might be worthwhile to WP:Assume good faith.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

A stub is indeed an article; one that is under development. I agree, there is no point in applying certain tags to stubs when said stub hasn't been expanded into a full article. However, there are circumstances where tags should be applied to stubs. For instance, even stubs should include at least one reference; stubs that do not are frequently enough tagged with a "references needed" tag; in fact, stubs that do not include a reference are sometimes deleted via speedy deletion because they lack one. And there are many other instances, too, where tags apply to stubs, for instance, tags that indicate a skewed POV, tags that indicate possible spam or advertising, and tags that indicate a certain tones that are inappropriate for encyclopedia articles, among many others. I applaud the fact that you've taken the time to include such a comprehensive list for future editors, however, again (and I haven't had the time to dig up the exact guideline quote for you), Wikipedia article pages are not a place to provide exhaustive lists of further reading for potential article expansion--unless you yourself intend to do so in the near future (in which case you would put a "work in progress" template at the top of the article). The point of putting the cleanup tag at the top of the article is exactly as I have described here; it is to point out that the list you had provided (at least in the opinion of this editor, and you are certainly welcome to get a second opinion), was too much, too long, too all-inclusive. We are talking about a single short story by O'Connor, not the entire O'Connor cannon, right? Try not to take it personally. I think what you have now, a shorter, to the point list of the best resources, is probably more useful to future editors than the longer list; this way they don't have to sift through so many possible choices to find the best resources for expanding the article. You are obviously familiar with the story and the lit. criticism attached to it; your expertise in coming up with a short, useful list of fruther reading has been well applied in this newer, reduced version. That said, you could still include the longer list into the talk page for those interested, or even include it in the article via a list of hidden comments visible to those editing the article. Again, I'm trying to be helpful here; I hope you can see where I am coming from.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 18:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

• Looks great. You know, when you place a hidden list into the article, you don't have to mark each line with the <!-- xxxxx --> code; just apply the left hand code bracket to the top of the list and the right hand code bracket to the bottom. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

– – – Just wanted to commend you on creating those nodes for the individual Flannery O'Connor stories. I may pick up where you left off if I get a bit of free time. Owning all of her stories as I do, and studying them in graduate-level English classes, I should probably contribute what I can. Joe (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)