Talk:World of Final Fantasy VIII

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[edit] Where are the Moombas?

Moombas seem to have vanished at some point when Races of Final Fantasy was spliced between various articles and when these articles were edited. We should retrieve the text about them and put it here. Kariteh 17:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Moombas are mentioned in a couple sentences in the Shumi paragraph. — Deckiller 17:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There should be more than that. Moombas appeared in Chocobo Racing for instance. Kariteh 18:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to elaborate on it, but I think you'll find little to work with, other than their appearance in Chocobo Racing. But I'd love for you to prove me wrong :D. --Teggles 07:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Notes

The article is looking pretty good. Since the article is so new, I'd like to let it sit for a while to ensure stability. Here are some notes:

  • The lead paragraph jumps around a little. It says FFVIII is set on a world with a moon, then switches to the financial success of the title, then goes to pre-rendered backgrounds.
  • Check links—I found a link to a dab page. Just going to take your word, I don't want to check every link.
  • The reception section is mostly concerned with graphics. It would be better if the main emphasis was on the design on the world itself. Quotes like "fantasy elements with a high-tech, sci-fi look, a world at once unique and instantly recognizable, familiar but full of surprises" from IGN.
  • Check all images for article-specific fair use rationale. Some have rationale, but are not specific to the article.
Pagrashtak 04:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
There are no longer any disambiguation links. I've also fixed the rationales. (by the way, you were wrong in saying "some" have rationale, but the problem has been taken care of) --Teggles 07:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Added a bit more on the design of the world in the reception section. Reorganized lead. — Deckiller 11:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Looks better. I don't believe I was wrong about the rationale, I seem to remember that I checked some images and found rationale that was not article-specific. It's ok now, though. Pagrashtak 18:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dollet Dukedom

Dollet is a Dukedom according to the FFVIII OST back cover.[1] Shouldn't this be mentioned? Kariteh 09:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] III and VIII Connection

I added a small note to the history section mentioning the possibility that FFIII and FFVIII may be connected. In both games a character appears named Hyne. In FFIII, which happens during a medieval setting, Hyne was a sorceror that terrorised the people and uprooted the Elder Tree. In FFVIII, in a futuristic setting, all the sorcoresses (don't think I spelled that right) are called Hyne's decendants and are are said to have received their power from him. Square has never confirmed or denied that the two are connected in some way, but considering how they have begun connecting games recently (FFX and FFVII, FFT and FFXII) and releasing sequals (FFX-2, FFTA, FFCC:TCB, FFCC:RoF, FFXII:RW, FFXIII, FFXIIVersus, FFXIIIAgito, etc.) there is a very big chance that this may be more than just a coincidence. Either way, I kept it factual and unbiased, presenting only the facts that the possibility does exsist.67.170.180.215 00:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Ralis

[edit] Too many inline citations

I am concerned that the level of inline citations in this article makes it hard to read. I know it does for me. Perhaps reducing some of the excess citations to general references would improve the readability. FrozenPurpleCube 01:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

This article actually has a fairly small amount of inline citations compared to many FAs out there (100+). It's been the trend on Wikipedia (mostly as overcompensation for all the media complaints, methinks). As for not knowing enough about the world, we provide external links to the Final Fantasy Wikia, which provides an in-depth coverage of each location and continent. — Deckiller 12:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about the number of citations in other articles, perhaps those articles have a need for so many citations, perhaps they don't, but I'll give two examples from the Reception and Criticism section:
Multimedia news website IGN stated that the game's pre-rendered backgrounds mix "fantasy elements with a high-tech, sci-fi look, a world at once unique and instantly recognizable, familiar but full of surprises".[7] On the whole, IGN gave the graphics a 10 out of 10 and the presentation a 9 out of 10, stating "absolutely nobody does graphics better than Square, and it's never done a better job than [Final Fantasy VIII]".[7]
GameSpot awarded Final Fantasy VIII a perfect score in the graphics section, stating "while the limitations of the PlayStation hardware rear their ugly head from time to time, the sheer artistry and detail of the movement, the models, and the textures are beyond reproach".[33] GameSpot was also particularly impressed with the backgrounds, noting that "the detail in the backgrounds is frighteningly meticulous, and almost all backgrounds contain some animated elements".[33]
Is there some need to use *two* citations to the same place? And that's not the only case where I see it happening. I'm sorry, but it really is distracting to see so many citations. As for the world itself, that's another issue, which I'm not going to worry about right now since I really don't care to play the games thus I wouldn't have a baseline for which to work to improve it. OTOH, I can judge the appearance of the article, and I remain unconvinced with your justifications. I suggest you go through the article and at least remove the ones like the above. FrozenPurpleCube 07:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Quotes have to be cited, even if they appear back-to-back (WP:CITE). There isn't any real way to expand the in-universe information in this article without going into excessive detail; the history section as it stands already scrapes from the bottom of the barrel, and adding more fair-use images would result in the fair use brigade marching in. — Deckiller 12:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok, first, I'm confused, why are you bringing up things I'm not talking about? I don't recall mentioning anything about images, or saying anything about the history section here. Really, one issue is all I'm trying to address. If I wanted to address other things I would say so here. And while I did say elsewhere that I had concerns about the information quality of the page, I know I haven't said anything about pictures at all.
Back to the concern I am expressing, sure, you used quotations there. I don't think it's really necessary for you to inline cite them twice, but if you do, then perhaps you could just reduce the direct quotations, which would not be a bad thing. I don't feel it is really a good case of prose there. They would look much better rewritten instead of relying on somebody else's words. That may just be my preference though. Besides, I see no direct quotations in:
The planet comprises five landmasses; the largest (Esthar) covers most of the eastern portion of the map.[1] The second largest continent (Galbadia) lies to the west,[1] and contains many of the game's locations. The northernmost landmass is Trabia, an arctic region. Positioned roughly in the middle of the world map lies the smallest continent (Balamb),[1]
or
However, another prominent race is the "Shumi", a small tribe of creatures with yellow skin and large arms.[11] The tribe lives in an underground village on the Trabian continent.[11]
So that explanation doesn't fly there. FrozenPurpleCube 16:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I tend to address several potential issues in advance; issues with the portrayal of the fiction usually lead to discussions about both details and images. Quoting reviews for criticism sections is definitely just a matter of preference. For the other two examples, they can be described as "defensive referencing" to avoid WP:OR. But I'll address it, since nobody else has expressed concern either way. — Deckiller 16:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, as long as you're looking at it in the future, that works for me. FrozenPurpleCube 17:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)