Talk:World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)

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one of the references (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/tripleh/tentimestheking/reign6match/) is now a dead link 72.200.156.118 (talk) 16:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The World Heavyweight Championship that has recently been carried by such greats as Batista and Triple H got its start in WWE back in 2002. But its prestigious lineage can actually be traced back all the way to George Hackenschmidt and 1904. For years, it was known as the NWA Championship; then when WCW pulled out of the NWA in the early 1990s, Ric Flair was recognized as the first-ever WCW Champion. Since that time, top names such as Hulk Hogan, Ron Simmons and Bret Hart carried the championship prior to WCW's demise.

so says the WCW title page now, also under WWE's WHC page, it has "historical photo" of old NWA & WCW champions. looks like it now carries the same lineage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.247.87 (talk) 03:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look at the archives. This has been brought up time and time again and has been clarified just as many times as well. -- bulletproof ^3:16 03:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to rekindle an old discussion. It could very well be nothing than just a slip of the tongue. I just wonder why JR, Jerry Lawler, and Triple H refers to himself as an 11 time WWE Champion. I can understand a slip of the tongue a couple of times, but they keep saying over and over. On last night's edition of Raw, for example, both Lawler and JR said the same thing at least once each. It makes me wonder if they're now going to try to say that those 5 reigns with the World Championship are going to be consolidated with the 6 WWE Championship reigns to call him an 11 time WWE Champion. I might be paranoid, but I think of the times that WWE has rewritten history, regardless of how piss poor and senseless it is, to reflect a certain view for a storyline. Sounds like something that they'd do.Odin's Beard (talk) 23:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Triple H is in fact now a 12 time World Champion. 7 times with the WWE Championship and 5 times with the World Heavyweight. They are equivalent in prestige and so the title reigns are added together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.208.18 (talk) 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stripped

I was just at the show in Atlantic City tonight, and Vickie stripped Taker of the belt. Do we update this now or when it airs? Linknumbers (talk) 03:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No, until it airs in Australia. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

So it actually happened? So much for that much-deserved long-term reign everyone thought he would get. But ThinkBlue is right, we have to wait until it airs. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, we wait until it airs in America tomorrow night, not Australia.Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

No, consensus was made that it was Australia. SexySeaShark 16:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Correct, Australia is where it airs first, so thats when we're allowed to post it up, I understand.--76.104.252.229 (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Not being allowed to update this page until Smackdown airs somewhere is all bollocks. This is an encyclopedia, it's job is to report fact. And the fact is that Undertaker is no longer World Heavyweight Champion. Doesn't matter when it airs, fact is fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.208.18 (talk) 22:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

But fact must be backed up by a reliable source to be established as fact! By your logic, I could come up with a convincing untrue statement and edit it in without a source. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Then use a reliable source. There are many websites out there that provide the reliable source so we can update this page. www.gerweck.net and www.wrestlingrevealed.com will both confirm that Vicki Guerrero stripped the Undertaker of the World Title. There's your reliable source now can someone please update this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.184.35 (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Both of those sources are NOT reliable per, WP:RS. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait, why Australia? WWE is an American company. And posting it before airs in America would violate the spoiler policy, because the results wouldn't be up on WWE.com.Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no spoiler policy. That was abolished months ago! Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Holy shit, I'm way out of the loop. But wouldn't that mean I could use a spoiler report off of lordsofpain.net? Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, since lordsofpain isn't a reliable source. A match can be added with a reliable source even i it is a spoiler. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

How is it not reliable? Unless the person reporting is lying, I don't get it.Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Dirtsheets are not reliable sources. WON and WWE.com are reliable. Pretty much anything else isn't. In other words, you can't remove something because it's a spoiler, but you can remove it because there's no RS. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

What is with all of this fannying around. Will someone who has access to this page please update it? The fact is that Undertaker is no longer World Champion and you are mocking the idea of an encyclopedia. We allno the truth, we know it's not a lie and of course dirtsheets are reliable sources. Now will you all pull your head out of your arses and get on with it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DannyChaos23 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, dirtsheets, are not reliable sources, per WP:PW and WP:RS. If you wish to present reasoning that dirtsheets ARE reliable sources, feel free to start a discussion here. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I still remember back in 1999 when several of these dirtsheets claimed that Jake The Snake Roberts returned to WWE and joined Undertaker's ministry by attacking Austin and Big Show on a taped episode of RAW. Turned out to be total bullocks. That is one example why dirtsheets are not to be taken as reliable sources, they tend to spread lies sometimes. 71.121.72.15 (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's also remember back in 1990 when The Rockers beat the Hart Foundation for the World Tag Team Titles during a taping of Saturday Night's Main Event. That match ended up being left off of the broadcast, and the title change was never acknowledged. In my opinion, title changes shouldn't be added to Wikipedia until they air on television. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.146.137 (talk) 07:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)