Talk:World's Columbian Exposition
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[edit] World??
I thought it was the World's Columbian Exposition.
- World's is correct. See http://columbus.gl.iit.edu/ I seriously doubt they've got it wrong. Pinktopaz
- The contemporary literature and the souvenirs of the fair itself say "World's". Currently "World's" redirects to "World". Presumably, it should be the other way around. Any volunteers? Wahkeenah 21:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. I'll request a page switch and I'll help go through the links after the switch is made. Many pages already link to the correct name. -- DS1953 22:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- If I read correctly, since the redirect page did not have anything in the discussion page, a simple "move" was all that was required and unless I am truly confused (I am a newbie after all) I was able to make the change. There appear to be hundreds of pages that already linked to the correct name and the old name now redirects to the new one so presumeably anything that linked to it is working still. Pinktopaz 22:48, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pabst was blue ribbon before 1893
In the section of the article "Famous firsts at the fair" I deleted Pabst Blue Ribbon because it wasn't really a "first." Pabst had won awards at earlier World's Fairs and had been using blue ribbons on the bottle since 1882.
A source for the first use of blue ribbons on the bottle is http://www.pabstblueribbon.com/history.htm
[edit] HH Holmes
I'm surprised this article doesn't mention the fact that HH Holmes (AKA Herman Mudgett) was seeking victims at this fair. It is unknown how many people that attended the fair were killed by him, but it was enough that it should warrant a mention.
[edit] Better Photo
Does anybody feel up to obtaining the photo on this page: http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/images/ColumbianExpo.jpg for use it the article? It looks like it is in the public domain. Explanatory caption is here: http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/pavedbeach4.html Speciate 00:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- I have several books a photos from the event, from 1893, so might be able to come up with something similar. By the way, don't forget to sign your posting 'cause I'm much more likely to respond to a user. Carptrash 01:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Skyscrapers?
I was under the impression that the fair had skyscapers... I'm not sure though.
- The only "skyscraper" at the fair was the Ferris Wheel. Wahkeenah 04:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
Support merging the unique info in Chicago Columbian Exposition (if any) into this article and removing that article, which uses an alternate and unofficial title for the fair. The Chicago Columbian Exposition article also contains misinformation, such as stating that the Ferris Wheel was part of the White City — it was actually on the Midway Plaisance, not part of the fair proper; and the White City was really just the area surrounding the Court of Honor, since the rest of the fair was much more polychromatic. Kevin Forsyth 17:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Support merging the article per Kevin Forsyth. ChicagoPimp 17:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Support merging with this as the destination page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Support merging, very little of value in this article, but Chicago Columbian Exposition is the proper name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tobyfee (talk • contribs) 20:21, May 1, 2007 (UTC).
Support merging both articles into this one. The World's Columbian Exposition was a tremedously important cultural event for Chicago, and probably the most influential World's Fair ever held in The United States. I'm surprised this isn't already a much longer article. Whyaduck 23:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Support and keep in mind that the official title was World's Columbian Exposition, not "Chicago Columbian Exposition" nor "Chicago World's Fair". Those were informal names or colloquialisms. Wahkeenah 00:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Support. Be bold and go ahead now. I'm sure you won't get any complaints. -- DS1953 talk 02:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Support I concur with all of the above comments.Internazionale 21:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Court of Honor
I corrected and completed the list of Court of Honor ("White City") buildings. The Women's Building was on the Lagoon, and the Ferris Wheel was in the Midway, so I removed both from the bullet list of Court of Honor buildings. Kevin Forsyth 17:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Issue of Racism
How come there's no mentioning of the fact that no Af-Americans were allowed to set up exhibitions at the fair? Can someone please not ignore this undeniable part of history?
- Absolutely correct - this was a major issue at the time for African Americans. Of equal importance was the fact that women were all but excluded from the "White City" (a name that also has clear racial connotations, in addition to the meanings discussed in the article) as their exhibits were confined to the "Women's Building" on the edge of the "city."
- Historians have discussed the 1893 fair extensively - in fact it's almost a cliche to talk about it in works dealing with the late 19th century. It has been discussed as a critical window on American attitudes toward race, gender, civilization, and imperialism in the late 1800s. The failure to discuss the race and gender issues represents an egregious omission, and in general this article should incorporate much more of (indeed it should be based largely upon) the historical scholarship. I might try to add some stuff (the first chapter of Gail Bederman's Manliness and Civilization is not a bad place to start and I have it handy), but this is definitely something we need to work on. The Chicago World's Fair was considerably more interesting than is portrayed in this article.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 08:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Change picture caption - Daniel Chester French's Republic (replica)
Does anyone object to changing the caption on the first picture? It makes it sound like there was an exposition in Chicago in 2004 (that is the year the photograph was taken). The replica pictured here was dedicated in 1918. I will drop a note to the photographer about adding more info about the replica to the photo's description page.
Current caption: One-third scale replica of Daniel Chester French's Republic, which stood in the great basin at the exposition, Chicago, 2004
Change to: One-third scale replica of Daniel Chester French's Republic. The original stood in the great basin at the World's Columbian Exposition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerwiki (talk • contribs) 04:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Surviving buildings?
Besides the Museum of Science and Industry, what buildings survive? There needs to be boldface wording for this -- I mean, it needs its own paragraph. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 13:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
It is erroneous that only one building survives. Two others are the "Dutch House" now located in Brookline, MA, and Maine's exposition pavilion, known as the "State of Maine" building, now located in Poland Springs, ME.
On the former, here is a web source http://www.town.brookline.ma.us/Planning/Zoning/update-novdec2002.pdf One of the three remaining buildings of the 1893 Chicago World’s Columbian Exposition is in Brookline, MA. Known as the "Dutch House", the unique building stands facing the Riverway brought to Brookline by Captain Charles Brooks Appleton in 1894. The original building stood in Jackson Park and was a copy of the brick Town Hall of [sic] Franker in Holland built in 1591. The present building is forty feet square and was designed by M. Guillaume Wyuen and constructed in Holland and Belgium before being erected in Chicago. It was the building which represented the Van Houten Cocoa Company and was one of the few private buildings to win a medal. The doors and carved panels came from Hindeloopen, while the front doorway is an adaptation of one of the orphanage door at Enkhuizen. Appleton became so captivated with eh structure, he purchased it at auction and had it dismantled and shipped to Boston. The firm of Kingsbury & Richardson designed its reconstruction which included new Portland cement on the exterior. The house contains over 1000 square feet of leaded green glass. Appleton wished the house to be a haven for artists; it was long the home of Leo O’Donnell, an artist, book designer and professor at Massachusetts School of Art.
Contact Information: Greer Hardwicke, Preservation Planner; Telephone: 730-2617 or greer_hardwicke@town.brookline.ma.us Roger Reed, Preservation Planner; Telephone 730-2089 or roger_reed@town.brookline.ma.us
For an image of the Franeker stadhuis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Franeker_stadhuis_03c.JPG
For an image of the Brookline, MA "Dutch House" http://www.town.brookline.ma.us/TownInformation/BrooklinePhotos/78.htm
On the later, here are two web sources:
[1] http://www.framingham.com/collecting/polandspring.htm While in Chicago, Hiram Weston Ricker bought Maine's exposition pavilion, known as the "State of Maine" building. He had it dismantled by Maine workers and shipped back to the resort. Reassembled, it opened with great pomp and celebration in 1895 and served as a library and art museum for guests. It's one of two Columbia Exposition pavilions still in existence.After the Turn of the Century, the automobile made travel easier and society's tastes and habits changed. The resort began a decline although it retained some allure for the famous, such as John Barrymore, Gene Tunney, and Babe Ruth, who used the resort to escape the public eye, train, and golf.
[2] http://maine.gov/local/androscoggin/poland/ Also on this site (Poland Springs, ME) is the Maine State Building which was built to represent the state at the Chicago World's Fair, known as the Columbian Exposition, in 1893. The building was disassembled, shipped back to Maine, and then reconstructed on its current site. It now serves as an art museum for the public sponsored by the Poland Spring Preservation Society. 151.203.5.19 (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC) 151.203.5.19 (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
