Talk:Workers Leaving the Lumière Factory

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I removed the following text. I could see some speculation on Blogs but some of the points seem like original research to me. If anyone has citations for them feel free to re-add.

The film is widely cited as the first documentary film, an honor debunked by modern film scholars who suggest that several "takes" may have been filmed on the same day.

Arguments against the "documentary" honor include:

• Judging from the shadows, the sun is directly overhead. It is roughly noon; an early day?
• Are those really their work clothes, or did they purposely dress up, knowing that they would have their pictures taken?
• The workers on the left exit to the right, and vice versa (this suggests they were given direction -- not a "documentary" practice).
• No one walks toward the camera.
• A dog and bicyclist appear at the same time, from different parts of the frame.
• A carriage drawn by two horses is the grand finale, which would be unusual to find in the factory.--Amxitsa 16:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

COMMENT by 1904.CC: I agree with this removal. Arguments for the "documentary" tag: The film was screened for the first time in Paris, on March 22nd 1895, to an audience of 200 people at the "Société d'encouragement pour l'industrie nationale". This screening was part of a conference about the Photography Industry, the ongoing research in the field of color photography, and the technology used at the Lumière factory. In addition to color (still) photographs showing the ateliers of the Lumière factory in Lyon, Louis Lumière screened the one minute film as an "extra". To his surprise, the moving images retained much more attention than the color photographs... (my source: Bernard Chardère, Les Lumière, 1985, pp.67-73).

About the horse carriage in the film: there isn't anything unusual, it's simply the factory owners leaving for lunch. (Chardère, p.73: "les patrons sortant en voiture pour aller prendre leur repas", comment of a 1895 viewer).

About the shadows: the film was shot at noon (lunch break) since this prototype camera needed bright sunlight. (Chardère, p.70)--1904.CC 23:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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I'm replacing the following with some hard facts from a non-internet source:

According to the Internet Movie Database the film was made in a 35 mm format with an aspect ratio of 1.33 : 1. [cite web |url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0000010/technical |title=Internet Movie Database Technical Specifications |accessdate=2007-03-18 |format= HTML] 1904.CC 01:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)