Talk:Women's College, University of Queensland

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Has someone independent of the Women's College, University of Queensland identified that it was the first college in Qld to admit women?

C'mon, I'm sure you're academics - you should be able to cite your material easily!Garrie 06:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a little difficult to corroborate it without some logic, though I am sure I can break it down here: The current co-educational colleges either were male only at the time of The Women's College's inception (Emmanuel until 1973, St Johns until 1990) or did not exist until much later (Cromwell 1950, IH 1965, Union 1964). The other two female-only colleges Grace (est 1970) and Duchesne (est 1937) didn't come until later. Duchesne wasn't based at the university until some time after its inception and would have been The Women's College's nearest competitor for female-only residence. Hope this helps clear this up. Bilious 12:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I would have thought that at least the UAC accomodation guide could be used as a reference to onsite accomodation at any university in Australia. Surely there is at least one reference for this material somewhere?

I'm happy to drop an unreferenced tag on it if there aren't any references forthcoming.22:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

UAC's Queensland equivalent QTAC doesn't seem to release an accommodation guide. It does list some information about the ten colleges in its UQ page, but this obviously is not a history lesson. This said, I am not sure why external validation of the fact is required, many such examples of an organisation's own history being used as reference exist, eg University of Oxford. Also, as I've previously said, a very small amount of information gathering, it's pretty obvious the college was the first accommodation for females. I'm puzzled by the contestation of this. I made you a graphic to better explain the progression. (All information used is sourced from the respective websites of the colleges.) I really haven't given you any more material, but really, what are you looking for? Bilious 01:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

What I'm really after is some verified assertion of notability. Being the first accomodation college at a (given) university to offer accommodation to women isn't in itself notable. But if you can reference that statement then you are half way to completing the primary inclusion criteria of multiple, independent sources regarding the subject.

Please stay away from other articles are the same when people ask for this kind of improvementchange _{(your opinion might be different to mine I guess).}

References don't have to be online. The just have to be published and withstand reasonable scruitany as being independent of the subject and reliable.Garrie 04:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way:University of Oxford#References has plenty of entries that haven't originated from that University. Once it has two to establish notability it can have all the primary sources it needs to verify facts that nobody else could be bothered talking about (so why are we?).Garrie 04:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

this is what I am going on about. Garrie 04:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)