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[edit] Lakomelza

Hi Til Eulenspiegel: do have a source for that name? And which specific area/region does it refer to? Greetings Driss (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the only sources I have seen for that information are in Amharic; presumably it refers to the original (pre-1942) Wollo. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, for your quick answer. But being in Amharic doesn't disqualify for being referred to. I stayed quite a lot of time in Wollo and never heard that name. But this doesn't mean a lot because Wollo contains a lot of sub-regions and I stayed mainly in the southern part. So, I really would like to know more about that word. Driss (talk) 21:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I did find something online that suggested "Lakomelza" refers to the Dessie area, but I guess it's really not a reliable source... so if it sounds dubious, go ahead and remove it. I do happen to have an Amharic book on the History of Wollo by Getachew Mekonnen Hassen (Wollo: Ye'ager Dibab), but I have been unable to find that name anywhere in it. On the contrary, Hassen says on page 12 that the older name of Wollo was "Bete-Amhara", but that owing to the influx of Oromo beginning in Susenyos' reign (1599-1624), it was renamed to "Wollo", and that later on, the Amhara and Oromo became so completely intermixed that no one could separate them or tell them apart. He also quotes an author named "Aba Bahriy" as saying that "Wollo" was the son of "Kereyu" and grandson of "Bereytuma", and furthermore that the children of this "Wollo" were Buko, Woregura'a, Woreya'ilu, Worekereyu, Wore'ilu (Woreylu), Wore Yale'alu. Does that help? Regards, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of "Lakomelza," but I can tell you that the bulk of Wollo (post 1942) was made up of the Amhara province ("Bete-Amhara") delineated by the Walaqa River on the south and some other river whose name I can't remember on the North. The "Aba Bahriy" he refers is the Abba Bahrey. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 22:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

@Til Eulenspiegel: Thank you, yes, that will help me. Can you tell me when this book did appear? In case it is a recent publication I would like to buy it. Concerning the different Oromo lineages or clans it si interesting that Kereyu is mentioned as there are no Kereyu (any more?) in Wollo today, but in eastern Yifat and in the southern Awash region. But there are a many more Oromo lineage names especially in southern Wollo. So it would be a good idea to connect that book with further research in that area (which I hopefully will be able to do in the next years). So thank you again.

@Yom: i just want to add that the southern border between Shoa and Wollo in the southeast was (according to local sources) delimited by the Jarra river. Driss (talk) 23:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kereyu is the name of the clan, though. It's still part of the Wollo clan, but being nomadic, Kereyu pastoralists have expanded where there's space - to the east. Check out "Islam in Nineteenth-Century Wallo, Ethiopia: Revival, Reform, and Reaction" Hussein Ahmed if you want more info on the Wollo groups and histories. It's available on Google Books. Also, I think that northern river is the Bashilo River which, along with the Walaqa, delineate the northern and southern borders of Amhara Sayint. Its western border is the Abbay River. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 00:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

There are two groups of Kereyu and only the northern one is living on the edge of southern Wollo. The Jille Oromo which live to the north of the northern Kereyu travel to the plains of Kemise every winter and return when the rainy season begins. But the movement is a south-north-south movement not a west-east-movement. In fact the highlands of northern Shoa make such movements almost impossible. I have also read the book of Hussein Ahmed and in addition almost all of his articles. I will check it later but I don't remember that he went very musch into the details of Oromo history of Wollo. Concerning the rivers the Jarra is a tributary of the Awash. So it is further to the east of the areas you are referring to. Driss (talk) 00:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding "Wollo: Ye'ager dibab", the copyright date says the book was published Megabit 1984 (ie March 1992); my copy was given to me in Addis Ababa by a friend in December 1992. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try to find it in Addis. Driss (talk) 00:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)