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To-do list for Winx Club: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Apply a standard layout to season articles. Additionally, season articles and character articles need to re-edited to an encyclopedic tone and format.
  • Apply a TV program template to current Winx Club article. Fill in the TV program template.
  • Apply the {{winx club character}} template to character biographies. - Do we want to use a pared-down version for the minor characters as well?
  • Find and apply "References" to as much of the content possible. See WP:CITE.

Hey, I have the first batch of English titles for "Winx Club". I needs to be formatted, if you please. User:NoseNuggets 08:25 PM EDT 05/26/05.


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[edit] Distinguishing first and second season premises

I would like if I get help, or at the least a "OK" from the major contributors of the article, to rewrite the article into two distinct catagories to properly explain the first and second seasons. It is my opinion that article is messy, with overlapping information/spoilers and US/italian conversions making it worse.--Kevin586 19:31, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

I ahppen to like to piolers. Just put a Spoliers warnning on there and let people decide for themselves. THe article isnt that messy. THe only part that needs cleaning is the TRIX (69.150.74.114 21:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC))

[edit] The person who is Queen of Domino. Mariam? Marian?

Which name is correct?

I never saw the original edition (I only saw the 4KIDS TV edition, so I think it's Mariam. or Miriam. Or... well. it's the M at the end. But I'm not really sure. --Addict 2006 17:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tecna: is she really Cyborg?

I heard about this reference several times but I never seen any actual evidence that she is infused with any cyberneticss. Can someone point me to any Winx Club comic or animated series episode that assert she is half-machine?--Kevin586 19:10, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

It was never established in the tv show that Tenca was half-cyborg. That was a fan fiction idea two years ago that took off as the biggest rumor on the internet for Winx Club. Some would argue she is because her Winx comes from technology, as evidenced in season 2 when she took control of a Red Fountain ship, but it has never officially been mentioned she is.

In the booklet that came with the 1st two DVDs released in Australia it says in the section about Tecna "Others: She is half android".

In one episode when Tecna cries she says "I didn't know I could cry" which could mean shes a cyborg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.82.192 (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diffrent versions

Does the Italian vs. English diffrences belong here? The series is broadcasted in other languages, where there are yet other names for places etc.

Considering that winx club is produced by a Italian Animation company, I believe mentioning the Italian/English differences would be a sign of respect the originators of this animated series. Should the Winx Club article ever be expanded to include dicrepancies from some other language, then we should encourage authors to re-create the article under the various other languages that Wikipedia offers--Kevin586 14:49, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The word : Winx

In my opinion, Winx is the compound word of Minx and Wink 성혀니

It's a neologistic transformation of "wings"... --Neigel von Teighen 21:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Icy, Storm, and Darcy merge request

Should the content the Icy, Stormy, and Darcy be integerated in the primary Winx club article? list your vote supporting or opposing with optional explaination.

  • Merge - I am all for them. Please merge the Icy and Darcy article into this one.--Caesius 17:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
  • yes. please merge. way too much information as it is. Kerowyn 09:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Since when is it wrong to have character profiles along with short ones on the series page?
  • how about merge to "The Senior Witches"? - Malkinann 12:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Editing

for the edits section why are people promoting their own sites and agendas?

[edit] Does anyone care that the arcticle

Hey the article is already over the limit size of 32kb, right? So why no one has see it and do something about it. Dial-Up user has a hard time to load this page

[edit] W.I.T.C.H.

While I don't know about either of these shows, several people I know have commented on strong similarities between Winx and W.I.T.C.H. Which came first? Are the similarities really notable? 24.62.27.66 14:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

witch came first into to the scene with its comic which was publish at April 2001 but the animated series air on December 2004. It is not a doubt the creator of winx copy some elements from witch. its not strange that both witch and winx because they are originate from Italy. Example of similiarites are both of them have 5 main characters on season 1. All the girls have unique powers not all them them have same powers. In Season 1 of WinX Club and Witch for some reason that one of the character in both of the shows are bought to Earth because they birth place was not suitable for them to grow up and they were never told about it until in the mid of the series. 60.52.46.202 10:47, 4 July 2006

Well they did come ut about the same time but Winx club came first. C.A.T


-Totally wrong, Witch came first(Comic) and many source say that Winx Club is a stereotype of Witch. 12:57, 28 November 2006-

W.I.T.C.H.'s comic debuted in 2001 in Italy. Two years later, the animated series Winx Club's debuted on Italian television in 2003. Near the end of 2004, W.I.T.C.H.'s animated program debuted. Winx Club takes elements from W.I.T.C.H. and Harry Potter (both very popular in Europe) and molds them into it's own show. Here's some information about it, but it's in Italian [1], but it's in Italian. --Amibite 18:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

And when did the WinX Club comic version start? It has been published for a few years here in Sweden. (Stefan2 12:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Third season

On other Winx Club websites I saw that there will be third season of Winx Club with 2 new Winx girls. I really couldn't understand when it was going to air because they spoke spanish. ---These are bad rumors that have been copied from site to site all summer long.

The Third season has been announced on 4kids TV, but there isn't any info on the 2 new Winx girls yet. User:Coconutfred73

There are a couple of preview pics on winxclub.com, currently showing Bloom and Flora in 'enchantrix' mode and a new villian celled Baltor. [[2]] Nisa Tunesque 10:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting the sections into seprate articles

the sections that are long shoud be placed in their own articles, then the Winx Club others article could be re-merged into the main article. --Cartoonborg 22:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

To that mind, I'm suggesting a 'List of minor Winx Club characters', like the List of minor Sailor Moon characters. Hopefully people will like the idea. - Malkinann 11:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The July 2006 Merge Discussion

The question before us is simple as it difficult: should the major editors merge Winx Club and Winx Club Others? List Oppose or support with an explaination, if you like.

Support if certain conditions are met - The current Winx Club article is serious need of pruning and editing to accomidate the possible merge. First and formost, the current winx club article should be abot the television program as opposed to its current "universe"-like definition. What I suggest is eliminating most of the character entries of characters who only appeared once and/or do not contribute the major story of the series. The "monsters" section should also eliminated.--Kenn Caesius 20:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


SUPPORT The article were split for some reason related to the legnth of the complete article. Therefore the minor charachers could be put in one article with the title "minor characers in winx club" Also the sections could be moved in to seprate articles as I sugested aboue. --Cartoonborg 17:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


SUPPORT Here's a little suggestion - why not have shorter introductory paragraphs linking to seperate main articles for the major characters, including pictures, character bios, list of magical abiites etc? That way a bit of space could be saved on the main page AND the characters could be covered in more detail. Nisa Tunesque 08:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The way the article is being edited, we may just have to go that route. I have completed linking the main protagonist to thier unique article and I have to say it probably would be best. I hope that future editors (if I do not get to it first) will shorten the current entries in the main article and/or complete the suggested merge. In the next few days, I hope to start addding those superhero templates to each of the winx club characters.--Kenn Caesius 21:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan to me. Just gald somw work is being done on the articles.Cartoonborg 17:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standards across different versions

Having worked the article for Bloom for the past few days, I have about a situation that all editors should consider: How to adress the discrepancies across the different versions of the winx club. Doing some quick reseach for the bloom article, bloom has about three different birthdays and the spelling of her homeplanet different. There is no doubt that as the editing continues we will continue to find more. To address in the artcle this, I would recommend the following

Citing the controversy of the editing and censoring done by 4kids Entertainment in the north american version of the winx club, I do not consider it accurate an source or representation of the original italian version. In the bloom article I have been creating, I retrieved most the information and spelling from wwww.winxclub.com and not www.winxclub.tv, a 4kids entertainment website. The .com is supported by the production company that created the series.

With this in mind, I would suggest that future editors try to verify the appropriate information against the .com website. Please keep any questions or comments in this discussion page.--Kenn Caesius 17:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


The article should include the information from all version of the show and compare and contrast the different versions. Cartoonborg 17:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Naturally, if I can ever find the time to update the biograhapy of Bloom, I plan to add a subsection explaining the discrepancies between the original Italian version, the 4Kids version, the Cartoon network version, and whatever popular and edited version fans have noted.--Kenn Caesius 05:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should the Wikipedia mention that "Winx Club" is a popular search term used to find hentai and anime?

I'd uh, kind of like a list of free sites....

I don't know about that. I would never try that. Although I just did on Google but didn't look into the results more. --Addict 2006 15:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
More specifically, I just searched for Winx Club. Just curiosity matters. --Addict 2006 15:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 1 Recaps, at your Service!

Hi! My name's K-9 LVR, I'm a big fan of Winx Club, and I've decided to set up some recaps for the episodes! It's really fun, but Season 1 is also kind of hard, because it's been a while, and I'm going from memory. Anyone can chip in if they want to, and they know I've missed something; I won't mind! -- K-9 LVR 00:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I'm not sure how to get recaps for Grounded, Junior League, or Fire and Ice, because those link to completely different websites! Can I get some help on that?

Its quite a ambitious project you have decided to undertake however I am not at all sure about spending the time and effort in creating individual episode articles in light the of the current problems with the main winx club article.

On the subject of how to best list the episodes of the winx club, for the time being I would suggest a listing like the List of South Park episodes but without the links to every episode: there are just not enough editors knowledgeable or dedicated enough to create and maintain them (yet). As always, if anyone thinks they have a better idea, we should have discussion and vote on it.--Kenn Caesius 19:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with "spending the time and effort" because I personally don't know what the current problems are; I've only just started looking at this discussion page. As for the List of South Park episodes thing, I'm not sure I can accomplish that; I don't know how. If you can show me, I'd appreciate it. -- K-9 LVR 20:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, don't. I'm going to continue on like I chose to start. -- K-9 LVR 21:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] October 2006 Article organization discussion

I was going to bring this up this weekend but in light of Malkinann edits and suggestions, now is the time dicuss such matters before anymore major changes occur.

First off, I would like like say that I really like the direction that malkinann is taking this article and in support of her suggestions to create the new article List of minor Winx Club characters.

However, this is only the beginning. As I was about to purpose this weekend, this article in need of more splits because the article has become too long, very unorganized, and the ubiquitous "Places, Location, and Characters" is doing more than it should. To adress this, I would like to suggest following article names:

List of minor Winx Club locations

List of Winx Club beastiary

Within the main article itself, I feel that less is more and suggest consolidating characters into simpler subcatagories such as this proposed outline:

Main Characters

Heroines
Villains

Supporting Characters

Pixies
Specialists

Broadacasting

Controversy

Other media

General merchanidise
Video games
Feature-Length movie?

Ultimately, talk is cheap. I would like to hear from other editors regarding how to proceded with this article.--Kenn Caesius 19:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) I swear I was going to wait a week before doing anything else major.. ;) I'm sort of modelling my changes here on what WP:SM is doing with the Sailor Moon articles. So, I'd think that we'd have in the main page as far as characters go:
Major protagonists (The Winx) (one sentence or so for each girl)
Major antagonists (The Trix) (ditto)
In the main article, we could have a 'see also the list of minor characters', and linking to the specific pixies'/romantic interests' sections as needed. That minor characters list could also perhaps be split further, but once we've split it off the main Winx Club article, it'll be easier to work with from there.
Perhaps create a new article: "The Trix (Winx Club)" which contains the Darcy and Icy articles, as well as the Stormy information? They can always be split if they get too big.)
Maybe rather than List of Winx Club beastiary, we should make a List of minor Winx Club antagonists? This would include the beasts, as well as any, well, minor antagonists. A list of locations could be considered 'a list for the sake of being listy', but if you think you could expand the descriptions of the places enough that it wouldn't be so (when we've split off the list of locations, ofc), then that's good!  :)
As for the controversies relating to the Winx Club, Sailor Moon (English versions) is the Sailor Moon article where we complain about the dub ;) - these controversies that you refer to are similar? Hopefully once we split out the character info, we can begin to see what we're doing. - Malkinann 00:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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I must say that the WP:SM has several ideas that we should apply to the Winx article. The efforts and comprehensiveness of the List of minor Sailor Moon characters is simply impressive. I hope that we and other future editors can do the same thing for this article. As for actually applying it, I would like to see both specialists and pixies mentioned in the main article with a link like "main|List of minor Winx club characters".
I am in support of your The Trix (Winx Club) article. I must comment that I swear that Stormy had her own article, perhaps it was deleted or I was just mistaken.
The contraversies surrounding the winx club are much like any dub: there is a fanbase that takes umbrage to the "sloppy" translation, condense editing, and censoring. I am bit unsure of about the claims of translation and censoring, but there is evidence that this animated series has been edited to appeal to a younger audience.
As a rebuttal, I would perfer a List of Winx Club beastiary as a future-proof general list of animals that may be featured or mentioned as the series progresses. A suggested list for "minor antagonists" would encourage a article or listing of "minor protagonists" list or article. Could not all this be listed as part of the "List of minor Winx Club chraracters"?
I know that it will take some effort but my suggestion would allow for expansion: In the main article, major areas such as the realm of Magix, Alfea, Cloud Tower, and Red Fountain would be detailed with a main article redirect to the list of minor locations like Gardenia, Downland, Solaria, and Darkars realm (which I forget the name of).
Finally, when I consider and review the amount of information that is about to be sorted through, I wonder if there are entries that we just do without. One example that comes to mind the list of monsters, many of which only appeared once in the series. The same is true for the list of "lesser known fairies in Alfea". I could think of more entries in the main article that could be "pruned" without effecting the subject of a animated series. With the shuffling and pruning in mind, perhaps we could discuss what goes where and what does not need to go anywhere.--Kenn Caesius 17:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've been bold, and gotten rid of most of the character information from the main article and created the minor characters list. Once the List of minor Winx Club characters is cleaned up a little, maybe we could consider spinning out The Specialists and the Pixies into their own articles, like The Specialists (Winx Club) and Pixies (Winx Club)? I didn't want to link to any Specialists or Pixies just atm, because of this possibility. I'd agree that some of the *very* minor fairies perhaps don't need wiki space, but I'd rather leave that to someone else's judgement. On the bright side, both the new list and the main article are under the long-page limit!  :)

If you're not sure if the monsters of the day are notable, then maybe they should go in episode summaries/articles? What I was thinking of doing with the Winx Club Other article was merging in the merchandise and links to the main page, and then renaming the page Winx Club (English versions), or Winx Club (controversy), and then we can use that article to complain about the dubs' editing etc. as well as the inevitable-seeming accusations of witchcraft. - Malkinann 00:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The main entry is really starting to take shape and is off to a good start.
As for you suggestion that the specialist and Pixies have thier own artcles, I have oppose such a drastic action. They should remain the minor character unless more of their biography is explored. Speaking of suggested article names, I would also have to oppose any renaming of the current winx club article. I am not sure just how knowlegable you are of the winx club animated series but the edits are ultimately neglible: in whatever version, is still oblivious possesor of the dragonfire, falls in love with sky, and saves the world.
I have discussed the matter somewhat in in the talk entry "Standards across different versions" and I would like to remind you of what wikipedia is not. Unless, editors are willing spend time finding references to merit different articles for the 4Kids and original italian representation, the article should be named as is. As I envisioned it, there should be a small "controversy" section mentioning that the winx club has been edited with links to the 4kids entertainment controversy section and external links to evidence of such claims. Perhaps after we have cleaned up the main article, we should start episode summaries and in those summaries there should be a section for the differences across those versions.
I have commented on the priority and suggestion of the episode listing in the "Season 1 recaps, at your services". Merging the monster content to episode summaries is an excellent idea.--Kenn Caesius 04:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
After some consideration, I have decided to cede support for list of minor Winx Club locations and instead suggest that such location information be transfered in the following matter:
  • Information regarding "home planets" should be moved to character biographies.
  • Information regarding "notable locations" should be integrated with the respective season synopsis.
Additionaly, will wil add "Realm of Magix" subsection to the main article and discribe the three main schools where the main and minor reside.--Kenn Caesius 17:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I have begun one edit of a series to end the revamp of the current article. As I have elminated the "other locations", the next which I will remove the "monsters" section in the next few days unless someone objects in these talk pages. Content from the "origins" section will be moved to character entries soon after.--Kenn Caesius 19:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] October 2006 article organization discussion - aftermath

It has been a incredible week of shuffling, editing, and moving content now I would like to ask all those that have contributed: Do you like the main winx club article as it is?

Far be it for me to say we are finished but with the article refitted and finally allowed to expand, what more can be added and changed (apart from the "realm of magix" section and the feature film section) that cannot be integrate with the with the "season", "minor characters", and character biography articles? There is additional work to be done in those articles but now we have finally have space and direction to get it right.--Kenn Caesius 16:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks a lot better than it was. We need to think about what we're going to do with the rest of the Winx Club Others article, and get a proper logo up in the TV box. Was the only section that was deleted outright the "Monsters" section? - Malkinann 02:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I am going to work on getting a proper winx club title screenshot and I pretty sure I can get one in about three days.
As for the content from "Winx Club Others", I suppose that it can all outright be deleted: Its subsections "Differences" and "North American voice actors" is slowly being added the character biographies and "Extras for the fans" I do not think belong anywhere.
You are correct, I removed all the "monster" content. Per your suggestion, monsters should be merged into the respective season overview or episode summaries if we can.--Kenn Caesius 03:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Just checking that the Monsters section was all that ended up deleted.  :) I think we've done good! - Malkinann 04:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions to "Criticism" section

I have removed one hopeless entry because I could not rewrite to make any sense have editted the rest so that they would. However, I seriously considering deleting them soon: me reason for doing so is most the "edits" mentioned are neglible and would perhaps fall under the catagory of localization, which simply cannot be helped in international releases

The other reason I will considering removing the content is because the reliability is questionaable. The removed entry refering to changes in "Miss Magix" seems to describe the episode as it aired under the 4Kids TV banner.

Finally some of this content would be best included in episode summeries as per my suggestion in the hidden comments. Unless some disagrees, I will ultimately remove all edits within the next week.--Kenn Caesius 18:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baltor/Valtor

In season 3, there is a new bay guy but the name is still a mystery eventhough 4Kids already air it and name him ""Baltor"" but on Winx Club offical website him name is called ""Valtor""

I have noticed that as well and have also seen that character named "Boltor" in some pages. when major editors get around to cleaning-up the season articles, I hope that we can address such discrepancies in a subsection.--Kenn Caesius 21:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Enough for a Season 3 article?

I think there is enough information of the plot to mention it briefly in the main article and go into detail in a article of its own with one of those "television program in progress" tags. Would anyone disagree?--Kenn Caesius 19:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see it three times as long before we split it off. I'm sure it can be done.  :) - Malkinann 23:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Winx Club Musicals?

Here http://www.winxclubontour.com/ there seems to be a Winx Club musical in Italy that is touring the Netherlands. Does anyone know more about it, or can they understand the site? - Malkinann 23:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I have the gist of it: according to the "news" posts from the winx club section from michaels favorites this winx club tour is a live-action musical production that performs in malls in America (and Europe obviously) that promotes winx club merchandise. I recall a while a back that the 4Kids winxclub.tv site had advertisements and schedules for such performance. I am unsure about adding what I know citing its heresay and conjecture.--Kenn Caesius 23:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automated Peer Review Suggestions

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  • Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at WP:LEAD. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.
  • Per WP:WIAFA, Images should have concise captions.
  • Per WP:CONTEXT and WP:BTW, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006, but do not link January 2006.
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  • Please alphabetize the interlanguage links.
  • Per WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) may be too long- consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per WP:SS.
  • There are a few sections that are too short and that should be either expanded or merged.
  • Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
    • While additive terms like “also”, “in addition”, “additionally”, “moreover”, and “furthermore” may sometimes be useful, overusing them when they aren't necessary can instead detract from the brilliancy of the article. This article has 10 additive terms, a bit too much.
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  • Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Malkinann 07:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison link

Is the "Winx Club - Cut It Out!" link even allowed to stay on? It just got removed. --Addict 2006 14:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I would have to concede to probably not. As informative as the link is, it may not pass the standards set by Wikipedia's reliable sources, Additionally, it was removed another time in the past with with a comment that such linking is using up more bandwidth that the creator is allotted.--Kevin586 18:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calling shenanigans on "undeveloped"

I seriously doubt spin-offs relating to Stell and Trix are true. I have conducted informal research using the the search string "winx club +spin-off" on google and yahoo! searches about the closest those words get together is during a discussion of fan fiction. I say that if no source is provided by the end of this month, the entire section should be removed.--Kevin586 18:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I thought it was suspicious. Just remove it or something. or maybe I'd speedy tag it right now. --Addict 2006 16:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sorry for disregarding the split discussion...

But I think that history will absolve me. I have gone ahead and created the new season three article as the section was becoming too large and with new episode of the series premiering weekly now, it is only bound to get larger. I will update the to-do list next to removed its mention and request that future editors focus thier attention on copyediting the content of all winx club articles.--Kevin586 18:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is the correct name of the feature film?

Going the official website just posted by an editor, I have noticed some discrepancy of the title: according to the italian text on the bottom is its winx club - il segrete de regno perduto which (off the top of my head ) translates into "secret of the lost king". However, when the preview is over, its simply winx club il film. Can someone suggest how to deal with this?--Kevin586 06:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, this may well be a teaser trailer. This situation might be in a different country/area, but the third Pokemon movie suffered a name change as well (right after a teaser trailer came out). --Addict 2006 03:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About DVDs in Australia

They have just released volume 3 of season two a little whille ago , just though you might like to know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.184.174.220 (talk) 06:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Unofficial links - Do we really need them?

I have reviewed most the of the unofficial links and nearly all of them are poorly made fansites with no useful information. Unless someone can justify their inclusion in this article, I will be removing them by the Tuesday, May 8th.--Kevin586 18:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Since there no discussion (and tacitly, no opposition), I have removed all but one unofficial links. I am familiar with "michael's favorites" series of sites and know that they are an informative and reliable source.--Kevin586 17:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] May 2007 discussion of content relating to criticism and localization.

I have hidden the entire section regarding localization and versions out of concern to that of the content is unsourced and perhaps may not be suitable for this english language version of this article.

Regarding claims that the series has edited, can someone cite credible sources (by wikipedia's standards) that there are distinct versions? While I believe these claims, I think there has been some confusion over localization and distinct versions. It has been my stance from my early involvement with this article to leave the localization content with the respective foriegn language article.

Another reason, I have eliminated the section to avoid encouraging the fancruft from creating one giant uncited wall of text of edits. If someone can cite a edit (in the series) I say it should be moved the season articles, character articles, or stay, if it effects the entire series.--Kevin586 18:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It is a plain and simple fact that there are two English language version, one produced for an American English audience aged 6-11 and one aimed at a commonwealth English audience aged slightly older. The US version was dubbed and edited by 4Kids, the CW version was dubbed by Rai International. For brief or general summaries of changes we don't need any sources beyond a link to an external site that shows the two version side by side, you only need super solid sources when referring to things that are really contentious (for example, an accusation, or a specific fan interpretation that is contentious).
Fan cruft can be dealt with by pruning.
perfectblue 11:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Kevin586, as per your request, commonwealth English means English originating from the Commonwealth of Nations as opposed to English originating from the US. In short, the Rai international version was written for English speakers in countries that were either part of the British empire or were otherwise associated with British colonialism, while the 4Kids version was specifically tailored for an American audience but was exported under the general principles of globalization (4Kids sold it overseas, too).
perfectblue 19:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
First off, I would like to thank you for your response, Perfectblue97.
The claim that RAI has produced English language version of the series needs to be verified. I have heard similar conjecture from animation forums but my skeptical nature (in conjunction with my knowledge of the hierarchy of television program distribution) leads me to wonder if there has not been gross misunderstanding with a respectfully dubbed English language version for the United Kingdom audience not done by RAI.
As the section stands right now, I plan to eliminate the subsection referring to name changes by May 24th because as they are listed now, the place changes are negligible as they are only very close translations and Musa’s new name in the Welsh localization would be best in the Welsh language version article of the series or character page (if it exists). I have added my earlier hidden comment to editors not turn this section into a list of changes of the series; to consider placing such information to respective season and character articles, and that any new additions be sourced.--Kevin586 18:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on Variations secton being hidden

i'd like to say that Kevin 586 has convinced me. the comments i wrote on changes in story due to the fact commercials are longer in america was just something i felt should be said. now however i see that specific information should be placed in character, episode, or a "differences" article(s). However i still stand by that this article should still state that there are 2 english dubbed versions of the shows to clear up confusion in other english speaking countries and explain why there are differences.

It's not just because of the commercials. There were substantial changes to the dialog in places. For example, whole sections from series two where Bloom was talking about her parents or the characters were talking about their developing (boyfriend-girlfriend) relationships were either swapped wholesale for other content or were toned down. Standards and practices, as well as US sensibilities and the younger age of audiences in the US (the biggest US animaiton audience is the 6-11 demographic, and is mostly male, so this is who 4Kids edit for) are the reasons for many of the changes. - perfectblue 19:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
well perfectblue's convinced me as well, i feel these facts that affect the whole show and experience should be said. - Supremecouncil

[edit] Enchantix

i havnt seen much of series three and i was just wondering, after they have got their enchantix, do they keep using that or do they continue to use their costumes that they used before they got it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.173.54 (talk) 19:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

In the series, they use their Enchantix tranformation exclusively after they obtain it.--Kevin586 19:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article assessment

I've assessed this article for WP:TV as requested here. I have rated this article as start class because the relatively short length and lack of important sections like critical response, production etc. and as low importance because there is little to distinguish it from other articles about television series. These categories are arbritrary and are subject to review by any editor who feels confident to do so.

I think the article really needs a response section. Has the show ever won an award? Has it ever been reviewed by a television critic? What are the ratings figures like? It would also benefit from a production section detailing the crew, animators, how the show is made, how it was conceived etc. At the moment the article is all plot and characters and there is very little out of universe perspective given.

There is information in the lead that is not part of the main article - the lead should be a summary of the content of the main article. See WP:Lead for advice on constructing the lead of the article.

Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve good article or featured article status. I used criteria from the television wikiproject guidelines here, article about TV series guidelines here and the assessment guidelines here.--Opark 77 09:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] linyphea

it says on floras page that 4kids changed her planets name, but in the season 3 lucy went 2 baltor and told him that they were going to linyphea, not wat they changed it 2, CONFUSION did they change the name? Joseph mitchell9 23:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translate Japanese

Please translate Japanese!!221.79.35.16 (talk) 10:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

...why would there be Japanese in the article?--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 12:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proofreading

As requested I began some proofreading. I mainly fixed typos and adjusted bad grammar and style, as I am not very familiar with the contents of the series. I will remove the Style tag as soon as I am done, please let me know if you disagree. Also, I believe that the part about the Winx Musical should be moved to a separate article, or even removed completely. Is a musical only shown in Italy and Netherlands really worthy of more than a couple of lines, just for information? Are the names of the various actors/dancers worthy of inclusion? They simply elongate the article without reason in my opinion. Quatonik (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protect?

Oh my tian, I'm getting soooo sick of those vandalism by many IP addresses! Its about time we semi-protect this article! >_< Agree? Tikal-chan (talk) 14:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree. What are the procedures to get this page protected from anonymous users?--Kevin586 (talk) 16:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Click here for the instructions to do so. Tikal-chan (talk) 06:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I'm throwing such suggestions...

[edit] Title of episode articles

I was so surprised when I saw the article about the very first episode is titled "It Feels Like Magic" (4Kids version's title) while "An Unexpected Event" (Title used in the Rainbow's English dub) is a redirect to that article.

Then, two ideas quickly came to mind;

  1. All the articles about the Winx Club episodes are named "Winx Club season X episode OO" rather than episode titles from Rainbow’s English dub or 4Kids version so we can keep WP:NPOV.
  2. However, since it seems like 4Kids reshuffled episodes order in season 3, using Italian titles would also better. (Not direct translation. Example: "Una fata a Gardenia," NOT "A fairy from Gardenia.")

Which idea do you prefer?

[edit] "Sparx," in the Rainbow's official site?

When citing www.winxclub.com's English edition, I think we should be careful, as the edition seems currently for the UK where they get 4K's version.

[edit] Is the birthday a part of continuity?

I watched the episodes from the first to fifty second. However, I heard no mention of characters' birthdays, although two "official" sites mention two different dates per one character. How about this? In the infobox, data for birth date goes "Not mentioned during the TV series [1]" while the ref tag goes;

  1. . ^ www.winxclub.com mentions the character’s birthday as 00 Remember while www.4kids.tv/show/winx mentions as 99 Desire.

[edit] P.S.

  1. Is there a DVD that exclusively contains English version available? I mean PAL aspect ratio, 25fps with episode title cards in English and English audio.
  2. I wish someone make a petition for the Italian season 3 DVD with Italian and English audio, both in stereo.
  3. Can someone ask Rainbow S.p.A. for split winxclub.com's English edition into "three editions", one for UK, another for Asia, the other for rest of the world?
  4. To end this post, here's my pure original research. Don't post them on the main article.
    1. From second season, Rainbow changed intro song's English lyrics to "Open your eyes..." May be, it is the response to the 4K's intro beginning with "Close your eyes..."?
    2. Rainbow introduced Musa's "father" in the second season and "princess" of her home planet in third season, to make 4K confusing? (4K introduced Musa "as the princess" in the first season)--JSH-alive (talk)(cntrbtns)(mail me) 13:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
    3. Oh! One more! The theatrical film was made in 3D to avoid graphical editing>--JSH-alive (talk)(cntrbtns)(mail me) 01:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sexism

Why is the blatant sexism of this show not even mentioned? I know it's hard to find sources for this, but all you have to do is watch the show! d20 (talk) 19:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Such an inclusion without references would be considered WP:OR--Kevin586 (talk) 21:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)