Talk:Winter storms of 2007–08

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[edit] new storms

I thought that there have been snowstorms in the mountains of the west coast this fall. Am i right, or am i overestimating light snow?

Juliancolton 16:47 19, October 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 20:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There have been, it just needs updating; I added an update tag, and I plan to do some updating myself. bob rulz 08:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Any thoughts on external links that would give me information on past and current winter storms, so I could assist in updating this article?Juliancolton 21:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] November

[edit] November 3-4

Well, I've added the winter storm associated with Hurricane Noel that affected portions of Quebec and maybe Maine today (some of you should check the Caribou, Maine NWS for that if there were amounts. Maybe snows in Denver, Colorado prior to the World Series and a winter storm in extreme northern Ontario earlier this week can be added (and Prince George, British Columbia also had quite a bit of snow of the past few days), but I know little about storms elsewhere - maybe there was one in eastern Europe not too long ago, but I have no info, since I've seen last week there was a large area that had snow in the forecast last week.

GFS models have been crazy for the November 11-15 timeline showing one or two (perhaps even three) major winter storms in the Great Lakes over the pass several days. Something to watch here JForget 03:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, and then the GFS has a nor'easter with possible snow as of the 6z run. Go to this website [[1]] which is an accuweather meteorologists blog mostly about the long-range GFS.

Now, about the hurricane noel snowstorm, I think that there is way to much mention about the actual hurricane itself, not about the snowstorm. Juliancolton 14:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] December

[edit] November 30-December 3

Winter storm mode here, already widespread watches in the Midwest and Great Lakes with ice alerts for Missouri and Kansas. Too early to tell if eventually an article will be needed.--JForget 18:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

An article definitely needs to be made. It's the top story just about everywhere. 400 flights canceled at O'Hare, several airports closed, treacherous roads and lots of accidents in Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin, three people dead, nearly a foot of snow in many areas in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. It looks like an article was made, but then deleted. I think something such as "Early December 2007 winter storm" would be a more appropriate title. I've lived in the Midwest all my life, and I can't remember an ice storm quite as bad as this one. You can't even walk out there. Abog 08:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I will start a user page article for the storm before putting it as a main space article. User:JForget/Early December 2007 North America Winter Storm will be launched shortly. --JForget 18:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I've just launched the sub-user page for now, as the impacts have been significant to the Midwest so far with major impacts expected for the Northeast and eastern Canada when this storm will re-intensified later today, I have a 24-photo pose to be emptied, so maybe I could add in the long term a picture or two of the storm in Ottawa.--JForget 19:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I just created an article:Early December 2007 North American winter storm. It's a start, but probably needs work. Abog 19:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Snow just doesn't stop here, with over a foot in eastern Ontario and I've took some pictures but may take some time before it will appear here if it does as it was not a digital. Also, I had no choice, but both coasts were also affected by major storms during the weekend so I had to add those two new sections pretty much at the same time as the Midwest-Eastern storm. --JForget 19:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I have some pictures that I might add of the storm's affect on Utah. I also plan to add prose on its affects here. bob rulz 07:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] December 9-10 (and beyond?) ice storm

A major ice storm is underway across a large section of the U.S. Could be article worthy. ---CWY2190^T^C 19:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If there are major effects across several areas like last week's two big storms although it is certainly worth to mention it in this article with the snows in Colorado and the ice further east. Several storms (up to four storms) are expected/forecasted from yesterday to about the 17th or 18th, storms getting stronger and stronger by weeks end and most of them taking the same general path except maybe the last one where the GFS blows one storm off the Atlantic Coast. This may potentially result as a similar article then January 2007 North American ice storm when there was a series of ice and snow storms from Texas to Newfoundland. We may have a similar situation for this week although not sure if the ice will be as destructive and deadly as last year's.

If you fell it is article worthy, you can build a sub-user page and if the series of storms for this week are quite bad, we could build up an article for all those storms.--JForget 19:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it might be a worthy article, depending on how severe the storm is. I live in New York, and they are predicting a major ice storm for me, so if it is bad, I will be able to see it first-hand.

And now for the 17 GFs storm, it now forecasts the storm cutting up throught the great lakes, but the EURO has a major nor'easter for the 17\18th. Juliancolton (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Five deaths have been reported so far; more ice is still to come. bob rulz (talk) 03:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding my last comment: at my house we got about 0.20 inches of ice. Just thought you might want to know.

And the ice that is still to come is from a different storm, so if it does cause more damage, then should they have two seperate articles? Juliancolton (talk) 13:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

This is definitely gonna be article-worthy. Already 15 deaths and 600,000 customers without power [2]...and this appears to just be in Oklahoma and Missouri so far. It hasn't even gotten to the heavily populated Great Lakes and Northeast states yet! Abog (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Even if it was from separate storms, the national news stations are not reporting that and they're so close together as to be nearly indistinguishable. This is definitely article-worthy, especially if more ice is still to come. Still not as disastrous as January's ice storm, though. bob rulz (talk) 05:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I say definitely article-worthy (haven't really followed the winter weather until now, and Olga makes it a bit harder now for me) but merge with the first storm as they seem to be a storm sequence. The first storm really set the stage for this mess. CrazyC83 (talk) 05:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

What? oh...sorry, I am too busy with Olga, and with the GFS superstorm next week I haven't even thought about this one. Anyway, even thought we are so used to writing hurricane articles, wrting about a winter storm is not nearly as easy as you would think. Especially because there is no official information from NOAA.

Juliancolton (talk) 13:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, they are very difficult to write for when it involves a large area (they are much easier for localized events like the Buffalo storm last fall), since a lot of the information has to come from the media and often it involves a lot of different forms (snow, freezing rain, heavy rain, sometimes severe weather). CrazyC83 (talk) 15:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Is anyone started that article yet?, I could do it right away. It already surpasses the number of fatalities from last week's storm (16) in the Midwest and the one in the Pacific (I think it was 12) which also have its own articles. We could include the storms of Sunday, today and Friday and depending on where the blizzard hits Sunday (looks like northern New York, eastern Ontario and southern Quebec according to the GFS), the latter storm may have to be separated. I've noticed that Olga could also play a factor in one or two of the storms, well at least according to Accuweather.--JForget 16:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Which one, the 17th superstorm? Juliancolton (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Possibly the storm on the 14th but also/or possibly the 17th storm--JForget 17:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I've started it here as a sub-user page as I will do some researches to add sources and info User:JForget/Midwestern United States December 2007 ice storm before sending it to mainspace.--JForget 16:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I've transferred it to mainspace now, ABC says the death toll is now 22, 6 more then last weekend's (Dec 1-3) storm and Oklahoma has its worst-ever power outages and Oklahoma and Kansas are under state-wide state of emergencies... with possibly more active weather for the remainder of the week. We can merged all events into this one article JForget 17:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] December 16-17 (Super storm)

Starting up a new talk discussion section, but the GFS shows a big storm for the Northeast with eastern Ontario, southern Quebec abd Northern New England being the target spot. Now, as a discussion debate here if the storm gets serious and the effects are major, should we give it's individual article or merge it with December 2007 North American ice storm?--JForget 18:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No, write a separate article for the 17th superstorm. Juliancolton (talk) 19:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a completely separate storm. Could be a big one too. ---CWY2190^T^C 13:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think we have to wait to see if the storm actually does anything. I know from experiance that many a snowstorm has just turned to rain. Plus, It depends on weather it taps into Olga. When the storm does develope, then we start working on the article. Juliancolton (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] December 13-14

What about an article for the thursday the 13th storm. Where I live they are expecting up to a foot, so I don't know if it would make a worthy article. Juliancolton (talk) 13:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

There looks to be some areas of ice, although not too bad, but this third system is/will likely not be significant enough for its own article (not as much impact), at least for now... so it should be included in the recently created article even if it could be mostly snow from this system, although there is some mixing today in Oklahoma. If the storm is much bigger then forecasted and that the effects will be as bad as the previous storms since Dec 1. Last January's article included snowstorms as well (the Maritimes, eastern Quebec weather bomb)--JForget 19:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Western Canadian Prairies and British Colombia

Does anyone had articles on storms that hit Western Canada so far this season, I know there have been several of those which did some extensive wind damage in the BC Coast for example. Maybe the biggest storm in the west should be mentionned here since it did produced heavy snow locally (such as Whistler).--JForget 19:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas 2007: Round 2?

While this week looks to be relatively quiet, with the exception of the Pacific Northwest, it looks like a major winter storm could be taking place this weekend, particularly on Sunday, December 23, when much of the Midwest, Great Lakes, and Northeast could again see over half a foot of snowfall. Take a look at this map for what we could see on Sunday, and feel free to navigate the other days. Accuweather is usually pretty conservative with their snowfall estimates, so this could mean serious business. Just a head's up for everyone. Another article will likely be needed (once it happens) for this storm or series of storms occurring in late December. Abog (talk) 03:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

It says maybe a couple inches. Juliancolton (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, they must have changed it then. Oh well. Abog (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Most of the models are giving mostly rain for the Northeast with the worst of the snow across the western Great Lakes and probably freezing rain (again) for the rest of the Great Lakes although I may be wrong.--JForget 01:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No, your right. GFS is showing maybe a little bit of snow for parts of the northeast. Juliancolton (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like this current storm is going to be needing an article. 5 dead, a blizzard, flooding in the northeast, and up to 85 mph winds forecasted. Juliancolton (talk) 15:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

It's now up to 8 deaths and close to 200,000 power outages. 150 flights canceled at O'Hare. Lots of multi-car pileups throughout the Plains states. A foot of snow over much of MN, WI, and MI. [3] Not nearly as severe as some of the past storms, but I think it still might be enough to warrant an article, or at least a section here. Abog (talk) 20:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hum, I'm torn up on this one as this one is not as severe then last week's event (which gave as much as nearly 2 feet in parts of Quebec, Ontario and probably some of northern New England as well) which all of those were merged together despite the weekend's storm death toll of 24 (perhaps more since I've stop checking news on WEdnesday) and much significant snowfall to larger areas. However, we can still de-merge the 16th snowstorm if it is required especially with the new WikiProject and we could eventually add this storm and probably others such as the late-February blizzard last year in the Midwest that was prior to the storm responsible of the Alabama/Georgia tornado outbreak.--JForget 00:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. When should I launch the wikiproject? Juliancolton (talk) 00:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess we can always wait and see if this turns out to be article-worthy or not. At this point, maybe not. But the death toll, power outages, and geographic area is likely to expand as time goes on. But in the meantime, a new section on the main "winter storms of 2007-08" article should at least be made. I'm also supportive of splitting the "mid-December 2007 winter storms" article into two separate articles. Abog (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] January 2008

[edit] January 19-20

Wow check out that monster storm for the Northeast for next weekend, the storm this weekend for Massachusetts is nothing compared from what I've seen on the GFS for next Saturday - a 975 mb storm for Ontario and Quebec.--JForget 19:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The 12z run? Juliancolton (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and check out the one for the 23. Juliancolton (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] January 19-27

The winter storms in central and southern China this week which killed at least 21, (but probably more then that), if this continues like that, may be severe enough to warrant an article even though it is short.--JForget 18:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

There was a big snowstorm in the Pacific Northwest. shouldn't it be on this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.38.133.190 (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] February

[edit] February 3-12

The GFS has two, three and maybe four nor'easters for this time period, with the most significant on February 10 as a 987 mb nor'easter off the New England coast. Juliancolton (talk) 18:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] middle east storm

I don't have time yet to put something together for this, but if someone wants to there was a signifcant winter storm in the middle east recently. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_snowstorm_1 Gopher backer (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I've just added a small paragraph on the Jerusalem storm not a lot but some could add some more details on it if the info is available. Apparently, it diverted attention to a report on the Lebanese War that may force Mr. Olmert to resign from his Prime Minister seat.--JForget 20:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aaah, storm overload!!

I've officially suffered from a case of winter storm overload. There have been so many storms in the western U.S. over such a short time span over this last week of January that it's difficult to differentiate between them, and it's difficult to find storm totals for separate storms and when certain storms affected different areas. To resolve this, I think I'm just going to combine all of these storms into one single headline in the main section. So many deaths from avalanches, accidents, feet of snow in the Cascades and Sierra Nevada, heavy snows in the Spokane area, snow on the Oregon coast, up to 6 feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada, and of course underreporting of snow in the Intermountain West and Great Basin, and Utah (as always)...it's getting hard to differentiate between this storms and what area was slammed by how much when and what deaths occurred where on what dates...anyway, some help in organizing this would be appreciated. Stories on major websites, local newspapers, and AccuWeather (since they keep archives) are generally the most helpful. Significant work is also needed in trimming down and consolidating a lot of these references. We don't need almost 100 references for this article, especially since it's only the beginning of February. bob rulz (talk) 08:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well additionnal detail about other storms (particularly the one just over a week although itself may be warranted an article)) can be added in the existing article about the early month's storm although it would likely have to be renamed for Jaunary 2008 Western North America winter storms.

As for the numerous references, unfortunately some of them are mentionning only some details while others are mentionning other things and for example CNN articles new and different stuff is added on each article. One thing I've notice from the recent winter storm is that one CNN article mentionned six deaths including those in the southern Plains and then it says 10 the next day without mentionning the fatalities in the South (and it was snow related from this storm). Local news sites can also make mention of storm-related deaths in which the AP or big news agencies have omitted. The AP also does not mention any deaths in Canada so you have to throw Canadian sources as well on top.

Finally, for the snow amounts (and particularly Canada) you have to find like several sources mostly because the EC site doesn't archived special weather statements or pages that shows the storm amounts.

One way to reduce the number of citations is to probably create new articles, which I've did with the China case, as mentionned above probably details of the other storms in California in January and a new article of the past three storms in the East as I've mentionned below. --JForget 18:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is the problem with the sources; not enough organized information all in the same place to limit the sources, but I'm sure there's some references we could eliminate. bob rulz (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] February 1 ice storm

Whoa, the ice is terrible here is New York state. The tree branches are falling down all over the place, peopel are falling down, cars are crashing, etc. Are we going to need an article for the storm that is affecting Canada and the Eastern US with ice and snow? Juliancolton (talk) 19:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, the big news sites didn't mentionned this site but it the effects are really bad then maybe an article may be warranted, perhaps as a sequence which would include the ice storm of the Maritimes and the wind storm/severe weather/warm up of the previous storms but unless someone starts it, I don't really it deserves to be individually in an article unless the effects are more significant then what it looks. Also this shot from central Quebec (taken at around 9:00 PM but it will updated soon)looks like a typical supercell thunderstorm with a hook echo in the rear. Presumably, the snow is quite hard there with some mixes in the red.--JForget 02:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Although, while I will not be the one who will start it, maybe a winter storm sequence article can be made that would include the ice storm in PEI, the blizzard and frigid temperatures in the Canadian Plains and the Dakotas, the derecho/squall line across the Ohio Valley, the wind storm and flash freeze/warmth for the Midwest and Great Lakes and then this snowstorm/ice storm across the same areas.--JForget 17:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

There is not alot of information on the storm, which could make an article difficult. I will try it if I find enough sources an information, though. Juliancolton (talk) 19:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On Accuweather sources

When linking to accuweather.com sources, please make sure you link to a specific story, and not whatever is current the section's top story, as these change almost daily. Circeus (talk) 00:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] February 5th-6th Storm

11 people have already been killed in AR, TN, and MS by tornaodes and several are injured.

As part of the same storm system, over a foot of snow is forecast across much of Eastern Iowa, Northern Illinois, Southern Wisconsin, and Lower Michigan on February 6th. A separate article may be needed. Just a heads up everyone. Abog (talk) 04:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Units

Please add SI units (cm, km, ..) for the section "February 5th-6th Storm" (among others). I live in Ontario and it's hard for me to read imperial units.--207.112.4.206 (talk) 01:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. ---CWY2190^T^C 02:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thx.--207.112.4.206 (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Februay 12-14

I've added a bit on the meteorological history of this stom which affected the East Coast, but as I am not very good at impact, could information from these sources, [4] [5] be added into the article? Thanks. Juliancolton (Talk) 16:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Snowfall in Wisconsin

I'm not sure if this should be mentioned, here, but some places in Wisconsin, specifically Madison, are obliterating their seasonal snowfall records.[6] Madison set their seasonal snowfall record of 77.3 inches on Tuesday, February 12. Now this weekend they're under a winter storm warning again and are expecting 8-12 more inches. This could put them close to 90 inches, with March, one of the snowiest months in the upper midwest, still left to come. Gopher backer (talk) 04:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 6-9

This could be a potential article-warrant blizzard with the storm coming up for the next few days, actually currently unfolding in Oklahoma as we speak. There could also be severe weather in the southeast again and major flooding possible along the I-95 with potential ice in the Appalachians and a blizzard from Indiana to Quebec. This may warrant an article of either Blizzard of March 2008, March 2008 North America snowstorm or Nor'easter of March 2008 --JForget 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I might be away for most of the weekend so probably someone else will have to start the article when needed and somebody will have to keep up to date on the watches and warnings on this page as where I will be there will no computers to work on updates. Right now a lot of major cities may get at least wintery mixes, some with significant icing and others heavy snows and at the extreme an-all out blizzard - which is what we might to call Blizzard of March 2008 or North American Storm Complex of 2008 similar to the 1993 Storm of the Century.--JForget 01:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to add a question on this storm, but is it the same that slammed into the British Isles today giving those large waves off the coast of Ireland and Scotland. This may be added in the synopsis section of the storm--JForget 22:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] April 9-12

I've put the Current Storm template considering that blizzard warnings and other widespread winter warnings are in effect for the Plain States especially for Minnesota. Should a tornado outbreak article needed, the winter storm info can be added within it in a separate section.--JForget 23:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About Winter storm by season

I think it has to divined Winter storm of Northern Hemisphere(ex:winter storms of 2006-2007)and Winter storm of Southern Hemisphere(ex:winter storms of 2007).218.35.0.44 (talk) 09:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Winter storms worthy of inclusion are fairly rare in the southern hemisphere (at least compared to the Northern), and the two that occurred last year integrated just fine in the page. Circeus (talk) 03:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so.For example,Tropical cyclone are fairly rare in the southern hemisphere (at least compared to the Northern),but they are departed.(ex:2000 North Indian Ocean cyclone season,1999-00 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season)140.133.6.7 (talk) 07:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)