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[edit] Old comments

Sorry about replacing your links with IMDB ones - when I tried them yesterday they didn't work 83.104.185.49 10:06, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] first name

How do you pronounce her first name? I can't find this information anywhere. Is it [Wee]-[no]-[nah], [Wye]-[no]-[nah]? --rydel 12:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's commonly pronounced "wih-NO-nah" or "wye-NO-nah"; I've never heard "wee-". (The syllable breaks may be off because English uses a truly bizarre system for that which I can't bear to master, so read "wi-NON-ah" if you like that better.) The short "i" would be more correct going by the Dakotan origin of the name, but personal names only care about what their bearers say, anyway. Maybe you should ask a resident of Winona; I'd guess it sounds the same. :-) 82.92.119.11 12:41, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm a former resident of Winona, Minnesota, which locals pronounce something like "wih-NO-nah" (the first vowel is an unstressed schwa). Pronouncing the first syllable as "why" is taken as a clear marker that the speaker is not native to Winona. As Ryder was not a native Winonan, (I searched the official county birth records myself and can tell you she's not there under any name), this doesn't really tell you how to pronounce her name. Jonathunder 18:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely wih-NO-nah. I know because I went to school with her, but she actually normally went by the nickname Noni.--68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)--68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)--68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:56, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "WASB"??

I've never heard the term ever in my life. Did someone just make it up? Even the Urban Dictionary has no entry for this.--Bash 18:58, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I changed this to English. -Acjelen 19:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of thieves

Zondor recently added Ryder to List of thieves, which is in the category Category:Lists of people by occupation. I think it's fairly clear that theft is not her occupation, so one of these ought to be changed. Bovlb 17:54:48, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

[edit] Ellis Island

I'd also like to see some evidence for the Ellis Island story. -Acjelen 02:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

This article appeared in The Hollywood Reporter, 5 March 1997 [1]. I've seen a JPEG of it but not the original. Conch Shell 08:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
The Ellis Island name change story is a common myth. See http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/articles/NameEssay.html or http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=3893. Questors 17:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
It may be a myth in most cases but Ryder has stated that it is true in this particular one. Bear in mind that her ancestors spoke no English and any identification that they were carrying would have been written in the Cyrillic alphabet. Conch Shell 12:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the purpose of Wikipedia is to just repeat what people say about themselves if it is not true. Clerks employed at Ellis Island could read and speak the languages of the immigrants, most being immigrants themselves. They also did not pass out slips of paper that told the immigrants their new names, which were meekly accepted and used. Nobody got new names at Ellis Island unless they changed them themselves after they had gone through the admission process. Mind you, I am not saying the name was not changed; I am saying it was not changed by the authorities at Ellis Island. Ryder's ancestors arrived at Ellis Island on Jul 03, 1906 on The Kroonland with the last name of Tomschin. (You can find the record at ellisisland.org. Like all passenger lists, it is not written in the Cyrillic alphabet.). In 1920, the family is listed in the census for Manhattan Assembly District 6, New York, New York, ED 492, page 19A as Horowitz. Questors 22:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into this, I don't think Wikipedia should be used to spread urban myths either. However I suspect Winona's claims are true as any ID the Tomchins would have been carrying would have been in the cyrillic alphabet. It's possible the clerks could have spoke Russian though I don't know how likely. Also, according to your link, immigrants tended to anglicize their names. The Tomchins seem to have chosen a completely different Russian one! On balance I think its best to reinstate Winona's claims but make it clear that they are that. Conch Shell 09:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
PS - you seem to have traced Winona's family tree back to 1906. It would be a great contribution to the article. Conch Shell 12:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure this is the place for that. Rootsweb and various other sites have celebrity genealogies if you are interested. Questors 19:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Ellis Island went out of their way to employ people (often recent immigrants) who spoke the languages the new arrivals were speaking. They lined up at the windows according to language. But the bigger point is that they did not hand out names at Ellis Island! That would be like me going to the post office to mail a letter and coming home and telling my family we got a new name. There is just no connection between Ellis Island and new names. I suggest a visit to Ellis Island where you will see how organized it all was, how they catered to the new immigrants, and how the immigrants entered into a community after they arrived. Questors 19:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd have thought Ellis Island officials would have at least given out papers to say that immigrants had legally entered the country and that the names on these would have formed the basis of their legal ID. Conch Shell 14:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
My grandfather claimed throughout his subsequent life (and it was supported by other relatives) that his given name had been changed from "Ladislav" to "Laddie" when he immigrated at the age of seven, in the standard Ellis Island language-impaired-official legend scenario. As for Ryder, it may not be verifiable to say "Her family's name WAS changed at Ellis Island", but a verifiable statement might be, "She said that her family's name was changed at Ellis Island, in this interview (reference)." 129.97.79.144 21:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Girl Interrupted Edit

I just changed the text of the description of Ryder's film "girl Interrupted". In which Angelina Jolie plays not a "psychopath" as it originally states, but rather a "sociopath". Here is my citation:

Plot Summary Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow. During her stay, Susanna (Ryder) meets Lisa (Jolie). Lisa proves to be a sexually driven and volatile character. Susanna and Lisa form a tight bond, but later Lisa begins to spin out of control and becomes a traitor to Susanna. Lisa ends up in a bed in restraints, repentant for what she did to Susanna. Susanna also befriends Daisy (Murphy), whose home problems lead to her suicide. Lisa, however, is not so sympathetic to Daisy's problems and never really shows a desire to be friends with her. This is a reflection of Lisa's sociopathy.

[edit] Quote "Lisa thinks she's hot shit cuz she's a sociopath" "We are very rare and we are mostly men" [edit] Related topics

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Girl,_Interrupted Lindsey 10:18, 4 Oct 2005

[edit] And God Created Noni

It is acceptable to link to certain fan sites, RE:

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such."

AGCN provides comprehensive information on Winona Ryder's past and present activities, it's also got the largest WR image collection on the web. It was on this page when I first started editing Wikipedia about a year ago and was only recently removed.


[edit] Ryder's mother

Someone just corrected her mother's maiden name to "Istas", no doubt from her birth certificate at Rootsweb.com. This is the name I saw there before, too. I think Palmer was her first husband's surname. Anyway, do we really know if her mother is of English descent? "Istas" certainly doesn't sound English and all I've read about Ryder's ancestry is that her father is Jewish (and most articles seemed to imply that her mother isn't), so I'm removing "English descent" unless someone has a good source. Vulturell 01:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect for misspelling

It seems to me that many people try to spell her name as "Winona Rider". Would it be helpful to have some kind of redirect so that if people are looking for her by that spelling, it would direct them to the appropriate page? I'm technically incompetent and have no idea how I would go about doing this. Mrplastic 06:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. Conch Shell 11:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blonde hair

Would someone want to correct the section where it says Ryder's natural blonde hair can be admired in the film Edward Scissorhands? It was extensively mentioned by the actress herself at the time she promoted the movie that she wore a wig! I can provide a cite if needed. 151.205.51.198 23:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)a Winona fan

Done. Conch Shell 10:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
The article states that she had been dying her hair black since childhood, but later says she began dying it after her agent told her to. I've always heard the latter... This should be corrected if somebody can confirm one or the other.
by Wild Mountain Thyme 03:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Her natural hair color is black. I went to school with her. When I first met her she actually had it dyed bright beet red! --68.72.97.144 (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a third-party reliable source for that? Ward3001 (talk) 20:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tidied Up

Hope no one minds, I just tidied up some of the film summaries and the phrasing, particularly 1986-2000. Cheers, a big Winona fan. -Wikitoddia 23:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Best Director

Does she really consider Frances Ford Coppola the "Best Director"? And is that the best director ever, the best director currently alive, or is this even appropriate? It seems for a compliment that generous, there should be some documentation. Anyone? -Wikitoddia 00:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)00:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Scorsese, yes. I've added a source. Cheers. Igorrr 08:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Hamilton relationship and Winona Ryder impersonators

Where'd you read they dated for three years? The never "officialy" dated, but according to paparazzis (isn't an encyclopedic source to begin with) they only went out for a few weeks or months. Article is protected, could someone be so nice and remove the wrong edit. Thx.

Fixed. Ru4real 08:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Their relationship is documented and official. Page Hamilton has mentioned it in interviews. Do not edit my entries without talkback here or at contact christianlloydburrows at yahoo dot com. Wikideditor 08:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it was documented, but they only dated for a while, definitely not three years as you have them. Hamilton was therefore just another of Ryder's flings, not notable enough to be added to this article. Ru4real 17:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I asked politely to contact and talk before you vandalized Ryder's profile and called her last relationship "another fling". I have made the decision to waste my time over this issue with you because your reasons for vandalism are suspect.

Further I include here links and quotes where Hamilton mentions the duration of his relationship with Ryder between three to three and a half years

Joe's Podhole interview http://joespodhole.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=124496

Quote from interview with Mark Carras of RockMyMonkey.com

"I'm at that point in my life where I have a little less stress with my home life, because I'm single. I was once married, and I had a girlfriend for the last three and a half years up until May."

I have wasted my time for you looking for images of Ryder and Hamilton together. Photos of them shopping or on dates can be found dated July of 2003, October 2003, March 2004 and April 2006. Approx. time period quoted by Hamilton. Wikideditor 18:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Take a deep breath and take your medication. Hopefully those voices in your head that tell you that I'm slandering you will stop and you will be fine. Hopefully. Sorry, but Ryder's name wasn't brought up in both the cited interviews. I also haven't seen pictures of Ryder and Hamilton together for the longest time. He was more than just a fling, but three years is a stretch I think. But I won't revert your edits 'cause it's no big deal to me. Ru4real 18:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You are slandering Ryder by belittling a three year relationship as a fling. How could you not hear Winona Ryder's name in the Podhole interview when everyone else has? I have an email sent to me that says you have been impersonating Winona Ryder on several sites because she wouldn't sleep with you. Is that why you don't want the three year Hamilton relationship on Wikipedia because you told people online another story as you acted as Winona Ryder? Is that you or someone else? If it isn't you what do you think about it as you did remove references to it in the main article by anonymous contributors? Wikideditor 16:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

She wouldn't sleep with me? I acted as Ryder? What? You are weird, you know that? I removed the edit because some weirdo with a myspace account is completely unencyclopedic and nonessential to Ryder. I wasn't the only editor who thought so as the article even got protected to prevent the anonymous contributor from adding their unencyclopedic edit. Ru4real 03:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Insulting me (again). I did say an email claimed you, RU4real, had previously impersonated Winona Ryder on the-soap.com's message boards under the pseudonym 'meforreal'. It's pretty easy to theorize that when your nicknames are similar. I will ask some questions and ask you to answer all of them.

1) Are you meforreal? 2) Why is it that you appeared for the first time on the 16 October to edit out references to a Winona Ryder impersonator on MySpace within minutes of those additions which came from a single user using multiple connections and proxies? 3)The same additions came in from other proxies on the 17 October and again you appeared very shortly after to remove them. Are you psychic? 4) Why did you blatantly and purposefully ignored Page Hamilton's references to her in the links above? 5) Why is it that with your encyclopedic knowledge of Winona Ryder you said Page Hamilton was "another quick fling" when every Ryder fan knows they were dating for three years? 6)What was the purpose for deleting my additions more than once when they were grounded in factual knowledge?

Answer all those questions without ignoring any. Wikideditor 16:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Meforreal? What? I don't claim to have encyclopedic knowledge of Ryder, I wouldn't want to. However, I do know that said edit was not essential to Ryder hence I and other editors removed it. Goodbye Ru4real 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You're so quick to reply (must live here) and quicker at running away with questions unanswered! Come back and answer all questions above please. Wikideditor 17:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

the user named Ru4real is the impersonator of winona ryder as mentioned on the imdb and also on this page. Ru4real lives in tennessee and operates from ip address XX. Ru4real is a very very good liar and is very very evasive. this person is also 'meforreal' on soap. Ru4real is being watched by authorities on myspace and imdb and here to insure that there is no danger to winona.

You were the person who told us on IMdB. How did you find out? Send all your evidence to christianlloydburrows[at]yahoo.com Wikideditor 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't impersonate Noni in myspace, that's not nice. I just got through taking out the hugest Angelina Jolie impersonator in myspace, [http://www.myspace.com/angelina_jolie75 in September. That was a sinch. But I didn't take out its counterpart, [http://www.myspace.com/brad_pitt63 , for my own reasons. 68.123.234.43 10:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the myspace impersonator at http://www.myspace.com/118711933 and http://www.myspace.com/winona_gone_shopping Wikideditor 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there are some more. There are not that many compared to Angie or Brad etc. and a big celeb is always going to have some impersonators in myspace unless they take action themselves... if they care. I'm pretty sure they are aware that they are being impersonated though they probably have not seen the specific profiles. 68.123.234.43 03:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, 68.123.234.43, for removing the reference to the myspace member. It is not prudent to publish that information here as it could incite the person in question to behave more irrational than they already are. When you come across such people e-mail your information to any member of staff at Thruline Entertainment who manage Winona Ryder.

Fo sho. Sorry about bringing all the drama. Felt like notifying someone. I'm usually into more light-hearted fare, this isn't my field. 69.106.207.205 15:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

69.106.207.205, you're this person http://www.myspace.com/winona_gone_shopping so stop the bull.

If this person http://www.myspace.com/118711933 is Winona then I'm disgusted by her personality and responses and hope never to see her face or hear her name again. It would make her an awful human being Lefttodiealone 21:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Can we get some more Winona Ryder impersonators to post on this talk page? I wanna meet 'em all. They are adorable. I wanna date one of them. It would be fucking surreal if we can gather them all on here. If we can also muster [http://www.myspace.com/w_sunshine , [http://www.myspace.com/anonymouslywinona , and that old vet,[http://www.myspace.com/wryder , we can make some fucking Wikipedia history. Maybe the story will get picked up by a British tabloid. 69.111.14.76 03:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

.....and they all fell down Wikideditor 11:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing picture

The english and most of the international pages about wynona have no picture in the top right bio box.

The Esperanto version of the page has a nice one that could be used, but I'd like someone who understands Esperanto to check if the licence is ok. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.114.251.35 (talk) 21:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

It's kind of silly that someone this famous is without a picture. How about temporarily we just use the 'How to make an american quilt' DVD cover ??
Joelittlejohn 16:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Adding copyrighted images to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder is against Wikipedia policy. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images borrowed from other web sites, printed material, films, or other sources; such additions will be deleted. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Note that Wikipedia policy does not allow use of a non-free image on the page of a living person. Ward3001 16:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "WRNC" site appears to be a fan blog

The "winona ryder news channel" appears to be a glorified blog. It's also not originated by Winona. Prove me wrong, but this appears to be a sketchy case of not meeting WP:EL WP:RS etc. Site contact is a hotmail address. Piperdown 03:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Complete rewrite (May 2007); possible GA or FA status

I have completly re-writen the article. I beleive it is close to receiving a GA or FA status, maybe an expansion on the personal life section. Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. Angel2001 13:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Early life and education needs reference

Almost the whole Early life and education part is based on trivia from TV.com while these trivia seems to be editable by everyone and therefor aren't good sources of information. There should be better ones... Greetings, --Konsumkind 17:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] i know trivia is discouraged, but...

...i remember that the last time i visited this article there was a fairly extended list of occurences of Winona in popular culture, like a list of songs written about her, including a mention of the quarrel with Les Claypool on Primus' Wynona's big brown beaver, etc. Why was that erased? I'm not into trivia sections really (i hate random lists of uninteresting facts like "she's got a scar on her left knee" or "she used to sniff glue at age 8" — and yeah i just made that up), but i don't think that list fell into this category. I did find it useful. Are "References in popular culture" discouraged too — if they're not too long and kept clean?

Trivia by any other name is still trivia. Most of the time use of the heading "Cultural references" is an attempt to avoid the trivia tag. Occasionally I have seen a little less junk in "Cultural references", but over time all the usual junk is added. It will get a trivia tag (by me if no one else), and all unsourced trivia will get a "citation needed" tag. Most of it will eventually be deleted. Ward3001 (talk) 17:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Agree. But still, don't you think some of that info, such as an allusion to Primus' song, or her mock portrayal in the South Park movie, is worth being recorded in THIS article? — properly, with citations and everything? If it is not mentioned here, people who come to this article may miss relevant information. If i'm gathering data on Winona Ryder, i'd like to know things such as those two above. I know it's hard to draw the line between relevant and bullwikishit, but...
Just a line for every occurence containing a wikilink to the proper article would be enough, wouldn't it? Where else would you put it? You may claim there is an article on Primus or South Park for that, but again, people logically turning to this article for info will miss it. And starting a new article is out of the question.
When i read Wikipedia's policy on trivia sections, i understand that those facts ought to be incorporated in the article: if they're relevant enough, they won't be hard to accomodate in a biography, for instance; and the other ones may be deleted. But deleting a whole section... I don't know, you might erase important facts that someone just failed to place correctly.
Sorry for being so tenacious about it, i hate to see an article full of junk as much as the next guy, but i guess if it were my responsibility, Wikipedia would be the hugest junkyard in Internet — and that's saying a lot. I'm still willing to know your point though. :) El edgar (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
"those facts ought to be incorporated in the article"
You hit the nail on the head there. A trivia section is only supposed to be a temporary place until it can be incorporated into the article. So the best thing is to go ahead and incorporate it into the article in the first place. Some extreme junk I remove immediately. The stuff with more relevance I let sit for a month or two, and if there's no citation added, I delete it. I'm fine with a wikilink to another article instead of a citation to an external source, if the information is relevant and notable. The problem with letting the junk stay longer is that it tends to attract more junk. People love to add trivia, but almost no one wants to clean it up. That's why you have enormous trivia sections develop until someone finally gets tired of it and deletes the whole thing.
Regarding Primus, if you're referring their song supposedly about her, they have denied that it is about her. See the article. I don't think it's worthy of a mention that the song is not about her.
For South Park, if you are referring to the parody in the South Park movie, that's already in the article.
I'd say that if you have any doubt about whether a trivia item should go in the article (especially a trivia section), put it on the Talk page and see what other people think. Ward3001 (talk) 20:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Noni Winona Laura Tomchin Horowitz Ryder Winona, Minnesota

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[edit] Polly Klaas: Source please?

The much of the section about Polly Klass is completely unsourced. We need sources for the following:

  • That the Studio attempted to remove the dedication
  • That Ryder's threat forced them to relent
  • The alleged quote from the Assistant DA (and Ryder's reaction)
  • That Klaas's father was expelled from the courtroom while "voicing protest"

On another note, voicing protest of what? Was he angry about what the Assistant DA said about Ryder? Or was he angry about Ryder's dedication of the movie? Without a citation, we can't rephrase for clarity, and per WP:BLP, this section really shouldn't be here at all without reliable sources. UPDATE: Checked the Polly Klaas page. The same facts are asserted, again without attribution.

Wellspring (talk) 16:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

OK found sources for everything but the alleged attempt by the studio to remove the dedication. I found a website that relates the same story, but they don't qualify under WP:RS and I couldn't locate the source that they cite. So for now I've removed the following: "The producers at first wanted to remove the dedication, but Ryder said she would not do any publicity for the film if it was removed, so it was retained.".
The alleged quote was incorrect; I fixed it. Mark Klaas was there to support Ryder, but while he did not speak on her behalf at the hearing due to being "detained" no source I've found details the story as previously related in the article. Detained could mean anything from arrested to simply late and if he really was ejected from the court for defending Ryder then I'm very surprised that none of the media accounts mentioned it. So that goes too. I'm torn about whether this is part of the Klaas story or the shoplifting story.
Also added citations for everything. I read more articles than just CBS and CNN, but the NYT and Fox coverage didn't add any details and so I stuck with the most reliable sources.
Wellspring (talk) 15:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

she was on an episode of friends she played rachel's friend from college, she and rachel made out at a party in college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.86.128 (talk) 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

We know. It is in the article, with a link to an article about the episode. Ward3001 (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the Woody Allen problem of insurance occurred in 2002 or 2003 after Wynona Ryder was sentenced in a publically televised sentencing in the California Superior Court in December 2002 It was because of her "drug" problem and "shoplifting" problem and the hysteria of the Press and Media and publicity for a year, only ending in December of 2002, that the insurance companies didn't want to insure anything Wynona Ryder would appear in.

I think Winona Ryder was "set up" or "on the set" ----one or the other---- and I have no desire to hurt her (I think she was hurt enough) but I think that Wikipedia is putting out incomplete information that paints an incomplete picture of what really happened to Winona Ryder in this article if you don't indicate that it was in December of 2002, after the two movies were completed in 2002, that Winona was sentenced for felony larceny and shoplifting and not until 2003 that she was finding it hard to get work and that Woody Allen had to drop her ----Obviousl;y. this hurt her career and I think she was SET UP to provide an example to the American Public that would indicate that even the rich and famous are prosecuted and punished for shoplifting which is "larceny" when prosecuted in the courts of the United States ----and to protect the California Three Strikes Laws and the State State Statutes for Civil Recovery for Shoplifting throughout the United States and especially in California, where it is really BIB business. There was never any discussion of The Civil Recovery Statutes for Shoplifting in any of the publicity about the Winona Ryder case and I guess the Press and the Media just weren't curious about why Winona was treated differently than the other 5000 similar cases that were plead down to a misdemeanor, etc.. before a public jury trial and sentencing.

CJKC

[edit] GA Review

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    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
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    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
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Comments:

  1. I think that the criminal infobox is unnecessary; she already has an actress one (which she is mainly known for) and there's nothing in the infobox that couldn't be summarized in the prose of the article.
  2. "Marked by controversy in its depiction of violence in teenage life, critical reaction was lukewarm,[11] but Ryder's performance was critically embraced," (Early works 1985-1990) One of the "critical"s should be changed; it's too repetitious to use the same word twice in one sentence.
  3. Some statements require citations:
    "The film was a box office flop, yet achieved status as a cult film." (Early works 1985-1990)
    "For her performance, Ryder recieved a Golden Globe nomination for Best Actress in a Supporting Role." (Early works 1985-1990)
    "a project she brought to director Francis Ford Coppola's attention." (1991-1995)
    "Her surroundings reflect the interpersonal and societal conflicts raging within and around her via many scenic references and multi-layered utterances. Her role in this movie won her a Golden Globe Award for Best Supporting Actress as well as an Academy Award nomination in the same category." (1991-1995) I don't really even feel that the first sentence of this is necessary for the article.
    "Her performance received acclaim, and Reality Bites has since become earned status as a cult film." (1991-1995)
    "She also received an Best Actress Oscar nomination the following year." (1991-1995) Regarding Little Women
    "The film was not a commercial success, nor was it popular with critics." (1991-1995) Regarding How to Make an American Quilt
    "Her next role was in Looking for Richard, which became a failure commercially, although managed to draw moderate critical acclaim." (Continued success, 1996–2000)
    "The film was expected to be a success, considering its budget, but became a large failure." (Continued success, 1996–2000) Regarding 'The Crucible
    "Ryder then starred in Woody Allen's Celebrity (1998), after Drew Barrymore turned down Ryder's role, in an ensemble cast." (Continued success, 1996–2000) Need a cite that Drew Barrymore turned down the role
    "While Ryder was expected to make her comeback with her leading role, the film instead became the "welcome-to-Hollywood coronation" for Jolie,[26] who won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance." (Continued success, 1996–2000) The parts that need citing are the fact that she "was expected to make her comeback" and that Jolie won the Academy Award.
    "Autumn in New York received mixed review" (Continued success, 1996–2000)
    "which was a commercial failure. Thus, Ryder refused to do commercial promotion for the film." (Continued success, 1996-2000) Regarding Lost Souls
    "This was her most commercially successful movie to date, earning over $126 million in the United States alone." (Hiatus, 2001–2005) Regarding Mr. Deeds
    "The film premiered at the Sundance Film Festival on January 25, 2006." (2006-present) Regarding The Darwin Awards
    "The film debuted at the Sundance Film Festival 2007 on January 10, 2007, with a theatrical release on August 3, 2007." (2006-present) Regarding The Ten.
    "During their relationship, Depp had a tattoo placed on his arm reading "Winona Forever," which he had altered to "Wino Forever" after their separation. Ryder later had serious relationships with Soul Asylum's Dave Pirner and actor Matt Damon." (Relationships)
    "Klaas lived in the same town where Ryder grew up, Petaluma. Ryder offered a $200,000 reward for the 12 year-old kidnap victim's safe return. After Polly's death, Ryder starred in the 1994 film adaptation of Little Women by Louisa May Alcott and dedicated it to her memory. Little Women was one of Polly's favorite novels." (Polly Klaas) The fact that she started in Little Women is inherent to the film, so it doesn't need a citation, but the rest of it does.
    "Cooley filed four felony charges against her in what was described by British newspaper The Guardian as a "show-trial". (2001 Shoplifting Incident) Direct quotes require direct cites.
    "As noted by Joel Mowbray from the National Review, the prosecution was not ready to offer the actress what was given to 5000 other defendants in similar cases, an open door to a no-contest plea on misdemeanor charges." Sounds very non-neutral without a cite
  4. I wonder if there's a better title for the "1996-2000" section; "continued success" doesn't really seem to accurately (or entirely) summarize what happened during this period.
  5. I don't think that the direct Allen quote in the "Hiatus, 2001–2005" section in necessary; all the information contained it could be summarized and convey the exact same information
  6. The second paragraph of "2006-present" is clearly out of date and needs to be re-written to conform to a more encyclopedic tone.
  7. Reference #5 does not work for me
  8. I question how much Youtube can be used a source, but it's almost certainly a copyright violation to do so, per WP:YOUTUBE (Refs #14 and #15)
  9. The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it must not introduce any information that is not present in the body of the article (for example, there's no mention of her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in the article) and must adequately summarize all the major points/headings made in the body of the article (there is currently nothing on "Early life and education" or "Polly Klaas")
  10. ""What's offensive to me is to trot out the body of a dead child."" (Polly Klass) Direct quotes require a direct citation, even if it's the same one used at the end of the paragraph.

Normally, all of this would outright fail the article. In this case, however, it may be possible to cite all of these facts within seven days since this is a higher-profile article. Therefore, I am going to place the article on hold provisionally. The references, including the many that still need to be added, will be checked once all of the above concerns have been addressed. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 22:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

All of these problems have been addressed, and the citations have been provided from everything mentioned.Disco dog23 (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm impressed with the work done so far, it's much better now. I have updated the review accordingly; those last few things should be it before the article gets to GA status. Cheers, CP 07:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Argh! I was just about to pass this one, but I noticed that there's a valid concern on the Image:Girlinterrupted.jpg image (actually, I didn't even notice when the image popped up in the article). I suggest using a non-fair use rationale template to solve the issue, since it has a specific space for you to list what article you plan to use it in (ie. This one). An example can be found at Image:Brazil-JPryce2.jpg. Cheers, CP 19:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Looks like everything is good to go now, so I will be passing the article as a Good Article. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 17:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou! Disco dog23 (talk) 08:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category

I've added a Russian-American category to the article as she has Russian ancestors (her paternal grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Russia). See also [2] 87.126.142.54 (talk) 22:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

And if she's a Jewish-American from her grandparents then Ryder is too of Russian descent from the same grandparents. A simple fact. 87.126.142.54 (talk) 23:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that should really matter. If she was born in Russia or self-identified as an ethnic-Russian, then it would apply, but I don't believe that simply being of Russian descent warrants such a category. Categories are meant to both be informative and convey meaningful information. And from an encyclopedic perspective, I don't see any significance to her having Russian grandparents. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
agreed. If it wre her parents, that'd be enough as well, but for that level, she'd need to self-identify with her heritage... and she hasn't. ThuranX (talk) 07:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
There is no evidence that she or her parents has ever had Russian citizenship, nor that she or her parents ever identified themselves as Russian-Americans. If we allow categories simply because of ethnic/national ancestry, then most bio articles would have many such nationalities. For example, if there were an article about me, using the "ancestry" criterion, there would be at least six nationality categories, even though my family has not lived outside of the United States in over 200 years. Ward3001 (talk) 16:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)