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A neighborhood section for the main Winnipeg article should be written. I will attempt to get it started. jdobbin 15:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Archives

Archive 1 (Feb 13, 2004 - Feb 5, 2006) Archive 2 (Jul 6, 2005 - Mar 29, 2005)

Contents 1 HDR Photography 2 Pictures 3 Sister Cities 4 Esplanade Riel discussion 5 Homer Simpson, honorary Winnipegger 6 Qyd's Work 7 Television and radio 8 Moved Pictures 9 Rename article 10 Walker Theatre? 11 Seventh-Day-Adventists 12 Article still needs improvement 13 IN NEED OF IMMEDIATE HELP 14 Requested move 14.1 Survey 14.2 Discussion 15 Alexander Begg (journalist) 16 mergefrom City Place (Winnipeg) 17 Hell's Kitchen (Winnipeg) 18 Winnipeg clean-up 19 Social 20 Hockey 21 Festival du Voyageur 22 Citations to Arts and Culture 23 CJOB, most popular radio station? For what age group? 24 To the user Random05 25 Question re: Imobilizers 26 History and Sports 27 GA Fail 28 NEW PIC 29 Neighborhoods 30 Clean Up of Sections 31 Fair use rationale for Image:Winnipegcoa.gif 32 Winnipeg Free Press 33 Article Layout 34 'Superbad City' section 35 Coldest? 36 Climate Graph 37 My rewrite 38 Pronunciation 39 Pictures...yet again 40 Seine River 41 Collège universitaire de Saint-Boniface

[edit] HDR Photography

As stated below, Wikipedia is not the place for photoshop fun'n'games. HDR photography does not belong in this article.--68.179.16.113 21:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

huh? its not hdr oye and i don't use photoshop i use gimp ever herd of a retinex filter?? 1ajs

Photoshop, GIMP, MS Paint, same difference. Save that stuff for your photography club. --68.179.16.113 12:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

ok then how about a fish eye http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Downtownwpg.jpg or this? http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5447/panofu5.jpg 1ajs

Take a look at other cities' HDR photos. Denver, Dallas, Toronto, Atlanta, etc all show the downtown core from recognizable vantage point, and they're all largely 'unplayed with' photos. Clear and in real colour! As 68.179.16.113 said, this is not a place for photoshop fun'n'games. Nor is it a place for playtime wit' camera lenses. Sorry, try again. JacobTwo 22:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

yea well that reconizable vantage point you showed is well miss representing 1ajs

Once again we have an inappropriate picture on the front page. Let's get a normal colour shot of the city up there, please. 1ajs, you may want to look at some other cities' pages to get an idea of what works. --68.179.16.113 14:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The image would be acceptable if it was in real colour. Try taking one from across the river in St. Boniface. JacobTwo 22:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

lol my pano from fort gary place gives a better feel for downtown does it not? i will go dig threw my images and such and find my none edited version or rebuild it again... wishs i had not forgoten my spare set of bateries that night woulda had an amazing sun set pano :( i havent realy had much luck with st b need to get above the tress..... but were to go :S 1ajs —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 01:24, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

The current picture for the infobox is not bad, but i still think the shot should be of the more 'classic' and common shot of Winnipeg's downtown. This is an encyclopedia, and the 'title' photo should be 'normal'(no special effects, whether they be fisheye, filtered, HDR, B and W, whatever--not on wikipedia!!!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.44.27 (talk) 04:00, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

point taken... 1ajs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 18:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

The pictures of Portage Ave. and the Royal Canadian Mint are framed TERRIBLY, so if someone could either retake those (I probably could) or remove them, that would be great.

-Richard

I would be happy to supply pictures of Portage Ave and any other required images of Winnipeg. As a Winnipeg stock photographer I have a large and diverse collection. Check out http://siamandas.com and http://manitobaalive.com. You might find it useful to supply these as external links. --Siamandas 22:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed the skyline and portage avenue photos are lacking as well (you cannot even see the portage roadway itself!) I'll take some photos soon to replace the current photos.JacobTwo 01:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I have replaced the somewhat terrible photo of the Assiniboine Pavilion Gallery (also fixed the spelling error) Building, with something a little better. JacobTwo 00:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

How ironic. The image you just posted is the only one on the article that actually has snow in it. Disinclination 03:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how that is ironic but yes......I find the winnipeg article lacking. Hope to replace the mint and portage ave. photos soon. JacobTwo 06:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ironic was probably not the best word. Disinclination 04:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

We really need some better pictures for the Winnipeg article. Can anyone pull out the cameras for this summer and take some shots of Portage and Main and elsewhere in the city? jdobbin 16:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The photos for the article are a REAL issue. With recent image placements by users such as 1ajs, and any efforts on the part of users who might have some knowledge of what an encyclopedic image might be, being stamped out by people who post images that are heavily distorted or completely devoid of content. This user will no longer be making efforts to improve the quality of the photo in this article if the quality of edits by certain users continue.

The Winnipeg is a sub par city article as it is, and will continue to be so. JacobTwo 22:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

We really need the pictures to be looked at some more. The HDR image in the infobox is absolutely terrible for an encyclopedia. Even the photos of portage avenue are somewhat out of place, as they could have been taken in almost any city in the world. There is nothing saying Winnipeg in those photos. I like the suggestion of having P and M in there, as its a truly Winnipeg thing. But please change that HDR image, its very out of place. Wikipedia is not the place for your own photoshop adventures207.161.47.99 22:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

would somthing like this work for a portage and main shot? http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1460/pmflr3.jpg 1ajs

No. If the image was square with no black void then maybe. JacobTwo 22:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

thats at 18mm on my lens with the fisheye macro thing atached i can play around with it one day and get some stuff 1ajs —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 01:08, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Kirk's picture is great. Let's keep that one for now. :) vid 15:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't even see this big debate until after I posted the picture. I just saw that the skyline picture wasn't the greatest and decided to replace it with a good one that I had. Are there any other specific pictures that need replacing or adding? Kcumming 18:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

nice shot kcumming aww we need a better shot of the pavilian at asiniboin park... the curent one is horible 1ajs

4 spelling mistakes out of 16 words. GOOD JOB! Apparently all the pictures I have taken are horrible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobTwo (talk • contribs) 20:18, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

If you spent your entire childhood travelling the world instead of going to school, you'd have bad spelling, too. Besides, it's not as bad as the txt msgn lng, a? vid 21:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

no offence jacob 2 but they are and yea i take alota crap to........ as for the spelling yea as vid has said i spent alota time as a kid not in school traveling the world can thank the blue chips for that.... 1ajs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 05:49, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

changed the skyline pic.... is it to dark?? 1ajs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 04:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion it is. What was wrong with the one that I had posted already? Kcumming 14:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

AJs pic was way too dark, I reverted it. The picture should reflect the city, an image showing the legislature, CBD and the urban trees would be the best angle, but no one has a free shot of that. Kirk's picture will do for now.vid 16:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again, 1ajs, I don't think that's the right picture for the lead picture of the article, and I think the one that I had posted was better at capturing the whole city. I don't want to get into an edit war. If you have a picture that you genuinely think is a better candidate for the spot, then by all means, put it in, but don't put it in just because it's yours. Kcumming 14:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Kc. I first saw this page a few days ago and my first impression was generally good. The cityscape picture seemed appropriate and was exactly the kind of picture I would expect to see in the opening of an article about a city. The picture placed by 1ajs is also very good, but perhaps would be better placed elsewhere in the article. -- Taroaldo 18:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

if you all as a colective don't want it as the head image representing winnipeg then change it... i not guna start a war not what we need... i just took a new shot from a diffrent angle with the river rouge that i felt should be the image there and being the other one http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/06/Wpgriversky.jpg/678px-Wpgriversky.jpg was to dark i took one of the others and litend it and cleaned all the dust specs outa the image... has to clean my ccd... anyhow cheers 1ajs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 22:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

A vote should be held on all the pictures. There are probably too many in the article now. Most could be placed in the Commons section. jdobbin 02:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

What was wrong with the pictures of the forks or exchange district in there???? It seems too plain now and dosnt show off what winnipeg has... jd.101 19:44, 01 October 2007 (UTC)

having to many pics is not a good thing though jd.101 our wiki is sorta a rats nest that needs to be sorted... a meeting is probably needed to really sit down and get it the way a proper wiki entry should be... 1ajs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1ajs (talk • contribs) 23:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sister Cities

Although Winnipeg lists Minneapolis as a sister city, Minneapolis does not. I've checked their city website. Anyone have the facts on that one? jdobbin 19:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)no

[edit] Esplanade Riel discussion

Just a quick note on the pedestrian/pedestrian-vehicular edit. According to the ISIS Canada site Esplanade Riel Pedestrian Bridge, the Esplanade Riel Pedestrian Bridge features twinned bridges, one for vehicles and commuter cyclists and one for pedestrians. CMacMillan 16:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I reverted a well meaning edit without a description. Some of this IP address's previous edits were also quickly reverted and I incorrectly did not assume good faith. Although I should have put in an edit summary, I still stand behind my revert. The side spar bridge, which is named the "Esplanade Riel Pedestrian Bridge" is only for pedestrian traffic. The vehicular bridge beside it is not a side spar bridge, not unique, and not really shown in the picture. The wording that I reverted stated that the bridge named the Esplanade Riel allows vehicles, which is incorrect. -- JamesTeterenko 21:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homer Simpson, honorary Winnipegger

Was about to add something about Homer Simpson being a honorary Winnipegger based on [[1]] and [[2]], but perhaps a bit trivial. But if Winnie-the-Pooh warrants mention, then I reckon Homer could too. --Ezeu 17:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that a fictional character being an honorary Winnipegger is too trivial to be in Wikipedia. I am lukewarm about Winnie-the-Pooh being mentioned. I believe that Winnie has a much stronger tie to Winnipeg. -- JamesTeterenko 17:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qyd's Work

An excellent job by Qyd to condense the article. Further work should be done to move articles that require further detail to separate headings. In the fall of this year, what are people's thoughts on getting peer reviews of this article? jdobbin 00:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Television and radio

The media list in a city article is meant to contain stations licensed to a city. Stations are only to be listed here if they operate in Winnipeg; stations licensed to Fargo or Grand Forks or Kenora are not to be listed here even if they are available OTA. Bearcat 09:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks on that. I wasn't sure what to put in the template and was going by what I saw on other city wiki entries. Looks more straight forward now. jdobbin 16:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Because of regulation oddities, there have always been Winnipeg stations that were intentionally licensed outside the city. It makes sense to include them. CJBN Kenora might be a stretch, but the Grand Forks and Pembina stations programmed for Winnipeg, while the Fargo stations, which were harder to receive, were fundamentally ND/MN stations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.72.120 (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Moved Pictures

I moved Riel's tomb off the main article main in favour of a statue of him. The politics section should expanded as it starts in 1900 and doesn't encompass the Riel years. jdobbin 16:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename article

I have requested that this article be renamed from "Winnipeg, Manitoba" to "Winnipeg" as this seems to be the new convention in naming the larger Canadian cities. For example the articles on Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa do not include the provinces in their titles. Any thoughts? --142.161.182.225 19:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggest.....How about voting on the issue, by indicating on the talk page whether or not one would support or oppose the name change. We could have a cut off date of say, August 15th? --209.115.235.79 21:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Walker Theatre?

I understand it's been restored in recent years; my grandfather was the conductor of its orchestra until sometime before his death in 1916, and there's currently a redlink on his article at Endre Johannes Cleven. Is it significant enough to ever have an article, or should I take off the link? He also played in the orchestra, I don't know about conducting, at Winnipeg's Orpheum Theatre, whatever that is now, if it still exists. Any input on articles or subjects concerning Norwegian-Canadian immigration and society/cultural organizations in Manitoba that might have other bits of bio? And does anyone have access to the Free Press archives who might be able to look and find the obit and reports on the automobile accident mentioned in his article, which apparently was one of the first traffic fatalities in the Friendly Province?Skookum1 08:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

There will be an eventual article on the Walker Theatre. The library in Winnipeg might have something on the first accident. It won't be on the Free Press website. jdobbin 19:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh-Day-Adventists

Shalom Everyone! I know that in Winnipeg is a Seventh-Day-Adventist Church. Have they German members? RussiaGermans? Simon Mayer.

Undoubtedly, they have all sorts of members from different parts of Winnipeg. They even run retirement homes in Winnipeg. They have seven churches in Winnipeg. jdobbin 19:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What? So many churches!? With Germans I meant people, wich have a Russian-Mennonite origin!

[edit] Article still needs improvement

This article has improved noticibly in recent months and its overall quality has surpassed the articles on Edmonton and Hamilton but is still of a lower calibre than those of Toronto, Calgary, or Vancouver. This article should be modelled on that of Chicago which has received a good quality award. To further improve this article I would suggest:

• add some better photos. The Winnipeg skyline shown is only a portion of the skyline and the photo of Portage Ave. is very unappealing, and essentially a photo of an overhead walkway. The photograph of Union Station is not very kind to what is one of North America's grandest railway stations. A photo of the entire skyline is much needed. I will be adding some photos in the near future. Accordingly, I will be deleting some of the photos currently in this article. Especially needed is a photo at the top of the article.
• shorten or eliminate some sections such as the Famous Winnipeggers one. Such sections can be moved into a sub-article such a good model of which is the Geography and Climate section. The main article can contain a brief summary while the sub-article can provide more detail. The article has become too long.
• Re-organize the article. I would suggest demographics and economy ought to come before government and I am going to merge the content of the architecture section into a new section titled "cityscape." --207.161.43.149 21:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The Famous Winnipeggers section constantly gets new additions. Feel free to move some (all?) to the sub-article List of Winnipeggers. You're other suggestions also sound good. Qutezuce 23:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Any quality improvements by users is completely hampered by other users to have no sense of writing or photography. So why bother? JacobTwo 22:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IN NEED OF IMMEDIATE HELP

Hello fellow wikiholics.

are there any indian (asian indian) resturaunts / shopping in the city??

thanks. owe you guys one, in advance.

[edit] Alexander Begg (journalist)

The writings of this onetime Winnipegger (1867-1884) are a valuable resource for someone interested in that period. Cheers! Stormbay 01:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mergefrom City Place (Winnipeg)

Pl. see discussion at Talk:Cityplace (Winnipeg). Pan Dan 14:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Everyone who has voted has opposed so far. The article just needs cleaning up. (Makes you wonder how many people who start these things, actually live here?) Disinclination 04:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

That was exactly my point--that it's notable only in the context of the city of Winnipeg, which is why it should go in the article on Winnipeg.

But I can't argue with the fact that everyone who has voted has opposed the merge--it's 6 to 1--so I'm going to close the debate and remove the tags. (I'm relatively new to the procedural part of WP, so if there's some other action I have to take to close the debate, please let me know, thanks.) Pan Dan 09:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

XD It's cool. Im not really sure what you do, but thanks for taking the inititiative! Disinclination 04:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hell's Kitchen (Winnipeg)

I question the notability of the above article, and wonder what some of the editors over here think, and if possibly the above should just be merged into this article. Thanks.

forgot to sign above... --Mista-X 08:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I know, at least, that the gang names are true, and their existance. Disinclination 08:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Winnipeg clean-up

The Winnipeg article could use a general clean-up. Should we propose it for a peer review? jdobbin 00:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should. I mean, its pretty good right now, but all advice or critism helps, right? I also think we need to add more Ringette. Yeah, a little POVish, but Manitoba/Winnipeg has the largest Ringette community (I am -going- to find that website I found it on, some day) outside of the Ontario-Quebec area. Er, sorry. Got a little off track. I am Yea for peer-review. :) Disinclination 04:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

You can put it in the sport section. I have sub-divided it but many of those sections, especially curling and university sports need to be filled out more. A peer review would mean many people from outside of Manitoba correcting for grammar, facts, typos, set-up, pictures and the like. It can really improve an article. jdobbin 04:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I -would- have, but the entire Ringette article was completely deleted, and we have to start from scratch. >_> I will, however, add what I can. Disinclination 17:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Still looking for help on the clean-up of the article. If anyone can do proper footnotes that would be great. jdobbin 17:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Using the {{cite web}} template between <ref></ref> tags should do a consistent formating. --Qyd 05:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and get around to many of the footnotes to update them when I have some time. Any help would great. jdobbin 00:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add recent retrieval dates for all of the footnotes. I have done a few. I hope some people could do a few more for the other notes. I will continue to look for citations for other factual claims on the article. jdobbin 17:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Social

... Really? Thats unique (mostly) to Winnipeg? Can we cite this, just in case? If it all possible. o_O Disinclination 20:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Not so much a "Winnipeg" thing ...but certainly unique to Manitoba. I wouldn't want to see it mentioned as being unique to Winnipeg though. Paulsfunhouse 22:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hockey

Why are the Jets given 3 times as much space as the Moose? the Jets belong in the Phoenix section as they are now the Coyotes. Also the Jets didn't really do anything notable during their time in the NHL (the "big leagues" as opposed to the AHL and WHA). If someone wants to read about how great the Jets were they can go look at that article IMHO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.238.25 (talk • contribs)

The reason is that the Jets are still talked about in the news about a team returning to Winnipeg. Also, there was a discussion about this before, and the Winnipeg Jets section was to remain. Disinclination 22:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Festival du Voyageur

I just noticed the appalling lack of information on the Festival, including the fact that it had been going around with the wrong name. Maybe perhaps we could work on it as well? I do have a question though. If we are to take pictures of the sculptures around the city, would we be able to post them up on Wikipedia? I'm assuming they are considered public domain.. but I'm not sure. Disinclination 04:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Your own pictures of the ice sculptures will be okay. Try to put any details you can regarding the pictures though. For example, which street it was on or if you know the artist, you can include that.jdobbin 16:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe some of that info could be added to the St. Boniface, Manitoba article. -- Jimj wpg 04:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that too. But I'm just.. sad.. that the article lacks so little. Disinclination 04:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations to Arts and Culture

I'm trying to add some citations to get rid of the tag. Please check em out and see if I'm of any help at all. :) Thanks. Disinclination 21:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If you are cleaning up the notes, see if you can combine any that are from the same source such as the ones Defence. I just can't seem to get it right although I have fixed some of the notes when I've had some time. jdobbin 16:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CJOB, most popular radio station? For what age group?

While I enjoy listing to CJOB for the occasional sports update or news bulletin, I don't think this is correct, or at least the wording of it. What about teenagers and young adults (13-25)? Most of the people I know in this age group listen to Hot 103 and Q 94 (Or.. Freak 107. Or whatever they are called nowadays). People who are close to my mother's own age (in or around their early 40's), as far as I've known, listen to the rock stations like 92 Citi FM or Power 97 (which plays new and old rock). And then there are the country listeners... It propbably also violates one of many Wikipedia "rules" in that we can't make biased or unreferenced claims, as well. Just thought I should bring this up. Disinclination 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you look at the link below before you assert that a statistic is biased or unreferenced. If anything it is your claims that are unreferenced and simply will not stand up to any meaningful investigation. I hardly know anyone that listens to Freq 107, and usually only women listen to Q94 or Hot 103, because as a rule they do not have very good taste in music (ie. overwhelming preference for bubble gum pop and dance music). Men overwhelmingly listen to Power 97, 92 CITI, or for news & sports CJOB, and I would suggest, just as a matter of common sense, that men listen to the radio far more than women. --206.45.165.35 16:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

In the last BBM ratings, CJOB was atop once again. It is has been consistently one of the strongest radio stations in Canada. No other AM station in Canada has been able to stay number one over all radio stations like CJOB has. It is one of the facts that I am looking to get a citation on.

http://www.mediaincanada.com/articles/mic/20061004/bray.html jdobbin 18:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To the user Random05

Regardless of what you may think of the quality of the roads, the content you have entered is not appropriate for Wikipedia. It is unsubstantiated griping and represents your own point of view. Thus it is against Wikipedia's policies. Every time you enter it, there are more people here who are watching and will remove this content. If you persist, we'll have to request that you are blocked. And by the way, your history shows other instances of vandalism (the queen ain't dead). If you don't have anything useful to contribute, don't bother wasting your time.--Kcumming 18:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question re: Imobilizers

To combat auto theft Manitoba Public Insurance (MPI) brought in the Immobilizer. The Immobilizer is a system installed on vehicles that disables several vehicle systems thus making the vehicle almost unusable to potential thieves. Numerous problems have been found with the Immobilizer, including preventing the owner from starting their vehicle.

Shouldn't this statement have a citation attached to it? Paulsfunhouse 22:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History and Sports

I don't know if this has been brought up, but I think the history and sports sections should be streamlined - link them to History of Winnipeg and Sports in Winnipeg and include in this article only more important bits of information. The new subjects will also allow a greater subject matter; ie: inclusion of local league sports, and sports infrastructure, etc. Vidioman 01:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to creating an offshoot article with the same information that is listed now.jdobbin 15:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Fail

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

This article really needs to be referenced more, maybe a reference or two for each top level section. Also, there needs to be more than just history in the Government section. When these concerns are met feel free to contact me. Greeves ^{(talk • contribs • reviews)} 22:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NEW PIC

Can somone please add this pic for the main photo for winnipeg. The pic thats there is terrible. http://www.manitobaphotos.com/bottom1.jpg

-I agree, the other picture doesnt show enough of the cityscape.

[edit] Neighborhoods

I am of the opinion that the architecture part of the article should be folded into the Geography section. I am also thinking this is a good place to write a neighbourhood section. What do people think? jdobbin 15:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I moved the architecture article to the Culture article. That article still still needs a clean up both on the main page and on the offshoot page. jdobbin 01:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean Up of Sections

I reduced the amount of sections in the table of contents as per guidelines for Wikipedia. I moved some of the articles off the main page altogether. jdobbin 22:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Winnipegcoa.gif

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I just took care of this, I think. Carson 17:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winnipeg Free Press

A Winnipeg Free Press editor wants to do a story on someone from Winnipeg who is an administrator or who contributes most to Wikipedia. I am certainly not that person. Can you help? His contract number is: Morley Walker Books editor/Entertainment columnist Winnipeg Free Press 1355 Mountain Ave. Winnipeg, MB, Canada R2X 3B6

Email: morley.walker@freepress.mb.ca jdobbin 02:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Layout

There is a standard that we use on Wikipedia to make all city articles follow a similar layout. At some point, the article was re-arranged and no longer follows that standard.

The layout is as follows:

• Introduction:
• History
  • major historical events that occurred in city
• Law and government
  • Mayor or City Executive-- current, previous executives
  • representative body?
• Geography
  • Physical geography (area, unique features)
  • Major Parks
  • Transportation
• Economy
  • Major industries/products
• taxes
• Demographics
  • city population
  • racial/ethnic makeup
  • religious makeup
• Sites of interest
• Education
  • Public
  • Private
  • Colleges and universities
• Sports teams
• Notable natives
• (Miscellaneous topics and similar lists)
• External links

You can view a more in-depth explanation here.

I would suggest re-arranging the article to fit that standard, as it would make GA qualification more likely in the future. Vidioman 21:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Superbad City' section

Is it really necessary? vid 03:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. I would heartily endorse it's removal. Kcumming 14:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. 24.76.181.253 00:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coldest?

"According to Environment Canada, Winnipeg is the coldest city in the world with a population of over 600,000"

This should be checked, several Russian cities, all larger than Winnipeg, may well be colder; the best contender is Krasnoyarsk (pop. 900,000), but also Novosibirsk (1.4 million), Omsk (1.1 million), and Chelyabinsk (1 million). The Krasnoyarsk article claims a −56 °C record. - MPF 16:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, we could change it to say 'North America' but then it wouldn't be 'according to environment Canada' anymore. vid 01:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I actually think Edmonton has a colder overall climate then Winnipeg as well!?? jd.101 20:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

	Edmonton	Winnipeg
Average High	8.5	8.3
Mean	2.4	2.6
Average Low	-3.8	-3.1
Source	ec.gc.ca	ec.gc.ca

[edit] Climate Graph

I updated the climate graph. Numbers are now rounded (People can click the source link to see exact numbers; you can add that note if you like though I don't think it is entirely necessary) and I moved the averages up so that they appear on the main body. It is about 3000b shorter, which saves space on the page. If you have any other suggestions for the climate graph leave them on my talk page.

The climate graph has been a little project of mine and I encourage feedback to continue to improve these graphs. :) Thanks.

Also, if you think the graph is too distracting, simply change class="wikitable collapsible" to class="wikitable collapsible collapsed". That will reduce the graph to just the blue bar with the words "Winnipeg Climatological Data [show]", and it's pretty self explanatory on what the reader should do there. :)

More here.

vid 21:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Edited: vid 21:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My rewrite

I moved some stuff today and I also deleted redundant text. I just want to note:

• I didn't notice the layout guidelines above before I saved my edits, so I kind of moved stuff to where it seemed logical to me.
• My brain got of turned to mush halfway through and I couldn't bring myself to re-read the whole article. Sorry if anything looks off.
• Google was being naughty today. I tried to find references for some of the claims in this article but I ended up with a lot of dead links.
• I would have used this picture from the top of 55 Nassau in the infobox (I find the current river skyline picture to be a little dark), but I see that this has been debated already and I don't want to start an edit war.

Anyway, if anybody has any questions, give me a shout. ♦Supāsaru 20:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Winnipeg is a Cree word (for 'muddy waters') being used in English. I has changed slightly from it's original form. It's is pronounced two different ways. These aren't dialects, they tend to change depending on how the same speaker uses the word in a sentence. If we can get some recording of people saying "Winnipeg", that would probably help clear this up. vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 18:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

If this is the case, we shouldn't give two pronunciations. Otherwise people will think there are two distinct pronunciations. The first, which has the e of roses, should suffice. kwami 18:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

But people pronounce it the other way more often.. :P vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 18:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you crackers? People here say it one way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.17.180 (talk) 13:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures...yet again

The current headline picture for the Winnipeg article is too dark in my opinion; it looks too much like a silhouette. Can we please get a GOOD photograph of Winnipeg's skyline without any effects(no special lenses that change the colours, no HDR, no other photoshop/GIMP effects besides the usual basic ones, proper lighting/focus, etc.). We've all seen the pictures I am talking about.

1ajs, you kind of come across with the impression that you want to use Wikipedia as sort of a personal Winnipeg photo gallery. Please remember that the pictures should be good and without abnormal editing/effects. 207.161.10.121 (talk) 13:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the picture currently showing is too dark. I think we could use this one, or maybe the one currently on French Wikipedia. The French one is okay to copy to English Wiki. • Supāsaru 14:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

1ajs here hmm i am just beening hard ball... if yer guna change it call a vote. my pic (current) and the 2 you have chosen(Supasaru). anyone have any other suggestions then? befor we vote?User:1ajs —Preceding comment was added at 03:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

you guys happy with the current one? User:1ajs —Preceding comment was added at 02:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I would personally like to suggest that we use this picture, and be done with it. I think it's neutral, comprehensive, and representative. Pictures that are less representative can always be included in galleries or other parts of the article. Yes, I am aware that I took the picture in question, but that's my "vote". :) Any other opinions? --Kcumming (talk) 17:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It is a nice picture, but I like what Adrian was trying to show with the winter theme. If we could find something between the two... Maybe if you photoshopped some snow into yours? vıdıoman 19:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

how about this during the winter we have a winter shot during the sping a spring shot during the summer a summer shot during the fall a fall shot hows that sound? o and we take turns with the pic while were at it User:1ajs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.177.171 (talk) 02:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seine River

The article only mentions the Red and Assiniboine. Could somebody add some info about the third (small) river, the Seine?

See it enter the Red on google maps at http://maps.google.ca/?ie=UTF8&ll=49.898228,-97.110472&spn=0.005736,0.010686&t=h&z=16&om=0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.163.150.8 (talk) 23:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Collège universitaire de Saint-Boniface

"Higher education

There are four universities and one major college in Winnipeg:

   * University of Manitoba
   * University of Winnipeg
   * Collège universitaire de Saint-Boniface
   * Canadian Mennonite University
   * Red River College"

I see that the CUSB is included in the list of major universities of Winnipeg, as a student from there I know that while it operates seperately, it's officially a part of the University of Manitoba. I'm wondering if maybe the CUSB should be taken off the list, or added underneath the U of M or if we should leave it as it is? (Ghyslyn)

For the Education in Thunder Bay, Ontario article, I listed the main universities in bold and then their sub-colleges or schools or whatever below them. You could try that. Even better, convert it to prose! ;) Make it a paragraph; ie "Winnipeg is home to several post-secondary institutions including..." and then explain everything there. vıdıoman 22:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)