Talk:Windows Vista editions

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[edit] 64 bit

Can the 64 bit editions only be run on a system with a 64 bit prossessor or can they run on a 32 bit prossessor also? --63.65.45.102 04:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

no, however 32bit editions can and often do run on 64bit capable processors --Rythie 15:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Starter edition information complete crap

The limitations mentioned regarding the starter edition are almost complete crap. Maybe do a bit of research before writing something? (There is no memory limit of 256MB, hell, it won't even run with that little, and afaik there is no actual CPU limit either, but rather, the sale of the product is limited to areas where there really isn't anything faster than 2GHz available).

I've fixed this -Rythie 15:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Correct prices?

The prices for the basic edition, as quoted by the article are, US$199.00, £179.99, €259.00 and AU$385.00. £179-99 is $355.63! To put it another way,

USA - $200 (plus tax for whatever state you're buying it in presumably) UK - $356 EURO - $336 Australia - $304

Surely this can't be right, can it? ;) --Mal 13:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

These kinds of price discrepencies are common. Ask any world traveller about it, they'll tell you... -/- Warren 15:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I have travelled the world and I have borne witness to this. It doesn't stop me from highlighting it though, does it? Nor from thinking its a bit of a scam really, but there y'are. You know what opinions are like, I'm sure.. assuming you're a world traveller yourself. --Mal 00:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seriously?

Yes price discrepancies are common, but not like this! Are you trying to tell me that Microsoft actually plans to sell the upgrade of vista ultimate in the UK for £650? That's over US$1200! I could buy a new Dell with Home Premium on it next month for £650! (seriously). Or better yet I could get a MaBook with Tiger for £100 more. Where's the sheet that says these will really be the prices?Nicholas 20:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to add to this. The Aussie Ultimate prices are crazy! AU$1251.00 full and AU$895.00 upgrade God, the full version costs more than a computer which can run Vista for crying out loud. I was informed the full Aussie price for Ultimate is around $750 and the upgrade around $550. Where is the source for these out of this world prices? --Lakeyboy 12:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I can confirm via Amazon.co.uk that the prices on the main article are NOT correct. The full version of ultimate is £369.99 and the upgrade is £249.99. Still more than US, but no where near what the article has them as. They should be updated accordingly. Nicholas 13:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


Canadian prices are wrong. It is 299.99$ for the Home premium, 499.99$ for the ultimate, 259.99$ for the home basic and 379.99$ for the Business all in canadian dollars Future Shop. It's only 0.99$ for all prices ;)

[edit] Ultimate Vista Pricing

In my opinion the article is missing a consideration on the products specifics like the ridiculously crippled "starter Edition" and the incredible price policy. I may accept that there are price diferences between Brazil and USA, but not between USA and Europe, specialy prices 70% higher on European countries! There are other cases like this on other countries. The article could have a section trying to explain the reasons for this. It may seem out of order to put price discussions on an Enciclopedia article, but in this case they seem to be so absurd that it may raise suspition of some hidden intentions from Microsoft. Knowing the real reasons behind this policy could be very important in terms of future defense of consumer rights. I can sugest a couple of reasons for this policy:

-The closing eyes to piracy and the very low prices on poor countries have the objective of avoiding the entrance of Linux. We know that the price of developing software is large, but the real price of a software copy is virtual nil, specialy considering product versions that give no user support.

-Price discrepancys between similar income regions like USA and Europe may be a way of this American company lowering development speed on Europe. Amcgt 00:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Ultimate Vista Pricing (US)

I was checking the pricing for the ultimate and I believe it needs to be readjusted... it's listed as $599 at newegg (god knows why) but can someone confirm this and make changes

Newegg Vista Ultimate

Xeontg 00:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

That's for a 3-pack. A single OEM license is $199 [1] - Indecision 03:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australia pricing

I am Australian and on TV, I saw vista home premium advertised for $179.95 (aus dollars of course). That's a lot less than $300. Could someone please explain this?

Sure it isn't the academic version, or an upgrade version?Harryboyles 11:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure. It was on an advert for a store you may have heard of called harvey norman and it said

"Microsoft is scheduled to release windows vista on january 30th." It then said something about the features. Then "Windows Vista Home premium for only $179.95" Something something something. It had a picture of the box displayed in the article.

Based on the official prices on the article, it must be an academic version. I don't see Harvey Norman selling the full version for $180. Nor the upgrade for two-thirds of the price. That would be just stupid (and I do know what Harvey Norman is as I'm also an Aussie). Harryboyles 14:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Another question which i couldn't find an answer for in the article, what is an academic version and how do upgrade versions work?

You generally need to be a student or teacher to purchase an academic version. Not completely sure how usage rights work. Upgrade versions will usually only install over a previous version of Windows. Regardless, you need to own a legit copy of a previous version of Windows to legally use an upgrade. I presume if you only have Windows XP home, you can only upgrade to Windows Vista home basic but you'd need to check further on that. You can also upgrade between Vista versions altho you don't actually need a seperate DVD for that since the default comes with all versions AFAIK 203.109.240.93 13:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I can confirm that Harvey Norman is selling the Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade Editon with Academic Pricing for $178. To obtain the academic pricing, you must present some sort of school identification to the Harvey Norman staff or you have to pay the normal price for Home Premium Upgrade. Not sure if any other outlets besides Harvey Norman are doing it. --Lakeyboy 01:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] move "editions and pricing" higher up?

Can we please move the "Editions and pricing" section somewhat higher up on the page. I suspect it has information that page visitors would want to see before some of the other sections.--Sonjaaa 16:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay... I moved it under the features section. It's important that we describe the features before we get into editions, so it shouldn't be any higher than that. -/- Warren 23:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

- i think pricing belongs on some marketing blurb, not an encylopedia. (yeah yeah - "it's a FACT" but really, it's so changeable. Junkwaffle 02:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marketing Blurb

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Windows_Vista/Archive_6 for discussion section about this article reading like extracts from a marketing blurb. I think it's a little better now. Junkwaffle 02:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Still not sure why we need a picture of each box on the pricing list - makes the section look more like a catlogue than an article. Junkwaffle 02:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

*shrug* We're discussing retail software, it's not really out of line to show the retail packaging. We have similar images on Mac OS X. -/- Warren 16:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, while not exactly out of line, showing the retail packaging is IMO of little value, merely bloat. The packaging is not the product, and the article isn't titled Windows Vista retail packaging. I also feel that it's not much of an argument that there are similar images on the OS X article; perhaps they shouldn't be there either? I suggest including one representative image of a package, not the entire catalogue (they don't look that different anyway). Naphra 07:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Korean won

The article mentions a Korean won, which hasn't existed since 1910. It must be referring to either a North Korean won or a South Korean won, I assume the latter? Don't want to put it in without knowing that, though - Jack · talk · 14:51, Sunday, 4 February 2007

It's gotta be South Korean, for one thing that's what the KRW abbreviation refers to (North Korea is KPW). I've changed it. DopefishJustin 01:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "support to 2012"

The article suggests (well, makes explicit) that Microsoft will only support Vista to 2012. Since they're also supporting XP to 2012, I wonder if someone hasn't got some wires crossed? 203.129.54.183 02:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An image of WV Starter now appears to be available

At [2]

(I don't know how to upload pictures) 86.146.166.215 13:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dream Scene inaccuracy

Part of this article states that "Dream Scene" was available immediately after launch. This is incorrect. A technical preview of Dream Scene was released several days after the launch, however the full version of this utility has yet to be released. Dino213aa 17:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update

Added Brazilian prices —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.146.101.189 (talk) 14:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Full Version/Upgrade

I have Windows XP at the moment and if I download the full version of a Vista product will it be any different from downloading a upgrade?

[edit] System Builder Edition

Warrens told me to direct the following question to this discussion board:

Would it be important to add a section--a blurb, even--which deals with the System Builder licenses/editions of Vista which Microsoft releases? It's an OEM version of their software. I don't know how much, or if at all, Microsoft OEM software has been pushed in the past, but many internet retailers seem to be carrying it. The license is a bit more restrictive and there is no support from microsoft, but that is traded off with a cheaper price: Windows Vista 32-Bit Ultimate System builder is $189USD; 64-Bit goes for $199USD as of 3/28.

This OEM software is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license, including the responsibility of providing all end-user support for the software.

The full text of the license is available here: http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/2007_SB_Licenses/English.pdf Kingsean 13:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WinSAT

There is no hint anywhere on Microsoft related websites that WinSAT is an Ultimate-only feature. Yet it is listed here under the Ultimate description. Confusing, at best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.59.213.50 (talk) 14:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Why is there an article of this subject?

May I ask the editors of this article what is the motivation for having an article about an ever-changing retail-value of a piece of software? If individuals wish the current updated price they can use pricerunner or similar. I personally see no need for any information about price, though the comparisons between the different versions is good. Fred26 11:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Windows Vista Starter

Has the Starter edition not shipped yet? It seems everything in the article about this version is written in future tense. Josh the Nerd 17:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Josh

[edit] Pricing comparisons

I removed this line

  1. The prices quoted in GB£ refer to the price paid, and not a simple exchange of prices in US$. For example, the price of the Home Basic edition in the UK is GB£179.99. Based on the exchange rate on Feb 16, 2007, this is US$350.87, approximately 75% more than the US price (The converse price in the UK would be GB£102.57).

It is unreferenced and therefore likely OR. More importantly it was extremely simplistic and misleading. Firstly the price in all regions including the UK refers to the RRP, not the price paid. The actual price paid may be lower or higher depending on retailer. (Amazon.co.uk for example currentlys sells at below the RRP). Secondly, the exchange rate used should surely be the 2006 one when these prices were set, not the 2007 one. Most importantly, whoever did this comparison appears to have completely forgotten the UK prices includes 17% VAT. If someone wishes to re-include a price comparison, I suggest they at least use a good source. For example, I came across this source [3] which at least does a half decent job at doing a proper comparison (and comes out with the conclusion that while the price is higher, not nearly as much as people are making out) Nil Einne 07:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade Limited Numbered Signature Edition

Does this info need to be included with the info for Vista Ultimate? Having it in the same place can mislead readers into thinking that there are only 20000 copies of Ultimate being made... At least I thought so after quickly browsing through.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Windows Vista Business Box.png

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Windows Vista Home Basic Box.png

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Windows Vista Starter Box Image.gif

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[edit] Images of Retail boxes

These images are purely decorative. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. these do not. I have tagged the section with {{non-free}} Rettetast 20:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pricing Information

I'm being bold and removing the pricing information from this article. Per this AFD, consensus seems to be that Wikipedia is not a sales catalogue. If anyone has any objections, feel free to revert me and leave a note on my talk page so we can discuss in a civil manner. shoy (words words) 00:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Windows Vista 64 article

I am not bothered if the Windows Vista 64 remains or is merged, but I think the 64-bit editions should be given more cover, and I was surprised that no such article was found when I searched when this article was first created. I also think this article could expand and be relevant. I must say it is not covered in this article at this time. The only thing I recommend is that a proper merge is performed so that a) nothing is lost and b) the section is clearly defined. I also take note of the name issue and propose renaming Windows Vista 64 to Windows Vista 64 editions. Cheers.--Triwbe (talk) 18:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Why has this merge been done before any discussion has taken place? I am very disappointed that this has happened. I will certainly not start an edit war but I think you had better refresh your yourself on the principles of etiquette and of consensus. I have started the discussion, but you have not contributed and simply acted unilaterally without consideration and without proper discussion or consensus. I still feel that the 64-bit edition has significant issues (advantages, disadvantages, problems) that may not be properly addressed in the condensed article and would be better presented in a seperate article. I hope you will take your time and reflect on your actions. --Triwbe (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Write them into this article, then, and if you come up with enough content to merit splitting it into a separate article, then we can split it off. Speaking as someone who has worked on Windows Vista articles on Wikipedia for two and a half years, I can pretty much guarantee that you won't be able to find a significant amount of content on the issue. Either trust me on that, or prove me wrong with a significant amount of well-sourced, neutral content that doesn't engage in original research. Thanks. -/- Warren 20:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

You do not have to quote your experience, I checked you out as I am sure you did me :-) But I do not need to trust you. As I said, I am not bothered and will leave the merge as it is. I am not a main contributer, just tyding up and checking. But please try to remember the correct procedures. If there has been previous discussions on this subject (perhaps archived) then you should let us know.

As to its future? I am curious to see. I know I have a lot of questions, but working in a mainly clerical environment I have no professional interest in the 64-bit editions. So my questions would be; who is using it? why? how? what are the problems, and if I have questions I am sure many others do also. Quite a large scope for valid material me thinks. --Triwbe (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I have undid the merge as unwarranted and heavy handed. In my opinion, the "WIndows Vista editions" article was about Vista 32 bits. At best, 64 bits is, even now, an afterthought and a postscript. It needs its own page. As the page creator, I undid the merge. Thank you for your consideration. If you choose, you may contribute some valuable content to the page. --Marcwiki9 (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)