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[edit] metaphorical windows

Would it be appropriate to add a section about the metaphorical use of the word 'window,' such as 'launch window,' 'window of opportunity?,' 'window dressing,' and (perhaps) 'I don't do windows?' 165.91.65.108 (talk) 02:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)RKH

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Church windows with cross. Salzburg, Austria (April 2002).
Church windows with cross. Salzburg, Austria
(April 2002).

Terminology varies a lot in the window and glass industries, but in "Window Materials", the statement: "Such a grille is called "glazing bars", "astragals", "muntins", "muntin bars" or "mullions"." I don't believe astrigal or mullion are applicable to what that paragraph is discussing. a mullion is pretty much strictly a load bearing part of the window. A result of, but not function of it's presence is that there is a seperate pane or panes of glass on each side of it.

Also, might be good to start a section in the article about glass coatings on windows? Anyone with some expertise? I'm no expert, but have a tiny bit of knowledge on it. Magu 10:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What about a transom? Would that be a type of window or a technical term? I know it's mentioned under 'window materials', but certain transoms are actually windows themselves.--Anchoress 21:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Terminology in the window and glass industry tend to vary a lot. Practically, I think since a transom is essentially a part of a door, it's not considered a window on it's own. It seems to me this would simplify inventory, ordering and manufacturing within a window company. Technically, it is a window... That is above a door. Some may disagree and I really can't say they would be wrong. Magu 10:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
To simplify my above comment, I believe it is a part of a door, as a transom is nothing without a door to be attached to. It serves no function or purpose, except to be above a door.

“Sunni Muslims hold that the window is a gateway to sin.” This absurd notion has nothing to do with Islam if in fact it even exists. At best it is a result of (possibly) confusing folklore with religion and at worst it is an attempt to maliciously malign the Islamic religion. In either case it is not factual and does not belong in the article. The comical attempts at creating “Arabic” terms expose the author's ignorance. “Astaghfir” does not mean forbidden. Likewise “ash-shaytan ar-rajeem Allah” is a nonsensical phrase that does not mean “against the will of God”.

In Christianity, the Gospel of Matthew is the only Gospel to refer to Christ’s use of an ornate window during the Last Supper.

Where in the Gospel of Matthew is this stated? I couldn't find it and I, like most people, don't have access to Cairns book.

I couldn't find it either and have no idea what it's referring to; a search of the entire NIV NT of "window" brought up nothing. Honestly the whole religion/window category is sort of odd and out of place in this article. Should it be deleted? --Toastedcheese 21:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes same here, the Gospel Matthew reference to a window needs removing, it isn't there in any English version of the bible that I've seen and it isn't in the original Greek. Even if Cairns book (I don't have it either) does contain such a claim it is something easily refuted by opening a bible. The statement is inaccurate at best, possibly a little sectarian for such a neutral topic! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.179.83 (talk) 10:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, well I've now checked the Cairns book (its available on google books) and p212 is about the "supremecy of the papacy 1054 - 1305" and doesn't mention Windows at all. I'm going to remove the questionable sentence - hope thats the correct procedure (newbie). Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.179.83 (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sun incidence angle

Uses the term "idiot" to describe historic window designers. little neutrality in the statement. Also the term fenestration is used, and it may be appropriate to provide a link for it or define it better. Unnecisairy latinization when it would be more clear to say 'window installation'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.227.100.250 (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect to 70.227.100.250, fenestration is a perfectly good architectural term and the disambiguation page covers this as well as ancillary meanings. The original author's only fault lies in that he did not link it to the Wikipedia article (which will be done shortly). Just for reference, following are several links (picked at random from Google) which one might reasonably refer to for further information as regards window design and placement in solar home building. JimScott 04:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
* Passive solar building design
* Passive Solar Design thoughts from the DoE
* Passive Solar Building Design Guidelines as proposed to City of Santa Barbara in December 2006
* Passive Solar Building Design worksheet provided by the Queensland Sustainable Energy Industry Development Group in 2004
* Solar Building Design article in Backwoods Home Magazine written by Steven Heckeroth

[edit] Judaism and windows

References supporting the practice of gazing out of a window while reciting a Torah portion in any Jewish community would be appreciated. Furthermore, there are some significant errors in the use of Hebrew - "aruchat boker" translates to "morning meal" (= "breakfast"), and not "morning prayer" (usually "shacharit"). The Hebrew writing that supposedly spells "aruchat boker" actually reads "shulchan aruch" (= a set of codified Jewish laws). Neither, to my knowledge, has anything specific to do with Bar Mitzvah rituals involving windows. Correction to the Hebrew and references in evidence of the practice described would be useful.

This whole section should be deleted. There is no special connection between Judaism and windows. Even if there was some esoteric Karaite custom of this sort 100 years ago, devoting a whole paragraph to it here is ridiculous. If there is a page on Wikipedia about Karaite Jews, maybe it would make more sense there.
Gilabrand 13:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

The first image should be the most representative of a generic window, not a highly specialized artistic one. — Omegatron 18:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This discussion should include a diagram depicting the various components of a window such as pane, sash, mullion, transom, muntin, etc.

Also, the caption of the sixth image from the top incorrectly states that the viewing window at the Monterey Bay Aquarium is the largest. According to the Monterey Bay Aquarium website, http://www.mbayaq.org/aa/aa_history/aa_faq.aspx, it measures 17 feet (5.2 meters) high and 56 feet (17 meters) wide making it the largest at the time it was built. The Georgia Aquarium, currently the largest aquarium in the world, has the second largest viewing window. According to their website, http://www.georgiaaquarium.org/exploreTheAquarium/oceanVoyager.aspx, it measures 23 feet (7 meters) tall by 61 feet (18.6 meters) wide, making it nearly 50% larger than the one at Monterey Bay. The largest, however, is a full 42% larger than the one at the Georgia Aquarium and more than twice the size of the one at Monterey Bay. It is located at the Okinawa Churaumi Aquarium in Japan and is an amazing 26.9 feet (8.2 meters) high by 73.8 feet (22.5) meters wide (http://www.kaiyouhaku.com/en/info/detail.html).69.15.3.26 15:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Ashley Mims

[edit] Question on Shi'ite custom

I have reverted a recent edit whereing user 130.209.6.40 challenges an assertion in the article. I reproduce that reverted edit here, so that is may be discussed on this talk page rather than the main article:

It is common for many Shi’ite families, particularly in Iran, to gather at a window and recite the prayer of As-sallamu (Arabic:علي بن أﺑﻲ طالب Farsi:علی پسر ابو طالب). This is in reverence to the Imam Ali who was stood at a window before receiving a mortal head wound on the 19th of Ramadan 661.
This information is false and innacurate! - It should be either deleted or verified!

I take no position; I simply am moving the question here. But perhaps the editor who added this information could provide more detail from the cited source or make any corrections or clarifications needed. Kablammo 16:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I have quoted the source word for word, and unfortunately I can't really expand on it any further.Hamilton Fry 18:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This whole section should be deleted. There is no special connection between Judaism and windows. Even if there was some esoteric Karaite custom of this sort 100 years ago, devoting a whole paragraph to it here is ridiculous. If there is a page on Wi.kipedia about Karaite Jews, maybe it would make more sense there. (Gilabrand 13:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Window materials

Please make understanding easier... explain what glazing is more clearly, i couldn't understand it (not even reading it 4 times) so upgrade that please... Luis Camuñas 05:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] History of windows - when did the first glazed windows appear?

The article is vague. There should be some sort of detail. When did people start living in homes with glass windows? This question needs answering Gregpalmerx 10:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)