Talk:Winchester Model 1897

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Contents 1 Trench Guns 2 Slam fire 3 Re: "Slam fire" 4 Warcrime

[edit] Trench Guns

While I appreciate the contributions, the Model 12 did not replace the model 1897. There were lots of them, but many 97's were also used years after you state. There were also a few Ithacas, a few Remingtons, lots of Stevens of various models, and probably others. The Model 12 never replaced the model 1897.--Asams10 17:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slam fire

I'm not sure, but I have read M97s made before 1975 had slam fire. Slamfire is a feature that allowed the racking of the slide to discharge rounds so long as the trigger was depresed. Dose anyone know about this?

[edit] Re: "Slam fire"

That would be what the following sentence is talking about:

Unlike most modern pump-action shotguns, the Winchester Model 1897 (versions of which were type classified as the Model 97 or M97 for short) fired each time the action closed with the trigger depressed (that is, it lacks a trigger disconnector).

"Slamfire" is not a feature so much as a manufacturing shortcut (or in the case of this early gun, the lack of a refinement). The Ithaca Model 37 also lacks a disconnect. Some say it's useful in combat, but you can argue pretty convincingly that the disconnect adds reliability, another feature to be desired on a combat gun. MisterFitz 06:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warcrime

Is it worth mentioning that use of this trench gun was considered a warcrime by the Germans, until resolved after the war that it wasn't because they law they were citing (from the Geneva Convention or something older from like the 1800s, maybe the first Hague, forgot which, actually here looking for it) said something about how a weapon was illegal if used to cause prolonged pain and injury without a great likely hood of death (at least not in the immediate future, basically no guns that just torture people, they have to kill em). Shotguns passed thru on the understanding that they were meant to cause death, instances of extreme injury from buckshot all over without immediate death were flukes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 07:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)