Talk:William Randolph Hearst
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[edit] broken english
"........Hemp become never a treat to wood-pulp in other countries where hemp still was legal to harvest..... " someone please correct this grammar, its nonsensical. It's written near the end of his 'criticism' paragraph 70.170.106.156 (talk) 06:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Garbage
He was an evident nazi sympathizer and published much propaganda works from Germany until he was forced to stop it. And this wiki article mentions none of that!
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He published news material supplied by Nazis in 1935 that contains wrong propaganda on Ukrainian famine for defaming Stalin. He was one of the first persons who alleged that Stalin killed around 6 millions of Ukrainians. William Hearst – Friend of Hitler
[edit] which one?=
it says in one paragraph he was born in sf, but in the table it says he was born in ringwood, nj. which one is right?
It's San Fran Whitesoxfanatic 20:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] comment
changed the languaging where it previously appeared that Marion Davies was the wife of Hearst and that Orson Welles owned RKO studio. Jay 11:29, Sep 6, 2003 (UTC)
My source for Hearst's having been expelled from Harvard ,for the chamber pot stunt, is Imperial Hearst by Ferdinand Lundberg.Tjc 10:48, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why does this article rely on a book by a Canadian Stalinist that apparently embarrassed even the Canadian Communist Party whose press originally printed it (it was soon withdrawn from circulation) and which has about as much reliability about the Ukrainian faminine as Holocaust deniers have about the Holocaust? See http://www.artukraine.com/famineart/mace16.htm
The family section needs to be re-thought, as it seems at the moment to just be an excuse to mention Patty Hearst. On that subject, Patty Hearst wasn't pardoned by President Carter, she was pardoned by President Clinton shortly before his retirement from presidency. President Carter commuted her sentence. His five sons are mentioned only very briefly, and their families not at all. Patty could be mentioned under her own heading, much like the Thomas Ince affair.
[edit] Wash Times
Removed Washington Times from the list of newspapers he owned (the Times was started by the Unification Church in the 1980s, way after Hearst's time.)
Added Washington Times back to the list of newspapers he owned.
The current Washington Times publication has nothing to do with the previously existing newspaper of the same name, which was established in 1893 and later became the Times-Herald, and then The Post. See 'Notes' under the wiki:Washington Times page.
[edit] spanish american war
"Hearst did cause the Spanish-American War of 1898, and he certainly publicized it, trying to sell more copies than his rival Pulitzer."
Hearst caused it? How responsible is that statement?
[edit] POV
This article is a mess. Not withstanding the above comment about the Spanish-American War (which is absolutely false: see Yellow Journalism), the piece engages in the laziest, most stereotypical discussion of Hearst's politics and journalism without providing any context whatsoever -- for a start:
- Hearst "routinely invented sensational stories, faked interviews, ran phony pictures and distorted real events." And so did almost every other newspaper of the time; ideas of objectivity had not taken hold in American journalism, and readers expected fiction in their stories (See David Nasaw, The Chief: The Life of William Randolph Hearst, p.79).
- The lead does not summarize the article; it merely lays a litany of attacks on Hearst without summarizing his life or his role in the history of journalism.
- "While World War II restored circulation and advertising revenues, his great days were over." Er, no. Hearst papers benefitted from a post-war boom in circulation and were probably as profitable as they had ever been upon his death in 1951.
- "Conceding an end to his political hopes, Hearst became involved in an affair with popular film actress and comedienne Marion Davies (1897–1961), and from about 1919 he lived openly with her in California." I've never read any source that says that Hearst started his affair because his "political hopes" were over. Not only was it common for rich men to "keep" women (Nasaw, 67), Nicholas Longworth shows us that one could engage in romantic affairs and still assume political power. Hearst was a frequent theater-goer, and whatever his reasons for getting into a relationship with Marion Davies, politics was not one of them.
- "The Self-Serving Lie" -- I have no idea what this is doing in a biography of Hearst; at best, it deserves a single line or movement into an article about marijuana.
Beyond this, the article desperately needs an expanded section on Citizen Kane, the growth of his empire, the New York Journal's 1890 heyday and Hearst's other media outlets (magazines and movies).--Idols of Mud 14:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV
The fact that this man published statements about marijuana using his publications to serve his financial needs in a manner that has had reprucussions on MILLIONS of lives is no small fact to be relegated to a topic that will be seen by very few. People need to see what this man did with his papers. A lie perpetrated that I find closely related to my life.
[edit] Article is a mess up top
The article is a mess, the first 6 areas is just three topics that are duplicated. I'm going to go ahead and delete the repeated ones Whitesoxfanatic 20:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Harvard?
I read in World Book that he was kicked out of Harvard for a practical joke but it didn't say what if someone knows it would make good trivia
[edit] Liberal to Conservative?
"He was a prominent leader of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party from 1896 to 1935, when he suddenly came to his senses and turned conservative." When he suddenly came to his senses and turned conservative? This doesn't seem very subjective.
Changed the heading to "Falling out with FDR" until actual examples are given. Also, is this liberal->conservative in the circa-2007 sense of those terms? Does this make sense to even apply to this time period? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.238.221.214 (talk) 11:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
- Both points here are good. It's ridiculously opinionated to say he "suddenly came to his senses and turned conservative." Also, it's true: liberal and conservative implied different things in the 1920s. I have a biography of Hearst, "The Chief," and I'll mark this on my to-do list of articles that need a lot of TLC from a good source like that. --JayHenry 03:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mother's name
Generally given as Phoebe, but one reference in this article calls her "Sally Hearst". Is this simply a typo? Rickrbj 17:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Most expensive US house on sale
I made a mistake in my first edit add, so I had to undo it by just adding the link at the end of the sentence. His house is now on record us sale. BBC News.
--Florentino floro 08:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hearst and hemp
"was threatened by hemp" is simply not true. The cost per ton i about 6 times higher for paper from hemp. Read the article hemp for more information.--Dala11a 22:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Newsflash, this isn't the 1930'sKevin j (talk) 00:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Plagiarism
The opening paragraphs were plagiarized directly from: <http://harvardlampoon.com/?q=node/76>
They need to be rewritten.
[edit] Later life?
There seems to be nothing in here about his life after WWII. In fact, I don't really see anything after the 1930's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigmac31 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hearst Wealth
Doesn any one know what his net worth was at his peak and what it is currently today? Also what newspapers, magazines etc are still owned by this family name?
- I have the Hearst biography The Chief by David Nasaw. In 1935 Fortune magazine estimated his worth at $140,000,000. There's a lot of different ways to adjust for inflation. According to the westegg calculator, that'd be a little over $2 billion today. Hearst's wealth was always difficult to assess because he operated an enormous number of companies, and moved his assets around to take out enormous loans. Nasaw doesn't attempt any other estimates of Hearst's net worth. The article at Hearst Corporation discusses the properties owned today. --JayHenry (talk) 02:30, 11
February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The hemp conspiracy
The only presented source for this conspiracy is an article from 1916. The rest is opinions by somebody who is not an expert on production of paper with wood pulp.
What happened with the technology for wood-pulp after 1916? From the article about hemp.
"New technology has allowed for more environmentally-friendly paper production from wood pulp, the recovery boiler invented in the early 1930s, ECF (Elemental Chlorine Free),[1] or TCF (Total chlorine Free) bleaching, better fiber filters etc. has created less of a demand for alternative raw materials. Hemp is currently of little significance as raw material for paper, however it is still scarcely grown in the developed world. The long-term price for pulpwood has been low compared with any alternative except recycled paper. More about wood pulp technology in Bleaching of wood pulp."
"There is a niche market for hemp paper, but the cost of hemp pulp is approximately six times that of wood pulp, mostly due to the small size and outdated equipment of the few hemp processing plants in the Western world. Hemp pulp is bleached with hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide can also be used for wood pulp"
- Of the approximately 247 active recovery boilers in the U.S. (in about half as many mills), about 82 have direct contact evaporators (Figure 1). The oldest boilers operating today were commissioned during the mid-1930s.(Pulp & Paper, Feb 1997 by Finchem, Kirk J)[1]
And what happened with the wood pulp industry in the 1930s later in countries where it was legal to harvest hemp? The wood-pulp industry has been the winner everywhere. So if the managers in Hearst not were swindled that hemp was a treat, where is the evidence for that, the theory seems very very unlikely.--Dala11a (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
