Talk:William M. Branham/Archive 2
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[edit] Kelly A. Siebecke: edits
Most of the changes are insignificant but there are two I disagree with: 1. There were/are many Christians(Pentecostals particularly) who believe William Branham was a prophet, even though they disagree with some of his teachings and do not regard themselves as "followers" (among these were Gordon Lindsay, T L Osborn, Kenneth Hagin).
2. You have deleted a comment about the influence William Branham had on evangelists at that time. I will do a little research and include a comment, with references, that indicates the extent of that influence. Rev107 01:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
And here it is:
"As the pacesetter of the healing revival, Branham was the primary source of inspiration in the development of other healing ministries. He inspired hundreds of ministers to enter the healing ministry and a multitude of evangelists paid tribute to him for the impact he had upon their work. As early as 1950, over 1,000 healing evangelists gathered at a Voice of Healing [the name of Branham’s magazine] convention to acknowledge the profound influence of Branham on the healing movement" <Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1988), p. 372.
The sentence you deleted: His ministry had effects felt around the world, and it fostered a number of other ministers who became internationally known.
Those who became internationally known and who paid tribute to William Branham included T L Osborn, Tommy Hicks, and probably Oral Roberts (according to Harrell, p42)
Rev107 07:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
I have been attempting to add references to the article on William Branham. It is my first foray into Wikipedia, so my apologies to those who may have been notified of numerous changes - they are all to do with providing references, as well as a few minor alterations to spelling, grammar, and style. I have not attempted to alter the content. Rev107 01:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC) ____________________________________________________________________
Well, I think I might have finally finished adding references ... sorry about being so long and messy about it. If you've got any comments or suggestions, please contact me. I added a few extra comments and quotes, but I do not think I have altered the points anyone else has made, even though I did make a few changes here and there for the sake of clarity or grammar ... can't help it ... I was a school teacher most of my life!!! God bless. Rev107 07:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV
I tagged this article as POV because much of it simply repeats Branham's own claims uncritically. David L Rattigan 10:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Branham was most definatly not a mason.
Flagged NPOV again, someone is unflagging, sigh. Worst offender: "The true followers of William Branham distance themselves ..."
This article is extremely biased against William Branham - this was quoted from the article before I edited it:
"Branham felt that women were the root of all evil"
This could not be further from the truth! Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to say such a lie as this? Pardon me for getting excited, but we have no idea how many people now think of Brother Branham as an evil, imbecillic man because of this unfounded writing. Whoever said that should have a severe warning. NOWHERE did Brother Branham say this. And I have looked. All he said was that they have an evil spirit on them when he was talking about immoral clothing and when casting out demons at a prayer line. Talk about a non-neutral point of view! SplinterCell37 13:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Current Followers and Main Belief
This section doesn't exactly make sense about what is being said. Some may believe that but that isn't the view shared by all Message Believers. This seriously needs a better NPOV. 67.142.130.23 19:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC) JCP
- This section is evidently related to a particular faction and not really applicable here and should probably be put as a separate entry or deleted.
- I agree. Strawberry Island 04:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
- I have had a look at this section, and also find it somewhat unusual - A lot (maybe all?) the followers believe this interpretation of scripture, but to call it the main belief?? I have added a preface to this section. See what you think. Maybe we should remove this section altogether. Malachi456 03:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
In the absence of any message to the contrary, I have removed this section. Malachi456 10:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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- It should be a seperate entry and removed from this page It has a very highly charged POV.
[edit] Prophecy or not. UPDATED WITH PROOF
I found
"that by 1977 all denominations would be consumed by the World Council of Churches under the control of the Roman Catholics, that the rapture would take place, and that the world would be destroyed." (Burgess and McGee, Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements, 96)
However this is quite a jump from what the article pages says! It's also the only _source_ I could find. The transcripts of (at least some of) his sermons are online, the one I found (http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=1074) mentions WCC in a negative biblical context but that's about it (although I didn't read the whole thing).
I think we need a more authoratiative reference to say that he made the statemnt, and that he claimed it was divinly inspired prophecy.
I have removed this text until we have an authority.
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- I agree, as far as I can see Branham never made such a statement as prophecy Malachi456 03:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
At least one of his prophecies - that all Christian denominations would be controlled by the World Council of Churches by 1977 - [[Timeline of unfulfilled Christian Prophecy has come to fruition.
Rich Farmbrough 19:15, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Brother Branham said is several documented places that he "predicted" this, not prophesied. He specifically made that distinction. 8 Times between 1960 and 1961 he spoke about this and clarified it as a personal prediction.
--Hesaias 02:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
HERE IS SOME PROOF!
Here are some actual quotes taken from transcripts of Brother Branham's messages, in an Infobase file provided by Voice of God Recordings.
[This is while he was reading from a piece of paper, on which he had written the vision]
CONDEMNATION.BY.REPRESENTATION_ JEFF.IN V-2 N-13 SUNDAY_ 60-1113 Then I seen the United States as one smoldering, burnt-over place. It will be near the end. (Then I've got in parenthesis: "I predict that this will take place." Now, remember, the Lord ne... That's what the Lord showed, but "I predict this will take place before 1977.")
For those who can't quite understand his English: he is saying that the Lord didn't show him the world would end by 1977, but that was just his prediction, as a man, not the word of God.
I have another quote:
CONFERENCE_ SHREVEPORT.LA FRIDAY_ 60-1125 [E-7] Then I turned to look and I seen the United States was a smoldering something had burned it up. And down beneath there I said, not in the trance, but, "I predict..." (remember this, I guess this is taped too), "I predict that these things will take place between now, 1933 and 1977."
I'd like to draw your attention to "not in the trance, but, I predict". For the spiritually illiterate, this means that it wasn't the voice of God that was predicting it to be 1977, it was only William Branham - the man, NOT the vision.
Need some more quotes?
EPHESIAN.CHURCH.AGE_ JEFF.IN ROJC 131-183 MONDAY_ 60-1205 ...and I don't know when it'll end, but I predict it'll be done by 1977. I predict, not the Lord told me, but I predict it according to a vision that was showed me some years ago, that five of those things has (out of the seven)--has already taken place about...
LAODICEAN.CHURCH.AGE - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK CPT.9 THE LAODICEAN AGE The Laodicean Age began around the turn of the Twentieth Century, perhaps 1906. How long will it last? As a servant of God who has had multitudes of visions, of which NONE has ever failed, let me predict (I did not say prophesy, but predict) that this age will end around 1977.
LAODICEAN.CHURCH.AGE - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK CPT.9 Based on these seven visions, along with the rapid changes which have swept the world in the last fifty years, I PREDICT (I do not prophesy) that these visions will have all come to pass by 1977.
LAODICEAN.CHURCH.AGE_ JEFF.IN ROJC 493-550 SUNDAY_ 60-1211E 43 We believe that the Laodicean church started in A.D. 1906. I predict... Now, remember, "predict," especially you listening at the tape. I don't say it will be, but predict that it will end by 1977, that the church will go completely into apostasy, and she'll be ousted out of the mouth of God. And the second coming, or the rapture of Christ, might come anytime. Now, I could miss that a year; I can miss it twenty years, I could miss it a hundred years. I don't know where. But I just predict that according to a vision He showed me, and taking the time, the way it's progressing, I say it'll be sometime between '33 and '77. At--at least, this great nation is going to strike a war that's going to blow it to bits. See? Now, that's pretty close; it's awful close. And I could be wrong; I'm predicting.
Now, remember that Brother William Branham HAD to be so adamant about the fact that it was just a prediction and not a prophesy, in order to avoid confusion which has already manifested here. As such, he cannot be accused as a false prophet like the article currently does. Unless someone can provide me with opposing evidence, I'm going to edit the article accordingly. If I make a mistake, please correct it.
SplinterCell37 12:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyrighted Material?
http://www.bibleway.org/wmb/ is a page I found where the text appears very similar (almost verbatim) to the original article. We may have clean the article up a lot more fully One Salient Oversight 04:47, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Where to find information
You can find information about William Branham at The Voice of God Recordings. They are involved in the translation and distribution of his sermons and books (free of charge). On the website you can search all 1,179 of his known recorded sermons transcribed directly from the tapes. Voice of God Recordings is run by William Branham's sons Joseph and Billy Paul Branham.
I should mention Voice of God Recordings is a nonprofit organization, however there is a charge of $1.00 per book and $4.00 per tape for the people in the US and Canada. They use this money along with other contributions to distribute William Branham's message in book, tape, mp3, and DVD format to the rest of the world free of charge.
William Branham’s entire collection of sermons is on the Internet in a searchable InfoBase at the branham.org web site under “Message Search.”
