Talk:William Kay

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Contents 1 Conflict of interest 1.1 Sources

[edit] Conflict of interest

This article appears to be a conflict of interest. I have posted it here. Wikipedia strongly discourages writing articles about oneself or one's spouse. Additionally, although this looks as if it was undertaken in good faith, I can't easily verify anything by following the links in the article. --Steven J. Anderson 18:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if I am allowed to contribute to talk about an article about me, but it is quite simple to verify most facts in that article, in three ways. One, refer to the British edition of Who's Who, which is generally regarded as a reliable source. Two, go to the websites of the currently published newspapers I mention, and type my name in the search box. Three, email other contacts at relevant institutions to confirm my claimed connections. Billkay 17:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, nearly all my books are on amazon. Billkay 18:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to link all of those sources, using a wikilink or HTML tags, to the article. Better yet, ask someone else you know (not you live-in girlfriend), or an editor (Wikipedian), to make those links. Bearian 17:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

As I said at WP:COI/N, the content of the article is fine. It just needs sourcing according to the Wikipedia conventions. Because of the open editorship system and policy against original research credibility by personal authority (i.e. asking people) is out, and we have to go by credibility by publication (i.e. the fact has been published by a reliable third-party source).

It's certainly OK to guide contributors to sources about yourself via the Talk page. As Bearian said, it's meremly that conflict of interest needs to be seen to be avoided. Tearlach 18:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC) Happy to assist in establishing links and citations. Headlinemoney.co.uk and Queen's College can confirm the awards they made. As to the emigration category, that may not be publicly available, although I do of course have the relevant documentation.Billkay 19:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Headlinemoney.co.uk and Queen's College can confirm the awards they made

Nope. As I said previously, it's required here that sources be published. I am genuinely sorry if this comes across as weird and arbitrary (in the real world, your reputation as a writer is known, so it's more than sufficient to trust your statements). But it doesn't work that way here. The sole criterion for inclusion is that facts have been previously published by reliable third-party sources. Tearlach 00:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I have been unable to find reliable sources for "Open Styring Scholarship," "invited to emigrate," and Now! newsmagazine and Equities Magazine writing by Mr. Kay. These items have {{fact}} tags because they need citations. By the way, access to Huntington Library materials is extremely restricted: if Mr. Kay's privileges there are to be included, that needs citation as well. — Athaenara ✉ 01:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I found three hits in the Times archive - 1930s-early 1960s - referring to people being a Styring Scholar at Oxford. It's probably that.

I agree Huntington access is highly restricted, but I meant, is access notable as a qualification or biographical fact? They grant reader access for specific research, for which credentials are appropriate given the rarity of the materials; it's not a badge of honour like getting the gold key to the executive washroom. Tearlach 12:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

As I wrote earlier, the simplest way to confirm my open scholarship is to contact Queen's College via its website. As Now! magazine lived and died well before electronic databases became widespread, the likeliest sources are the British Museum Newspaper Library in north London - though I have some copies. Equities magazine: again, its website. I have no view on the significance or otherwise of the Huntington readership. However, I do wish to thank whoever found the ISDN numbers for my books. Billkay 21:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

And as I wrote earlier, personal contact is no use here, unless it can lead to a published source for this information. Honestly, we are not getting at you. This is how Wikipedia functions: information must come from published sources.

Equities magazine: again, its website

Been there.[1] No reference I can find to your work. I'd be fairly pissed off (if I were a journalist with seriously good credentials) with working for a magazine that didn't mention me in its media kit. Tearlach 01:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missed your earlier reference to published sources. I take your point re Now!, my immigrant status and my Oxford scholarship, probably no published records extant, so best delete. Re Equities magazine, they don't like publishing the current edition for fear of cannabilising sales, so I may not appear on the website until the next edition appears and the current one goes to archive. I am of course in the print version. Billkay 00:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)