Talk:William F. Friedman

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[edit] Split Elizabeth into separate article?

Shouldn't information on Elizabeth Friedman be moved to a separate entry?

Ckape

Possibly, but I don;t know too much about her except a little about her work at Treasury and for the Coast Guard. She is said to have insisted her name be spelled Elizebeth, however.

If you or someone has enough info to write a separate entry, then yes. She was a force of her own independent of W.F. Until there is enough to write a second article, it seems OK in with W.F. Williamv1138 23:46, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I guess it had seemed to me that there was enough information about her in the W.F. article to spin off into at least a small entry (3 paragraphs entirely about her, plus some scattered bits).

Ckape

Is this quote from the last section(?) not NPOV?

"They demonstrated unfortunate flaws in Gallup's work" Only someone who wants to find true cyphers in Shakespeare would consider it "unfortunate" for said cyphers to be found to be junk.

I take it, from the xx, that an ironic sense was meant. If so, not NPOV at all. ww 21:15, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've whacked the "unfortunate" (as an aside, I think the emphasis was the anon poster's not actually present in the article!) — Matt 18:00, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Friedman was very careful discussing Gallup's work as he liked her personally, although he thought her theory was worthless.

[edit] Family

Here is the text I removed, this previously followed the last line in the section, after "March 9, 1996":

(he was murdered by U.S. Secret Service agents involved in illegal, hypnosis-based mind control, election fraud during the 2000 and 2004 U.S. national elections, and many other crimes). Peter S. Friedman was co-founder of Tiburon Vintners & Sonoma Vineyards (Tiburon, California & Windsor, California) in the early 1960s in partnership with Rodney Strong and later he was general partner at Belvedere Winery (Healdsberg, California) with William Hambrecht. William F. Friedman's grand nephew, Peter S. Friedman's only son, Donald M. Friedman (Donald Max Garner Friedman), was born November 21, 1966 and has worked tirelessly for many years to bring the U.S. Secret Service agents guilty of his father's murder to justice

First, I am not sure that a section on Friedman's family is even appropriate for this article. Secondly, has anyone verified this genealogy? For example, do the names of Friedman's brothers and sisters (and grandnephews!) appear in his biography? Nevertheless, even if the names are correct, the part about hypnosis-based mind control has no place here. As for Donald M. Friedman's involvement with the Secret Service, here is a link of interest:

U.S. vs. Friedman