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[edit] Title

The title should be Wild ARMs, only A-R-M should be in Caps. CyberSkull 23:30, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

See latest section. --Zeno McDohl 21:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wild ARMs series

Ok, upon further consideration (and after I finished fixing the links >.<) I have come to the conclusion that this article should be Wild ARMs series, since it contains info on all of them. CyberSkull 04:33, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

[edit] WA2

Wild ARMs 2 is the same as Second Ignition. No need to have a different link and page for it. --Zeno McDohl 03:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I got all the game names from Gamespot.com. It lists 2nd Ignition as a separate game released before Wild ARMs 2. But I can't say I have played either, so if you're more knowledgeable about the topic you're more than welcome to change it! Dragonfly888 17:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
2nd Ignition is the Japanese title for the game, it is released in the us as Wild ARMs 2. see http://psx.ign.com/objects/012/012916.html Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:23, 2005 August 1 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks for correcting me! Dragonfly888 13:21, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Objection to Title Capitalization

I object to the change in capitalization brought forward. This is a Bad Meme that clearly originated with RPGamer several years ago, one which I've been tracking for quite some time and would like to see corrected.

There is no evidence of "ARM" being capitalized in the title from original US or Japanese sources (Neither Sony Computer Entertainment America nor Sony Computer Entertaiment, Inc.). xSEED games and Agetec only capitalized that name in the title by going purely on media and fan sources—who were, in turn, acting off of the badly-capitalized information from RPGamer.

Further, on a subjective level, it's sort of baseless to use the capitalization of "ARM" due to its use as an acronym in the series; as stated in the entry itself, the acronym "ARMS" has also been used—as both an acronym for an organization (Wild Arms 2nd Ignition) and as a type of weapon (The anime Wild Arms Twilight Venom, creation of which was sactioned directly by Sony Computer Entertaiment). In addition, the noun "Arms" also has several meanings which Media Vision is quite aware of, as they are used thematically throughout the series.

Thematics are subjective, however, I'll admit; we could argue subjectivity all day, and there's precious little place for subjectivity here, so we'll elide that. Let's rely on fact instead.

By the evidence that I have seen presented, there are only two official capitalization schemes that I have actually seen used:

  • "Wild Arms" in proper capitalization, the scheme used by SCEA while they handled publishing of the series in the United States (1, 2, 3), and by ADV Films in US distribution of Twilight Venom;
  • "WILD ARMS" in full caps, the scheme used by SCEI; by the developer, Media Vision (1 2); and by SCEI again on the recently-opened Official Wild Arms site (which will prove that the scheme has not changed).

I have not seen any other configuration that has not been from a media or fan source, nor from a publisher/localization house that is not Sony.

Now. if you have any official evidence at all challenging this—any evidence whatsoever that I might have missed— please bring it forward. I'd very much like to see it; if it proves me wrong, I will happily hold my peace on this matter. But if there is nothing else that may be brought forward, I would request that the matter be discussed.

Much appreciated. Thank you. --E. Megas 03:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting note. I have always used Wild ARMs, but now that I check I see nothing with the titles being that way. Most are WILD ARMS. I'll look into this, I own all of the original games. I'll check through the manuals, etc. --Zeno McDohl 04:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, I checked the US Wild Arms 1 manual. In the back under credits, it says Wild Arms Development Staff. Same casing in the US Wild Arms 2 and 3 manual. Looks like you're right. --Zeno McDohl 21:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
So, could you simply move all the articles which can be moved without admin help and drop a list of pages that need to be moved with admin help on my talk page? Thanks. —Nightstallion (?) 08:33, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Both the manual and game case for the fourth game refer to itself as "Wild ARMs 4".. 69.183.52.75 00:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

As you can obviously tell here, it's "WILD ARMS 4" on the case. --Zeno McDohl 04:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
69.183.52.75: This is indeed true; xSEED Games used "Wild ARMs," however. because they didn't check the previously established official capitalizations used by Sony and ADV and went straight for the version seen in media sources. This is possibly also true of Agetec's US release of Alter Code: F as well, though I don't have actual confirmation of this yet (since I haven't yet played Alter Code: F myself).
However! If you look at Sony Computer Entertainment America's catalog entry for the game (note that the entries below are press releases from xSEED themselves, so don't try pointing to them!), and the official romanization on wild-arms.net, you will see that they are very contradictory. Seeing as SCEA were the previous translators (who abdicated the Wild Arms series in the US, granted), and Media Vision themselves were the original creators of the series, their capitalization forms take precedence.
So...Yeah. "Wild Arms" (US) or "WILD ARMS" (Japan). Take your pick. Both are valid. --E. Megas 01:04, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
And since this is the English Wikipedia, I'd say stick to Wild Arms. --Zeno McDohl 01:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Any progress on the name change back? Will someone process Nightstallion's request, or should I attend to the move myself? --E. Megas 18:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I haven't gotten around to doing it as you can tell, so if you want to move it yourself go right ahead. --Zeno McDohl 19:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Done! (For the most part)
I have not done a formal move of the anime entries yet, since I'm afraid I'd be crossing into some other person's purview if I do that. Would it be acceptable if that was done?
While I'm at it, I could also merge the two WATV entries if you'd like me to.
I can't change the names on the image filenames and the series box (which still includes "Category:Wild ARMs" in it, apparently). Doing that is admin-only access, right? --E. Megas 00:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Never mind, fixed the template. That leaves only the filenames to be changed.
Can that be done by a non-admin? I'm not certain... --E. Megas 07:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the moves. I assume filenames can only be changed by admins, but I don't think it's necessary. Just as long as the image captions are correct. --Zeno McDohl 18:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of June 22, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Expand lead per WP:LEAD. Otherwise, it's ok.
2. Factually accurate?: Well cited. Just one thing, when citing GameFAQs, the author is not "GameFAQs staff." If you don't know how to find the author of the file you cited, contact me and I can help you out on that. But this must be changed.
3. Broad in coverage?: Expand the critical response section more, if possible.
4. Neutral point of view?: Y
5. Article stability? Y
6. Images?: Image:MichikoNaruke.png needs a WP:FURG. There may also be concerns that it merely shows what she looks like (see the boilerplate message)

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — G1ggy Talk/Contribs 04:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, G1ggy. I went ahead and expanded the into, added citations to some of the more dubious facts, fixed the GameFAQs references to include the names of contributors, and removed the Naruke image entirely since it's probably not going to get approved for use. The critical response section was expanded *slightly*, but it's difficult to add any more information without resorting to individual games' reception. If anything else is required, I will try and add it as soon as I can. Appreciate the help! Nall 03:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Pass

As it has been on hold more than 7 days, I'm jumping in to pass this article for GAC. Good job! The only thing I had reservations about was that you were using gameFAQs as a source- random people's faqs aren't a very reliable source. I passed it anyway, though, as none of the cites in question were of major importance, but I still recommend finding a better source. --PresN 08:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I second this ;) Thanks PresN, and well done Nall! G1ggy Talk/Contribs 03:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you both for your support! The article looks much better now. Nall 03:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] media vision

Where is it that media vision is a subsidiary of Sony? Just want clarification that this is a fact, and it should be cited somewhere.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.133.139.5 (talk) 16:22, August 30, 2007 (UTC)