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[edit] Naming conventions...

I really don't want to bring this up, but I also hate seeing cleanup tags on articles, so here goes... Earlier today User:SPUI added {{cleanup-name}} to everything in Category:Wisconsin state highways, as well as changing highway links to the Highway XX (Wisconsin) format (see [1] and [2] for examples). While I myself don't really care if it's Wisconsin State Highway 16, Wisconsin State Trunk Highway 16, or Highway 16 (Wisconsin), it would be nice if some standard for Wisconsin highways could be agreed upon. BryanG(talk) 22:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind either - and I'm also glad we're starting a WikiProject after I put together two of the articles to start with - but I'd suggest that the name in use (Wisconsin State Highway XX) is perfectly fine. jwhouk 14:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a neologism. --SPUI (T - C) 17:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The ball is rolling on it already. It would be foolish to stop now since the category has been revamped and updated. I suggest we go forward with the new proposal, but keep in mind that Parenthesis are bad characters for URLs. Also refer to WisDOT to see what they call the highways in official nomenclature - I strongly suggest we follow that. --master_sonLets talk 22:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

After posting this I followed BryanG's talk page to find the truth behind these cleanups - IMHO - the U.S. Roads WikiProject has already set the standard and it should be followed until a concensus decision is made. Please refrain from changing any article names until the situation has been sorted out.--master_sonLets talk 23:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

WiDOT uses the convention WIS XX on its website. The problem with a neologism is that not everyone uses the same description for something, especially when it's describing an item particular to a certain area or region. For example: drinking fountains are called "bubblers" in the state of Wisconsin, mostly due to the construction of the earliest versions located in the area. As long as there's a consensus, though, I'll defer to it. Amazing that there's all this fuss over a highway name. jwhouk 10:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Wisconsin State Highway

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All references to this infobox are to be removed. (there aren't many though.) Use Template:Infobox road (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for further articles. --master_sonLets talk 23:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I think I got them all already. --SPUI (T - C) 05:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] County shields

I've made single-letter shields. Let me know if you want any others, and, if possible, the font series used by WISDOT. --SPUI (T - C) 17:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see an immediate need for the others as of yet. There are at least two instances of state highways ending on county route junctions (WIS 24 at County L in Hales Corners and WIS 107 at County S near Tomahawk) Perhaps its best that any others are made by request only.? --master_sonLets talk 18:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for making the sheild pics.--master_sonLets talk 18:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Articles

I added a new article on Highway 164; if someone could just double-check the references to make sure it's okay, it'd be appreciated. --jwhouk 12:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a redirect from your link above to the article. --master_sonLets talk 00:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks much. I don't get a chance to do serious editing the way you have, though I did tackle one of my "favorite" sections of state highway - Miller Park Way. --jwhouk 11:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Thats a very good article. Also I added the name "Miller Park Way" as a alternate name in the infobox. and updated the project to include that for the infobox.--master_sonLets talk 21:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images Needed

While I don't want to join this WikiProject, I am available to take photographs. Let me know if you need any images in East Central or Northeast Wisconsin. I have traveled Wisconsin quite a bit, and I have been to all 72 counties in my travels. Consider me a friend of the project. --Royalbroil 13:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I decided to join the WikiProject. I was concerned about getting into too many projects. Royalbroil 12:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
By all means - go ahead. The more the merrier. Thank you for the offer.--master_sonLets talk 23:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you want pictures of? I have uploaded quite a few images of numerous cities in Northeastern and East Central Wisconsin. Do you want to use some of those images to represent the road that they were taken on too? I will be driving to Fox Valley Technical College daily from Chilton starting in 2 weeks. I'm going from Appleton to Oshkosh every Thursday (and going home through FDL), so I can easily do any picture at any point around Lake Winnebago. Please come up with a list, or add the image requests to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Wisconsin.

Here's a list of pics that I uploaded featuring Wisconsin highways:

P.S. I added most of these images to the appropriate highway article. Royalbroil 04:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

You can use these images to test out how they fit articles.

I've been taking the pics as part of my Wisconsin Racetrack tour 2006. I've been to 12 tracks in 14 nights. I plan on getting to Francis Creek, Beaver Dam, Sturgeon Bay, and Slinger yet this month. I don't plan on traveling much around the state for vacation until after I graduate next May. I might take a weekend getaway or Sunday drive though.

If we could get highway termini or key points along the road (features, etc) that would be great. --master_sonLets talk 03:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand termini. Define key points: interesting buildings? Interesting intersections? Interesting landscape? Points in city's downtown? --Royalbroil 03:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In the case of a city's downtown some of the above could be used - but yes these all fit. --master_sonLets talk 17:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I looked at an article. I see that major intersections would be interesting too (if I can safely get a pic - traffic permitting). Royalbroil 01:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I notice that there's a request for images of UW-Platteville - Master_son!! --Royalbroil 01:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes there is - do you have any? --master_sonLets talk 03:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I meant that since you are a UW-P student I thought you could take some pics of campus - maybe welcome sign, interesting buildings, stadiums/fields, etc. Plateville could also use a pic of the letter on the hill south of town. I haven't been in Platteville since 151 was re-routed. --Royalbroil 03:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I intend to - but I was trying to put the word out there for anyone else as well. --master_sonLets talk 17:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject User Logo Question

I suppose there isn't a way of customizing the state highway number on an individual user's page? Not that I'm not appreciative of having WIS 29 on my user page; it's just that I live a bit closer to WIS 16 and/or WIS 164... Picking nits, I know. jwhouk 13:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Master_son updated the template. You can change the number after the pipe "|" character. You can use my userpage as a sample. I love the improvement, Master_son! Royalbroil 20:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fort Howard military road

The text below is typed verbatim from the "Looking Back" page from the August 10, 2006 Chilton Times-Journal (page 7).

  • August 13, 1931 Plans for a centennial celebration at Sherwood next year to commemorate the opening of Highway 55, formerly the old Fort Howard military road, are already being discussed in that village. The paving of 55 is expected to be completed in about two weeks. It will require an additional two weeks to put the shoulders of the road in shape, after which it will be ready for traffic. The original road which connected Fort Howard, Fort Winnebago, and Fort Crawford at Praire du Chien, was opened as a result of an act of congress in 1832. It was built largely in this section, it is said, by soldiers of the Blackhawk War.

It looks like an article about the early military highway is in order sometime. Fort Howard was in Green Bay. Fort Winnebago is in Portage. Those articles talk about the road too. This text/article should affect several state highways. Here's a state website link: [3] This link also has sections for other roads from the early settlers era. Royalbroil 20:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

    • This article talks about the road, and the development of other roads from that road. It was published in 1922: [4] . Page 75 has a diagram of the state's road system in 1844. Good stuff. Royalbroil T : C 04:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Placing images

I added an image gallery to several articles, such as Highway 55 (Wisconsin) and Highway 114 (Wisconsin). Is this format acceptable? The images could be placed down the side, such as the New Holstein, Wisconsin article. I think we should start out with a gallery, and change to the ImageStackRight method if the article grows large enough. Royalbroil 22:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I have been placing the images in order of their locations (east to west, west to east, south to north, or north to south). I think we should make that a project standard. Royalbroil 03:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] State route naming convention poll

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[edit] Wisconsin

[edit] Convention 1: <Wisconsin> Highway XXX

This is the unabbreviated form of what is found on some road signs in the state. It is also the most popular use in the state and is the basis on the current convention based on Principle 2 (Highway XXX (Wisconsin))
  1. Support: Close to the popular form that we'll get to under the circumstances --master_sonLets talk
  2. Support: Probably the best of the three options, and requires the least work and is closest to the current standard. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  3. Support – What I would say/use when referring to them, since they're north of where I live — Homefryes Say•Do 07:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  4. Support - the best of all available options. Sounds the closest to what is used in common conversation here. Lifelong resident of Wisconsin, and a member of WikiProject Wisconsin Highways. Royalbroil 04:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  5. Support: much of my life I've lived just across the river and have driven many Wisconsin Highways. This is common use in my experience. Jonathunder 05:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
  6. Support per nom. --TMF T - C 03:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 11:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  3. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 01:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Convention 2: <Wisconsin> State Highway XXX

This is a disambiguated form of "State Highway x" for Wisconsin. It seems to be rarely used though

[edit] Convention 3: <Wisconsin> State Trunk Highway XXX

"State Trunk Highway is the format that WISDOT uses in official documentation, many websites such as Chris Bessert's Wisconsin Highways use this format. This convention, however, is not very often used on road signs, writings or common dialogue.
  1. In line with WP:NC, this is the best option, since it is the legally correct name. Most common vernacular usage should be handled via redirects in this case. Tomertalk 05:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2

Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highway 103

East Terminus of Highway 103
East Terminus of Highway 103

I was googling to try to figure out why there was no Highway 103 (Wisconsin) article in Wikipedia, since I knew the location of the former eastern terminus. I noticed that our favorite source has nothing on the highway. I found out at this forum that there are numerous former state highways missing. All these highways were out of existence before 1997. I added my image of the former eastern terminus here until an article is created. Royalbroil 05:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The source you speak of his here. Chris has been compiling this for a while, and it will become useful in creating the proper articles. Once it is complete, we should discuss what articles would be notable for writing. --• master_sonLets talk 14:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category for WikiProject Images

I created a new category called Category:Images of Wisconsin Highways for images of Highways and roads in Wisconsin. I populated the category with images that I took. Please add your free use images or any other free use images that I missed to the category. Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 15:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

If these are public domain images, may I suggest these get moved to Commons? --• master_sonLets talk 15:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The images that I took are all tagged CC Attribution ShareAlike, not public domain. They are free use. I uploaded them in the English Wikipedia only because I can't see how another language Wikipedia could possibly want to use the images. You can move them if you like. You could move all of the images in Category:Images of Wisconsin too. I don't see the point for moving the highway images. Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 04:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I had it speedy renamed to Category:Images of Wisconsin highways as a capitalization fix. Royalbroil T : C 04:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that we are large enough to do any of what is proposed, especially departmentalizing. The whole assessment process turned me off at WikiProject NASCAR. Nearly all articles in this WikiProject assess as stub. I could run my AWB to flag them all as such if that is consensus. Most of my Wikipedia edits have been concentrated on adding images to this WikiProject. Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 00:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't AWB them as that unless you check the actual content of the articles.. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I checked a few articles, and they all were already assessed. I didn't know that ANY were tagged. I definitely won't be messing with the articles' assessments with my AWB. Thanks for pointing that out, Rschen! Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 13:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more on the naming debate

I have added my input here. I don't want to come off as pompous or as attempting to forward my position as "better qualified and more logical" than the opinions already proffered, but I can't help but notice that none of the opinions proffered heretofore are based in WP policy, but solely upon personal preference. That's all well and good for agreement among the majority of primary editors involved, but the resolution is not even remotely in line with WP policy in this matter. I therefore request that interested editors either reconsider their "vote"s, or at the very least, that the relevant discussion be reöpened. Kindest regards, Tomertalk 07:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's the policy that I used to formulate my vote: "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." (pasted from WP:NC). My vote was based on what I believe is what the majority of speakers in Wisconsin would most easily recognize. I would not change even if I was given the opportunity. The change was implemented several months ago. You wouldn't believe the how difficult it was to do this process. Every step of the process was reviewed by a team of administrators to make sure that it was done properly. One of the top 10 contributors of all-time left the Wikipedia project over the discussion. Cheers! Royalbroil T : C 14:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Too bad it wasn't James. Anyways, I'm not that attached to it, although perhaps if someone has the time, it would be worthwhile going through and making redirects (or disambigs, if necessary) for the relevant STH links. Tomertalk 15:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wisconsin Highway 183

I started this stub just now, but there are some things I'm not entirely certain of, and couldn't find online:

  1. Anything about its history.
  2. The year it was decommissioned.
  3. Verification of its northern terminus.

I know the highway was in existence in 1986, when I used to ride along it for 9 miles each way on the school bus, past the Little House Wayside, and found it on State Highway maps from the late 1980s but by the mid-'90s it's marked as "CC". I remember taking it to I-94 once, but I'm not certain whether it ended on US-10 or WIS-29, although I'm pretty sure it was the latter. The Wisconsin Highways page doesn't have an article on it [yet], much to my chagrin. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Tomertalk 03:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

CBessert is working on the historic descriptions whenever he gets a chance - he's about up to 63 atm. • master_sonLets talk 03:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, CBessert doesn't even have 183 listed on his website. :-\ Tomertalk 23:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
His Master List will have it in due time • master_sonLets talk 14:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oconomowoc Bypass and signage Designation

This is a question for the WP members about the new Oconomowoc Bypass, affecting WIS 16 and WIS 67. From what I understand, the bypass (which is mostly limited-access highway, but not completely) is labeled "BYPASS 16" for its length, but "WIS 67" for its section between the Northern leg of WIS 67 and the WIS 16 Freeway.

I'll admit, I'm stumped as to how to refer to this in the article on WIS 16 and/or WIS 67. Any feedback or ideas would be appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jwhouk (talk • contribs) 05:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

This should be temporary - the same signage was in place on Eau Claire's US-53 freeway prior to is completion • master_sonLets talk 14:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exit problem with Interstate 90 in Wisconsin article

The listing of exits seems to have contradictory information for Exit 3, and the distinction between Exit 3 and Exits 3A and 3B is unclear. Anyone in the La Crosse area can check this out and fix it? Tomertalk 08:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I live all the way across the state from La Crosse. I sure loving visiting the beautiful Mississippi River and the driftless areas. I remember taking the exit several times over the years, but I don't remember the details. The most recent was several years ago. None of my maps of La Crosse help with the details. Would you repost the question on WikiProject Wisconsin? Hopefully the broader audience can answer the question. Royalbroil T : C 00:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Consider it done! :-) Tomertalk 00:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
That was an extra line (the one with River Falls - errant) I removed it. • master_sonLets talk 01:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that I figured it out. I was about to reply that it doesn't make sense to have exits 3, 3A, and 3B with 53 south being used at two of the exits. I bet that POV stands for Point of View, and that "West POV" stands for westbound (or eastbound). Then it makes sense if westbound and eastbound have different exit numbers (3 is say westbound and 3A/3B are eastbound). I think the term POV should be changed to westbound, eastbound, northbound, or southbound. Royalbroil T : C 02:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed..."POV" isn't a universally understood TLA, and even if it were, including it is redundant w/ the -bound qualifiers. Tomertalk 03:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate sign

Without wanting to eclipse my above question, I'm wondering whether there's an "ALTERNATE" sign for interstates. As you can see from U.S. Route 53 in Wisconsin, I used the black-on-white "ALTERNATE" sign, but 12, 312 and 53 are labeled "ALTERNATE I-94" in the EC area using white-on-blue signs. A helps? Tomertalk 09:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I've seen alternate signs several times in my travels throughout Wisconsin. My guess was they were to be used if there needed to be a detour on the main road. The Eau Claire signs sound familiar. I assumed that you meant that you wanted it changed to the blue and white plate, so I changed it. I found the plate by following the white alternate plate to WikiMedia Commons, and searching its category [5]. Royalbroil T : C 12:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks...that's exactly what I was looking for.  :-) Now...any ideas about the issue I raised in the previous section of this talkpage? :-\ Tomertalk 23:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yellowstone Trail

I was speedy deleting the copyright-violating article for WikiProject Wisconsin. The author contested and claims to be the webmaster, so there's a good chance it will remain. Anyhow, I was reading the article and it claims that Wisconsin had the first numbered highway system in the WORLD. I found numerous sources that agreed while googling "Yellowstone Trail"! in the world in nation I am amazed that I have driven almost the entire route in Wisconsin! [6] Royalbroil 04:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Check out this for even more info on this topic! CBessert 17:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)