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[edit] MfD Result Notice

This page was the subject of an MfD discussion closed on 27 May 2007. The result was keep. Xoloz 16:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bot Tagging

Is it possible for someone to arrange a bot to put the WikiProject Wikipedia template on the larger Wikipedia subcategories that are still unhandled? This could save human time to set up an assessment page, agree on importance standards, and other setting up for the WikiProject. — Pious7 20:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

My bot can't do it; Go to WP:BOTREQ. ~EdBoy[c] 21:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I manually tagged the remaining articles - it wasn't that much effort. There's now 100 articles in our scope. — Pious7 00:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedians

Resolved. The scope has been fixed to be more specific on what biographies fit in this WikiProject. — Pious7 02:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

When I wrote the scope, I put that Wikipedians are in the scope of WikiProject Wikipedia. When I wrote that, however, I was more thinking about Category:Wikipedia people and did not know about all the articles in Category:Notable Wikipedians. When someone put the WikiProject Wikipedia banner on Talk:Tron Øgrim, I realized that there was over 180 other articles that might fit in this WikiProject. Would they fit under the scope of the WikiProject or should we be more specific in our scope to be more focused? If they do fit in this WikiProject, should we have a task force or something similar to cover Wikipedian articles in specific? — Pious7 00:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be more focused. I bet we'd be surprised at how many people with articles also edit Wikipedia (far more than what is currently known), simply as something to do. Editing Wikipedia is just something these people did, and I doubt it's even mentioned in their articles. -- Ned Scott 00:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Good point, but that raises another question. If it is part of the article, such as Tron Øgrim, should it be part of the WikiProject? Or must it be someone who works for Wikipedia like Jimmy Wales? — Pious7 03:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I guess that's a bit of a grey area. I could see it go either way, but I'd learn towards those with significant involvement. -- Ned Scott 03:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Would rewording that line of the scope to "Articles on Wikipedians who are notable for being involved with Wikipedia." work? That allows people like Jimmy Wales as well as some Wikipedian articles that are primarily about that person and their work with or some controversy on Wikipedia, while not including biography articles that have nothing to do with Wikipedia. — Pious7 12:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that hits the nail on the head. -- Ned Scott 02:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scope

Since we do not have a project for the Wikimedia foundation as a whole, would it not be better to move this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikimedia foundation so as to cover related topics like MediaWiki, Wikimedia Commons etc? I can't see the logic in creating a small project before a larger one exists, and broadening the scope wouldn't add that many more articles anyway, while preventing them from being orphaned. Richard001 01:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. -- Ned Scott 02:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Interesting idea, but I think that the problem would be that it wouldn't add too many articles to the scope while the template would have to be changed, the scope almost completely rewritten, and all 101 pages already tagged changed (or perhaps this isn't needed? I'm not quite sure on how templates work). Regardless, it would need a lot of renaming and fixed links (i.e. the assessment categories), but could be done.
Another idea I was considering earlier and that was brought up on the MfD by someone else would be to create a Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki to cover wikis in general and then make this a subproject or taskforce of that, that would increase the scope a lot more of articles that are often without a WikiProject. If this were to become a taskforce, a "Wikipedia=yes" or "Wikimedia=yes" (whichever is agreed upon) could be added to the WikiProject Wiki assessment template to allow the taskforce to still have separate assessment. — Pious7 02:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
To be honest, that sounds kinda stupid, since Wikim(p)edia are just too different from a wiki in general. I'd rather we keep this as it is, and maybe just add Wikimedia as a separate or child project. ~EdBoy[c] 03:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it can't be a child project because it is a parent topic. Wikipedia is just a single part of the foundation. And it certainly isn't an separate project, because they are so related. I had thought there already was a Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikis, that would also be a good idea.
Concerning the template, changing the template will change its appearance on all the pages it already appears on. All that would have to be done is change the name and fix any wayward links etc, and obviously redefine the scope of the project. Probably a bit of work, but it would be better to do this now if it is ever to be done than wait for later. Richard001 06:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Looking at it, I think having WikiProject Wikis would cover more articles and probably attract more people. Wikipedia is a wiki, and people who only want to work with Wikipedia-related articles in specific can stay with this project or taskforce without having to worry about the greater WikiProject. It adds, not removes (and it adds a lot, otherwise this would be a rather small WikiProject), and would prevent people from objecting to this in the future (look at the MfD).
The only question is whether this should remain as project and become a subproject or switch to being a taskforce. Either way, I think the separate assessment should be kept with a "Wikipedia=yes" tag in the new assessment box, which might be the hardest thing to do in adding the new WikiProject. If it were a taskforce, I think it would be better if it were a Wikipedia (and not Wikimedia) taskforce, as a taskforce should be focused. — Pious7 13:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
After talking on IRC with Edboy, we've determined that it would probably be better to give this WikiProject a few weeks to see if it can make it on its own before making it a subproject or taskforce. And I think that making a Wikipedia:WikiProject Encyclopedias (Encyclopediae?) might be more fitting than one for Wikis as a lot of articles under this WikiProject wouldn't fit under the scope of something wiki-related articles. There's a lot of encyclopedia-related articles, possibly more than those for wikis. — Pious7 14:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested rename of this WikiProject

How about WikiProject Wikimedia? This would extend the scope of coverage significantly for the project. I think this would be a good idea; if there are any objections to this idea please raise them.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I just read the section above after posting this. Looks like I had the same idea when I was offline earlier on today as the user who proposed this above.-h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree - this would really help improve all Wiki projects as a whole.Shruti14 23:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Has enough time been given?

It looks like the scope was too narrow. Should this be made into a taskforce or sub-WikiProject of a new, broader, WikiProject like I had previously suggested? — Pious7 05:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swati Wikipedia at AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swati Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 01:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hiya

Hope nobody minds me adding myself to the project.

Past work includes authoring the current Reliability of Wikipedia, revamping the current History of Wikipedia, authoring Wikipedia:Editorial oversight and control and the rewrite and redesign of the current long-term Wikipedia:About.

I'm not sure what to contribute, but articles that help editors and 3rd parties know about wikipedia and understand its workings and structure and background and culture, interests me. FT2 (Talk | email) 01:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Articles do not seem to be usable by everyone

I will like to note that article under the scope of WikiProject Wikipedia are written in language that only Wikipedians know. For example, the Blocking of Wikipedia in Mainland China article mentions the word "Wikipedians", would a non Wikipedian understand that. Would that be the quality of articles relating to Wikipedia that you'll find in Britannica? Thanks. Marlith T/C 02:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

It's Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China. PrimeHunter 03:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, strangers who don't know anything about Wikipedia can't use these articles. Marlith T/C 17:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject: Wikipedia

Can we join with and/or advertise this WP in other WikiProjects that each deal with a different area of Wikipedia/Wikimedia improvement? Or at least can we post links to similar projects? This way we can have more people involved with/aware of this project, making Wikipedia even better. Shruti14 23:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject: Wikipedia User Box

I am working on a user box that would help advertise this project and indicate our involvement on our user pages. I will post it and tell me what you think. Shruti14 23:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles for Deletion (WP:AFD)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kashubian Wikipedia (25 Sept 2007) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects needed

Two protected redirects need to be changed. The redirects for Wikiality and Wikilobbying are probably best to be redirected to the new article on Wikipedia on The Colbert Report. Is it possible that someone here can do this? ISD 08:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Wikipedias

Why the 'NA' in the assessment? Surely the quality of this article (list) is important, and it's currently very poor. Richard001 06:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How might I suggest an idea to Wikipedia?

Per above headline, how might I do that? --Gp75motorsports 11:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the idea about? Ideas can be suggested in a lot of places depending on what it is about. Maybe Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) is of help. PrimeHunter 16:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The description is already there. --Gp75motorsports 23:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merger

I am one of the members of the Hall of Fame project, but I acknowledge it's lack of activity. I was wondering whether the members of this project would be willing to take on the functions that project has set out for itself. John Carter (talk) 22:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article for Deletion - Hawaiian Wikipedia

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hawaiian Wikipedia. I wasn't aware of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kashubian Wikipedia but now I am. Oh, and also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Articles on individual Wikipedia language editions

The key question is, how notable should a wikipedia site be before it gets an article on the EN Wiki? Hawaii has 1216 articles. Finnish has 120,000 articles. Cheyenne has 11 articles. Surely there is a cut off. Or is /everything/ wikipedia does notable? --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia community

The articles on Wikipedia that we have or could have is something that I think requires more discussion and planning. The abscence of an article on the community despite there being one on deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia seems a strange hierarchical gap to me, for instance. For more on this see talk:deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia. Richard001 (talk) 05:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Wikipedias is at AfD

Debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wikipedias. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia: The Missing Manual

I think Wikipedia: The Missing Manual is lacking the level of notability required for a Wikipedia article given its current state. I've had a brief look for reviews, but can't find anything else that seems to be of note besides the NY Review of Books one. It probably is notable enough for an article, but as is it appears like we have an article on it simply because it's about Wikipedia, regardless of its notability. That it's about Wikipedia no doubt explains why we have been so quick to create an article for it, but we need to find better sources otherwise it is likely to go up for AFD. Richard001 (talk) 02:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)