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Contents 1 Userbox 2 Merge 3 San Andreas myths merge 4 Merge GTA London Mission packs 5 New template proposal 6 Vehicles in the Grand Theft Auto Series 7 Family/Gang 8 Weapons 9 Trivia 10 List of residents 11 Image:Gtasa-blank-vector.png 12 Take Two stub category 13 URGENT: Fair use rationale needed on images by 9 August. 14 Requested move 14.1 Oppose

Userbox

Y Done

I made us a userbox. And it's my first one ever! But I don't want it to say User.:Alex:./ in it. Is there a way to change this? If someone could tell me I would be most grateful. .:Alex:. 16:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

You could move the userbox code to Template:user_gtatfuserbox ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The image you used in the box is copyrighted, which cannot be used anywhere outside of article space. You'll need to find/make another image for it. --PresN 18:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and moved the userbox location and replaced the non-free image with "GTA" for now. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Y Done

I suggest that we merge articles such as Degenatron, Liberty Tree (newspaper) and Citizens United Negating Technology ect. into a more stable article called Media in Grand Theft Auto or something (akin to this one from The Simpsons). They are short and I doubt that they will expand further on their own. Does anyone agree with this idea? .:Alex:. 12:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

If you haven't already, go ahead. I've frowned upon the fact that they exist as separate articles for a while now. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 05:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I've merged the pages, it actually works much better as one solid article. .:Alex:. 08:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

San Andreas myths merge

Y Done

I've worked on Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Myths for a while over the last few months, making it more encyclopedic, but I've been getting the feeling that this article is not going to get much better. My suggestion is that it's severely downsized and merged back into the San Andreas article, with any new unsourced myths removed on sight. Here are some reasons why I think this. (I'm not suggesting all are WP policy, just my reasons.)

• Sources haven't been added for where Rockstar is cited despite fact tags for a while now. (I myself has searched a few times for some without any luck.)
• A lot of cases contain original research.
• Some editors feel the need to add everything they've heard to the article without sources.

Here's a version I suggested on the talk page a couple of weeks ago:

^{Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is distinct from the first two sixth generation Grand Theft Auto games in its player-propagated myths. Shortly after the release of the game, several message boards sprouted claims of alleged Bigfoot sightings, and several photographs were released, all of which have been proven to be faked. Rockstar addressed the rumor saying that there is no Bigfoot in the game, and in an article in Electronic Gaming Monthly January 2005 edition, Rockstar CEO Terry Donovan is quoted as saying "There is no Bigfoot, just like in real life".[1]. Other myths arose containing claims that UFOs, ghosts and chainsaw killers existed in the game.}

^{Weeks after the myths had begun, an e-mail message was received from "Mouthoff@rockstargames.com" and was posted on several fan forums. The most important claim of the letter was that Bigfoot was false, and is not present in the game. Writing to the Mouthoff address concerning any of these rumors will now result in a response denying the existence of the myths. "There are no monsters, chainsaw killers, UFOs or anything of the sort".}

^{The myth of ghost cars proved true. They are cars without visible drivers, moving with damage that isn't repairable. The most well known ghost car can be found in the remote forest region of Back O' Beyond in Flint County. It is a damaged Glendale, which spawns at the top of a hill and rolls down. These ghost cars are not actually regular Sadlers or Glendales, in fact, they are different vehicles. In the GTA3.IMG file (which contains all of the Textures and Models in the game), one can browse the index and see the files, which are named "GLENSHIT" and "SADLSHIT", respectively.}

I believe this version contains the verifiability that the large version lacks for the most part. The Donovan quote can be sourced to the magazine article, the email can be verified by doing what it says, and the moving vehicle can clearly be seen in the game. Would anyone agree on a downsize and a merge back into GTA:SA? If so, should any other information be included? ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the decision. I took a look at the article and I can't see what else could fit into it that can be verified. Go ahead. .:Alex:. 19:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

'Bout time, heh. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 20:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

All done. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to add to the verifiability of this, on Monday when I proposed the merge I emailed Mouthoff, just to verify that you do get the response the article states when asking about the myths. About 30 minutes ago I got the reply that was expected.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the email. There are no monsters, chainsaw killers, ufos or anything of the sort in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. That was all a bunch of baseless speculation on Internet message boards.

Cheers,

Rockstar Games

So that's good. I think it would have had to have been removed/reworded if they were no longer sending the email out. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool. That effectively shoves a stake into the "Myths" fiasco. Good job. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 00:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge GTA London Mission packs

Y Done

Before I start, I'd just like to point out that I put the Done Template under actions that have been done, the page was filling up so it'll be a way to keep track of things that need to be completed. Anyway, back to the issue.

I suggest merging the GTA London mission packs (London 69 and London 61). Both articles are pretty short and are unlikely to expand further. They're both called "Mission Packs" #1 and #2, so they'd fit together in a single article well. I think 61 especially is pushing it for having it's own article, as it's basically just an extra map and cars and extras for the PC version. I suggest the articles be merged and moved to Grand Theft Auto Mission Packs (Mission Packs capitalised because it's the name given to them by the developers), and the GTA Games template to have Mission Packs in the brackets, linked to the page I just gave. an alternative could be Grand Theft Auto: London Mission Packs with London Mission Packs in the template. What's the consensus here on the merge and move? ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 02:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I support this merge. Both articles are relatively small and I somewhat feel they don't deserve separate articles anyway. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 02:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I have thought that they were both too small (but especially 61) and would be much better as a single article. .:Alex:. 07:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Done, the article is now Grand Theft Auto: Mission Packs. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

New template proposal

Y Resolved

See template talk page. .:Alex:. 17:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the style is a bit too different to the styles currently used on Wikipedia. But I would support a more comprehensive topic navbox template. For example, something like this:

_{I moved it to the template talk page to put it with Alex's template} ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note: I haven't checked all the links as it's just an example, also there's more stuff that could be added. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, not too bad. I like it, at least. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 22:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

How's this?

GRAND THEFT AUTO
GAMES   |   CHARACTERS   |   GANGS  |   LOCATIONS  |   SOUNDTRACK   |   MEDIA
Games	Grand Theft Auto - (Mission Packs) | GTA2 GTA III | Vice City | San Andreas | GTA Advance | Liberty City Stories | Vice City Stories GTA IV
Protagonists	Claude Speed | Tommy Vercetti | Carl Johnson | Mike | Toni Cipriani | Victor Vance Niko Bellic
Characters	Gangs GTA III | Vice City | San Andreas | GTA Advance | Liberty City Stories | Vice City Stories GTA IV
Locations	Liberty City | Vice City | San Andreas (Los Santos - San Fierro - Las Venturas) Carcer City
Soundtracks	GTA2 GTA III | Vice City | San Andreas | Liberty City Stories | Vice City Stories
Other	Media | Category
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.:Alex:. 15:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure the colours are right for Wikipedia. And the style is a bit different to existing Navboxes. At the moment the CVG Navbox guideline is being rewritten (I checked there first for guidance) so I can't say anything that can be backed up, but in my humble opinion it should look more like existing templates used in CVG articles. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Well the style IS being used in Wikipedia as you can see here and here. They aren't being used in CVG articles at the moment, but I suppose there is nothing against that. What do you think?.:Alex:. 15:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Not bad it's ALSOME!! Did a good job Alex! We should use it?!--Manny Ribera 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Whats up with the heading font? "gRand theft auto" with the caital "R" looks kinda weird... Why did you change it from the traditional GTA font? i forget the name if the font... ∆ Algonquin 09:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok i just remembered the font is "Pricedown" and for some reson i don't think the computer i am currently using can display that font, which would be why i thought that the template used to use the Pricedown font. ∆ Algonquin 09:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have that font installed either. I hadn't noticed it doesn't use a standard font, most people wont have it installed. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Weird. I thought it was something Wikipedia had "installed" (for want of a better word) on the site or something. I take it that the Bank Gothic font isn't showing either? This is what it is supposed to look like: Click here. Hm.. I'm not sure what to do. There must be a way around this... - .:Alex:. 12:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Definitely looks better with the correct font. This is what it looks like to me. I don't think you can install fonts automatically in the browser, and it's probably not a good idea to ask the user to install a font just to see a template correctly. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

That last sentence made me crack up. Imagine a message popping up saying you had to download the font before you can view the page?! Anyway, I'll have to look into this. But thanks for pointing that out. I would never have noticed that myself... - .:Alex:. 19:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I am now on my computer that has Pricedown installed, and the template looks as it is supposed to be. I downloaded the font a little while ago, and i don't think that any computers come with it already installed so possibly you will have to change the font or just let the people who can see it see it. ∆ Algonquin 10:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps an image? No wait... that would interfere with copyright laws. Hm... - .:Alex:. 13:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Since Pricedown is, with the exception of R and L, the same in upper and lower case (ie. always lower case), can't you just type it all out in caps? At least that way, anyone without Pricedown will see it like GRAND THEFT AUTO, instead of gRand theft auto, and anyone with Pricedown gets the nice little bonus of seeing the proper font. I know that's not ideal, but it would surely be better than nothing. Dbam ^Talk/_{Contributions} 19:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what I have done. How does it look? - .:Alex:. 09:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it looks great (although the Bank Gothic font doesn't seem to work for me for some reason, even though i've got it installed), it should definitely be used, the current navboxes are a bit generic and having everything in one box will be a lot more convenient. Dbam ^Talk/_{Contributions} 14:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems that CVG Navbox is no longer relevent, I can't see why we should delay any longer. Let's give it a go. We'll change the main template and delete all others and make them redirect to this one. .:Alex:. 15:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a heads up: I edited the colors of the GTA template to be lighter grays for the links portion. The blue text was a bit hard to read on the darker grays. ♦^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 00:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The links are still hard to read. I think you should pick something different for the link colours and maybne brighten the box itself up a bit.Darkwarriorblake 22:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Vehicles in the Grand Theft Auto Series

Y Resolved

Is it worth creating a page which has vehicles which are recurring throughout the series-eg Banshee, Cheeta, Infernus, Manana etc, and what their real life counterpart is? TheTrojanHought 16:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

For a couple of reasons I don't think it would be. Firstly, it's probably verging on an indiscriminate collection of information. Also (though I haven't checked), it might be difficult finding official sources saying that a vehicle in GTA it's definitely based on a certain real life vehicle. If the list is made by a fansite/fan then there may be disputes over the model etc. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, a similar was was deleted in an AfD; I think I was the one that nominated it. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 00:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, fair enough.

TheTrojanHought 11:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I have a feeling they are hybrids of various vehicles of the era, despite their following the same nomenclature, and might present a good deal of difficulty in deciphering their etiologies...might be a lost cause anyway. Eganio 03:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Family/Gang

Y Done

This situation originally started on on the List of gangs page as you can see here. However it is now getting out of control and spreading over to other GTA related pages, so I have decided to bring the discussion here. .:Alex:. 10:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not too sure this is a major problem; only 1 user is doing this and, seeing as he refuses to get a consensus on his viewpoint, I feel his edits constitute vandalism. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 20:38, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like he's been blocked. Maybe next time he'll listen although I sadly have my doubts. - .:Alex:. 16:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems another user is doing it too. User:Malarious. I don't know why these people cannot comprehend the fact that it should be lower case... Even a block didn't stop the other user. Perhaps this time.. - .:Alex:. 20:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Well regarding the capitalizations of "family", they need to be lower cased right? I'd thought I lower case them. You guys can can help out too. I can't do this all by myself. Agtaz 20:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking at their contributions, I think it's safe to say that 86.137.133.254 and Malarious are one and the same. Dbam 22:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I guess so. Just so I understand, what d you mean by that? Agtaz 23:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

There was no reason to reopen this discussion; Malarious' recent edits show he supports the decapitalization; I think that one he did on "List of Gangs" was an accident. Go take it up with him; in the meantime, someone put the resolved tag on this. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 23:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok people, it's been resolved. No need for help on the the capitals and lower cases. I took care of it. Agtaz 23:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Weapons

Y Done

Is there really any need for the weapons lists that are on most of the GTA game pages? -.:Alex:. 11:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hell no. Destroy them immediately. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 14:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I've left the paragraphs in the articles as they are actually explaining about it, but the lists are gone. Done. - .:Alex:. 17:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Y Done

Klptyzm has made the first step. There is simply too much trivia in Grand Theft Auto related articles. I too have seen the amount of unnecessary trivia (ESPECIALLY in the Vice City Stories article) and have deleted all but relevant information in those sections that may possibly be integrated into the article. Please, do NOT add any more trivia! - .:Alex:. 16:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm voting that we remove practically all of the "Pop culture references" sections, in particular. These constantly grow to ridiculous proportions and are simply just not worth adding. It's practically impossible to reasonable control the size of these sections without users readding references. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 18:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Seconded ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree also! The list just keeps growing and growing!--Manny Ribera 12:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

If they are well sourced and notable, i find trivia sections interesting and handy. ∆ Algonquin 09:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

List of residents

Y Done

I've noticed this on the Vice City page and on the San Andreas page as well. Is it really necessary? I'm just not sure whether to remove it or not for some reason. - .:Alex:. 17:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't necessary so I removed the lists. I also got the one on the Liberty City page also. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wasn't sure for some unknown reason. Just one of those days... - .:Alex:. 20:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Gtasa-blank-vector.png

Y Done

This is a map of San Andreas. Its fair use rationale is in question and it is slated for deletion on July 15. I figured that I should alert the GTA task force. Cliff smith 23:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I've added a Fair-Use Rationale. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. - .:Alex:. 08:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Take Two stub category

Y Done

I have propsed new stub categories for Take Two (and several others). See the proposals here. We could also make a Rockstar games template (that would lead to the Take Two stub category), but it would suck without a Rockstar SVG logo, and to use it in a template it would have to be a free original work. So if somebody has one laying around...

I have proposed several stub category name changes (see the proposals here), though these are unrelated.

~ JohnnyMrNinja _{talk} 07:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

URGENT: Fair use rationale needed on images by 9 August.

Y Resolved

As we all know, a particular user has been kind enough to propose almost every single GTA related image for deletion (among many others). The reason: All images now need a full detailed fair-use rationale. There are tons of images that need them and I can't do it all myself. Here is a list of images that need them. If you know of any more, please add them to the list. If a rationale has been added, please stike the image off of the list. Some images have not yet been tagged, but it's better to give them a rationale before that happens. If we can cover every image on GTA articles then we won't need to worry ever again.

Here is a basic template you can use for the Fair Use Rationale (change as necessary).

=== Fair use in [[<article name>]] ===
Though this image is subject to copyright, I feel its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:
# [[Rockstar Games]] has released no such images into the public domain, and a replacement image could not be created that would adequately provide the same information.
# The image is needed to illustrate <character name> and their appearance within the game.
# It does not limit the copyright owner's rights to sell the video game in any way.
~~~~

List of Images that face deletion

• Image:GTAVC TommyVercetti.jpg
• Image:GTAVC SonnyForelli.jpg
• Image:GTAVC KenRosenberg.jpg
• Image:GTAVC LanceVance.jpg
• Image:GTAVC ColonelCortez.jpg
• Image:GTAVC KentPaul.jpg
• Image:GTAVC AveryCarrington.jpg
• Image:GTAVC RicardoDiaz.jpg
• Image:GTAVC UmbertoRobina.jpg
• Image:GTAVC AuntPollet.jpg
• Image:GTAVC SteveScott.jpg
• Image:GTAVC BigMitchBaker.jpg
• Image:GTAVC PhilCassidy.jpg
• Image:GTAVC MercedesCortez.jpg
• Image:Hilaryking22.jpg
• Image:Rockstarjapan.png
• Image:Rockstarnorth.png
• Image:Rockstarsandiego.png
• Image:Rockstarvancouver.PNG

List of images that need a Fair Use Rationale

• Image:Algonquin.jpg
• Image:GTAVC PC City View Ocean Beach.jpg
• Image:GTAVC PC City View Vice Point.jpg
• Image:Mtascreen36278tx.png
• Image:GTAVC PC City View Little Havana.jpg
• Image:GTAVC PC City View Little Haiti.jpg
• Image:GTAVC PC City View Escobar.jpg
• Image:GTAVC PC City View Starfish Island.jpg
• Image:Gtavc-vc-estate-01.jpg
• Image:GTA vice city (leaf links golf screenshot).bmp.jpg
• Image:Trailer Park Mafia vcs.jpg
• Image:Rural SA.jpg
• Image:TR BaysideMarina.jpg
• Image:TR ElQuebrados2.jpg
• Image:TR LasBarrancas.jpg
• Image:Restricted Area (Area 69).JPG
• Image:GTASA BrownStreak.jpg
• Image:SanAndreasPS1.png
• Image:PSX GTA2.png
• Image:GTA2 ClaudeSpeedLiveAction.jpg
• Image:GTA2boxart.jpg

- .:Alex:. 14:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Y Resolved

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