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[edit] Please see...

Talk:List of Vancouver SkyTrain stations.Thx.--Keefer4 07:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I just noticed above User:Selmo's merge proposal to one list, which I assume was this one. I actually think the articles are, for the most part well-written and relevant. And there's precedent such as the individual station articles linked from: List of London Underground stations and List of New York City Subway stations as well as in Canada: List of Toronto Transit Commission stations. Based on this, therefore I oppose the merge and advocate the simplification of the incomplete list as it currently stands. Thx--Keefer4 07:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouverite

Per request here is the link for the You know you're a Vancouverite when... essay I wrote. Mkdwtalk 09:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Vancouver streets name-change proposal

It has been proposed to change 'Category:Vancouver streets' to 'Category:Vancouver streets and squares'. If anyone's interested in weighing in on the matter, the discussion will probably be closed soon, and can be found here. Bobanny 00:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The change has been approved, albeit narrowly and without regard to North American precedent on the matter. Some of the same types now want to merge the subcategory Category:Streets in Vancouver which falls under Category:Streets and squares in Vancouver, which seems plain silly. You can provide feedback, here.--Keefer4 02:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lower Mainland-Vancouver Island

I came across this orphaned article. I'm generally more of an inclusionist than deletionist, but besides being a very stubby orphan, I don't buy the premise of the article, that these two places are beginning to form a larger metropolitan area. Anyone else have thoughts? My instinct is to nominate it for deletion. Bobanny 01:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't argue with some of the sentiment in this article. However, I've only heard this type of association made in a vague context or reference to the growth of the respective regions in contemporary literature. Even with population growth perhaps spurring a select few people to call it an urban area, the title of the article implies the entire island and Lower Mainland as being two urban areas, which is preposterous. Yup, all those latte swilling commuters from Holberg to Chilliwack ;)... As it stands, a definite delete.--Keefer4 02:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Almost forgot about this. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lower Mainland-Vancouver Island. bobanny 07:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ad banner

Qxz created this animated ad banner for wikiproject Vancouver.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Vancouver

--Canadianshoper 01:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hah! Where should we put it. Probably can't put it here :p AQu01rius (User • Talk) 03:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The userpage is the purpose! --Canadianshoper 04:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kitsilano Boys' Band

Or Kitsilano Boys Band, I'm not sure of the official spelling.

Oh! OK, great! post follows anyway.Skookum1 08:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC) OK, just had a look at it and added the Vancouver project template to it; needs expansion, nominate for move to expansion list overleaf.Skookum1 08:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
(original post continues:) I didn't see an article requests section here like on the BC project so am placing this here; this occurred to me while pondering a Kitsilano disambig page, because of the native name Qhahtsahlano-as-Kitsilano, with Kitsilano Beach, Kitsilano High School, and other institutional or infrastructure items. I see the Kitsilano Showboat has a section on the Kitsilano page, but I think there's enough there for that to be its own article; who built it, famous names that have played there, "institutions" that have played there (the Boys Band, but it's notable for all the local dance and theatre groups from within the community); same idea as Malkin Bowl having a page, which I hope it does by now. The Boys Band have a long history and the bio of its founder/leader is interesting, though I've forgotten the details of what I'd heard. There's also the Beefeaters, which I think are connected to the Boys Band somehow, maybe adult alumni originally formed it or something? Or it's North Shore, I think, so that doesn't fit...but another major brass-band institution, in a city which once had many, but these were the best (other than HMS Naden, who are still around though a shadow of their one-time marching strength; not sure of the quality of the police brass band these days...think they're more into pipes...). Just outside the GVRD there used to be the St. Mary' Indian Drum and Bugle Corps wich was an amazing show, and there might have been another such unit in Chilliwack; now defunct both of them but once long-time musical institutions, and the pride of the native kids of the time; the sound of massed glockenspeils and cornets is a totally unique experience, makes bagpipes seem tame by comparison and way more fun, too. There's another couple of youth outfits that are notable in Vancouver/regional history; I'll see what I can remember another time; in the meantime:
  • New Westminster Philharmonic Orchestra; or is the Vancouver Philharmonic Orchestra and the New Westminster Symphony Orchestra; there used to be two, something tells me they merged; I'll look into it; this and other regional orchestras in BC (Prince George Symphony Orchestra, Kelowna, Kamloops have their own too, I believe, as also Comox/Courtenay maybe, eg.) should probably get articles, no?
  • Vancouver Youth Orchestra - I think that's what it's called, the local branch plant of the National Youth Orchestra (or National Youth Orchestra of Canada as the titlehas to be because the main one is the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain). Either that or an article of Regional Orchestras in British Columbia or List of symphony orchestras in British Columbia maybe, but the list implies separate articles where the not-list title isn't meant to, if not desired. Most are modern inventions so there's not a lot of history there; not so with the Vancouver Philharmonic and the New West Orchestra (as also the Royal City Musical Society), they've been around a long time and have article-weighty stuff behind them, even though they're still amateur orchestras and not funded, or even with full roster, as with the VSO an the CBC orch and other chamber orchs. It's a pity, i.e. that New West - which prides itself on its high-society past - doesn't have an orchestra, or a venue for it, as I'm pretty sure they've had an orchestra for longer than Vancouver has; the VSO used to be the house orchestra in the old Capitol Theatre (Vancouver), in the '20s; but when a formal orchestra was first organized, i.e. not as a pack of sidemen for opera, vaudeville or theatre/dance, I'm not sure; when New West's was in its heyday I'm also not sure, but as with other things to do with the Royal City there's a whole lost time/world and urbane sophistication in New West - almost more like Victoria than Vancouver; the Philharmonic, as its name implies ("love of music"), is a volunteer/amateur orchestra and may not be connected to that history, however.Skookum1 08:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SkyTrain stations

Although I am not a member of WikiProject Vancouver (and have no affliliation with Vancouver), I would like to state a problem universial to all Skytrain station articles.

The section regarding neighbouring stations in all those articles are called "The next station is...". This is very strange. According to WP:HEAD, "heading titles should be nouns or noun phrases". See:

I think it would be better for that section to be renamed something else. --:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 14:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I can explain why that would be happening on the articles. That's the phrase used on the SkyTrain when approaching a new station. Kaiser matias 20:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I see, but it probably puts other people who visit those articles and do not know this fact in doubt.--:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 03:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
It hasn't for you, or anyone else that I know of, yet. I do see your point, though. --Keefer | Talk 03:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meet up?

Are there any meet ups for WikiProject Vancouver? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 03:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I think I heard one was held last year, but nothing else has popped up.--Canadianshoper 05:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the closest anyone has come lately were some interviews done by a Courier journalist. Mkdwtalk 06:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I was gonna talk to that journalist but then I had no time. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 17:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There was an email list set up for that purpose somewhere, but it was before the project was renovated and I'm not sure it still exists. bobanny 18:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin Potvin

Just a note that this article has been subject to POV-warring and concerns over biography of living persons issues have come-up. Currently it's protected and being addressed at biography of living persons noticeboard. Perhaps if more people add it to their watchlist, the subject's concerns over libelous content could be alleviated and it could be unprotected. bobanny 18:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

I spent part of today shooting a few pictures out at Deas Island, which is one of the areas that are on the requested photos list to flesh out the Commons gallery. So, once I've downloaded and processed them, does anyone know where the best place to put them would be? Are there some up on Commons already I could add these ones to? I just started an account over there, so I'm good on that end, just need some ideas on where to put things. Thanks! Tony Fox (arf!) 01:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Just be sure to add them to the Category:Vancouver, or whatever relevant sub-cat so others can find them. The photo collection over there is growing pretty large, definitely a good thing. bobanny 01:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Bigger by five now! I should add a couple of others that I uploaded here, now that I know what I'm doing. Tony Fox (arf!) 02:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winona Park merger into Marpole

Hey, I proposed the merger there and want you guys to know so that I won't damage someone's work. Thanks. --Futurano 20:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Schools deletion

You may be interested to know that the AfD gang is going after Richmond elementary schools, and others in BC. People voting for deletion naturally have no connection with Canada. There is currently a process on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Anderson Elementary School, and several others have been deleted without warning. One of them managed to amend Template:RichmondBCSchools to remove all elementary schools, thus concealing his efforts. Hope you can help. Eclecticology 22:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Vancouver in the Courier

Well the WikiProject Vancouver made the front page of the Vancouver Courier on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 in an article named, The Wiki Way. Thought I'd post it for you all. Mkdwtalk 21:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Vancouver

The Portal:Vancouver is undergoing a featured portal review. Unless someone decides to update the portal, this month and next month, it will lose its featured status. Mkdwtalk 22:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need help from someone on the ground: Sam Kee Building

Hello! The article for the Sam Kee Building both makes a claim which is dubious (that it is the narrowest commercial building in the world) and provides a statistic which is clearly contradicted by the photo associated with the article. It appears that someone is claiming that at its narrowest the Sam Kee Building is only 4' 11" wide while it appears to be appx. 20' wide in the photo.

Is there anybody on the ground in VC who can (a) clarify the building's claim to fame and (b) clarify the actual stats associated with it and (c) possibly contribute photos that are more informative? Thanks much! --AStanhope 23:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been by the building many times, and I believe the claim is true. It is deceptive when you see the building, as it's attached to another building. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll drop by and see if I can get an alternate picture.--Bookandcoffee 08:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
A five second google search indicates through several sources that it's in the Guiness Book of World Records as the world's narrowest building. At least a couple of the refs seem to be very legitimate and cite-able. Anchoress 08:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
In particular, this reference at the City of Vancouver site should suffice. Anchoress 08:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
He's got Ripley's and Guinness Book stuff posted at the building. I've done a little googling on this before, but some clarification would help, specifically, which part measures 4'11? There's a building in the US that was claiming to be skinnier, the Skinny Building I think it's called, but it's hard to tell if they have a valid claim without this info. bobanny 22:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Vancouver again

Hey guys, we need some new content for the Portal Vancouver. Ideas for upcoming Showcase articles, pictures, and biographies. Some new Did You Knows... would also help. Any suggestions? Mkdwtalk 20:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rename proposal

I propose that WikiProject Vancouver rename itself as WikiProject Metro Vancouver. Why? The use of the name and the flag promote the idea that we're focused just on the city limits. However, the project scope is actually the surrounding region. Switching would also align us with the GVRD which is changing its name to Metro Vancouver. The change would make work-in-Vancouver, live-in-suburb Wikipedians feel more at home and encourage more collaboration on topics in the surrounding area. What do you think? Canuckle 23:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Maybe we should use the Metro Vancouver flag as well. --Canadianshoper 19:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
The change would be appropriate, even if the name isn't official yet. (FYI, I've had to move the GVRD article back to its proper name as it was prematurely moved. The change still requires provincial approval, and wouldn't be official until September anyways.) --Ckatzchatspy 20:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. It's a little confusing the way it is now. There should also be a separate City of Vancouver article, not to replicate Vancouver, but just to put it on the same footing as other metro cities.bobanny 22:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree. Let's not pretend that one has to live in *Metro* Vancouver to be a part of this project. I don't live in Vancouver or Metro Vancouver, but I love Vancouver and spend as much time as I can there. Vancouver is great. Now, I like Burnaby... I even hang out in Surrey, Langley and (lord love me) Richmond sometimes. Vancouver is the thing though. It is the centre. A place to go. A state of mind. "Metro Vancouver" is a brand—and it excludes me. Sunray (talk) 13:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I also disagree. When you look at a map you see Vancouver. Not Metro Vancouver, not the City of Vancouver & surround areas. When it was the GVRD, nobody really called it that. It was simply a local political term. London is made up of hundreds of 'townships' and the same with many other large cities. Take a look at New York. The fact remains that to everyone else in the world it's Vancouver and I believe it will most likely stay that way. Mkdwtalk 15:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiScanner

This Sun article might be of interest for those concerned with COI issues, and it's kind of amusing. bobanny 22:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Hotel Management College AfD

The Imperial Hotel Management College in Vancouver, BC has been nominated for deletion. Any interested editors should contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Imperial Hotel Management College Luke! 23:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Roads in BC Cities

Another template for deletion by the same user arguing that templates inside templates are not good. See: the discussion--JForget 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion: Selkirk Annex

Selkirk Annex (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-07) Deleted

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
updated --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Statistics

I thought that Statistics Canada updated in 2006. Are the demographics old or am I wrong? –thedemonhog talk • edits 20:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The 2006 census results are being released in phases. The first release (March 13, 2007) gave population and dwelling counts, the second release (July 17) gave Age and sex cohorts, the third (September 12) gave households, dwelling, and marital characteristics. The fourth release will occur on Tuesday (Dec 4) on languages, citizenship, and migration. The stats and updates are all here. --maclean 22:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion: Genetrack Biolabs

Genetrack Biolabs (via WP:PROD on 2008-01-03)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Available auto location map

WikiProject Vancouver (Vancouver)
WikiProject Vancouver
Location of Barnston Island in Metro Vancouver

{{Location map Vancouver}} will add a map of Metro Vancouver with a dot placed automatically using geo coordinates. The following code will produce the map at right. --Qyd (talk) 19:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

{{Location map
|Vancouver
|lon_dir    = W    
|lat_dir    = N
|lat_deg    = 49
|lat_min    = 11
|lat_sec    = 38
|lon_deg    = 122
|lon_min    = 42
|lon_sec    = 11
|caption    = Location of Barnston Island in [[Metro Vancouver]]
|width      = 220
}}

[edit] Proposal for Vancouver Neighbourhood Maps

Articles for Vancouver neighbourhoods all have a neighbourhood map with the neighbourhood in red, for instance Kitsilano uses the image Image:Vancouver_Kitsilano.jpg.

I have developed a very crude template which puts clickable "X"s onto this map. The user can hover over the "X" to see the link to other neighbourhood articles (works especially nicely with popups) and click the "X" to go to the associated article.

I have placed the template at User:Franamax/Test2 and an example of its use at User:Franamax/Test3 (with just four badly placed "X"s).

I propose we use this template for all Vancouver neighbourhood articles. I'd like comments here before fully developing the template, if others feel it won't be useful, I won't go any further. Franamax (talk) 20:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

  • What would be the point of markable x's on neighbourhood maps; or would these be for specific sites as located within those neighbourhoods. Also, I think in the long run, the simple location maps won't be enough; eventually a street-grid map of just the area; even Kitsilano has subneighbourhoods, some quasi-official like Arbutus Ridge, Alma, West Broadway (meaning beyond Arbutus rather than as the street per se), Kits Point, Point Grey Road (as a neighbourhood) and so on....the boundary shown here is also the official bureaucratized one; to me Kits starts at Fir/Granville, not at Burrard; as with the {{tl:Historical geographic regions of British Columbia}} there's a big difference between traditional areas and conventionalized/officialized ones. Fuzzy boundaries I like better, but make crappier maps unless someone's a reallly good artist ;-) - but I do recommend we find a usable Vancouver street grid that neighbourhood-localized maps can be made, showing parks, buildings/businesses with articles etc.Skookum1 (talk) 01:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I like the idea. It provides context on where the neighbourhood exists in Vancouver. The Metro Vancouver article uses something similar in the info box. --maclean 04:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • And the provincial Wikiprojects use this image at the right maclean 09:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think I'll go ahead and see what happens. Maclean, thanks for the examples, given the size of the map I'm working with, I think I'll be stuck just using an "X", but at least it will allow for spatial navigation.

Skookum, the point of the X's is not for intra-neighbourhood navigation, it's more of a "what's around here?" thing, so the user can go to the article of the n-hood next door. You're right that a map of the neighbourhood itself would be nice. However, in order to be legible, it would probably need to be fairly large, thus best off near the bottom. I wouldn't mind having a shot at creating such a map for Kits, if you want, make a section in Talk:Kitsilano with some of the notable streets and features you think should be shown and linked. Franamax (talk) 20:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I've finished the basic template and will show it below. I've also made some alternatives, one with some different characters for the clickables, another with (badly-placed) abbreviations for the neighbourhoods. None of them look particularly elegant, but the "X" version is IMO the best one. Comments? Please let me know soonest so I can get this disruption off this page! Franamax (talk) 04:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)




[edit] SkyTrain stations

See WT:TWP#Vancouver SkyTrain - mass move. Simply south (talk) 13:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yahoo group / meetup

It looks like this was deleted. Does anyone want to start a new group? It's about time we had a meetup, especially to celebrate the accomplishments of our colleagues at UBC. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 04:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I live in the north but I'll be in Vancouver on May 5, 23-24. I can attend if there is a get-together then. --maclean 05:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Do you have a venue and a date in mind? Mkdwtalk 06:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Great! Conversation continued here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Vancouver/Meetup 2008. I hope it will be well-attended! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 07:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Structure reevaluation

Hey everyone. It's been awhile since our last major WikiProject collaboration and reorganization. Perhaps now is a good time to do some house cleaning and see if people are up for another challenge.

  1. Activity. I recommend an attendance is done on the membership list to see who is currently around and active. I can do this.
  2. Plans for a new structure. We should talk about the WikiProject's mandate and what we would like to encompass as well as discuss any changes we'd like to make.
  3. Discuss and introduce any other ideas.

Your thoughts? Mkdwtalk 07:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


The 2010 Olympics are going to be Vancouver's next major event. I'm positive its Wikipedia article will soon be gaining some international attention. I think it would be a great long term collaboration piece. The article could already be quite substantial. We will face a few challenges:

  1. The article will not be finished until well after the Olympics.
We will have much to write about in the mean time such as the bid, development plans, affects, pros and cons, protests, major political issues. Plenty to be done and set up for when the time comes.
  1. Writers and editors have been criticized in the past on other international-Canadian related articles for showing a bias. We all remember Hollywood North.
I strongly believe in unbiased writing. I think if we make a genuine effort to write the facts we won't have a problem.
  1. Finding enough active participants.
There most likely will be enough people interested.

Mkdwtalk 07:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I won't be around, just dropped by about the following section, but just wanted to advise/remind that the 2010 pages are going to have Olympics p.r. and other consultants going over it with a finetooth comb - "information/media management" you can get degrees in now, and they'll be busy; not always as obviously cheesy as some of the edits to Whistler, British Columbia and related articles, but the p.r. machine will get rolling soon. I think in terms of post-Olympics writing it'll be easier because you['ll have editors from outside here helping cover the events/athletes etc. I'd venture "your" first priority is the venues articles...."your" because I live in Halifax for now, despite mucking about in BC and PacNW history/geography articles, and because if I'm in Wiki at all I've already got too much to do.....anyway I'd recommend a tight POV watch...and also "brochure-style/cheesiness" watch...and be careful with their friggin' logo copyrights ;-).Skookum1 (talk) 14:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Also people coming here, physically ("here" being an abstraction for me considering where I am right now....) and also webwise, are going to be looking things up about the city a lot, not so much about the venues etc (ticket holders won't need us, they['ll have their guidebooks or whatever); so missing parks articles (see below) adn the like, maybe neighbourhood write-ups and - ??? - are gonna maybe get a lot of hits. Trick is to not think like a Vancouverite...i.e. never take it for granted they know what you're talking about....Skookum1 (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vanier Park

I was just tidying up senakw a bit and disco vered Vanier Park doesn't yet have an article. Not even a stub....I'd guess or hope that the Planetarium/Museum, VancConservatory of Music, Van Archives, Coast Guard station and Maritime Museum would have their own entries; just surprised me but I see there's not that many articles at all in Category:Parks in Vancouver so I guess Vanier's just one among many unwritten; it's just kinda high-profile, given its location and all, and the features in it....(and waht it was, i.e. senakw)Skookum1 (talk) 14:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver International Airport and Vancouver International Water Airport

I think these could do with a bit of clarification. I was looking at Vancouver International Airport#South terminal and noticed that several of the operators are float planes but it's not stated in the article and probabably should be. Then at the water airport it says planes can be transferred to the land airport. So can float planes land at both airports and/or does the south terminal serve both airports? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 04:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Willingdon Secondary School

Willingdon Secondary School is a weird article. As far as I know, it's not a public school; it's some kind of youth custody centre across from BCIT. SD41 has one broken link for it on their website; otherwise it pretends it doesn't exist. As it stands right now, the article is misleading. Carson 21:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup

Wikimedia Vancouver Meetup

Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians, Monday, May 5 at 6:30 pm. It will be at Benny's Bagels, 2505 West Broadway. We'd love to see you there, and please invite others! Watch the Vancouver Meetup page for details.

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[edit] Allan De Genova

I don't know if their is much work being done of the current elections race, but this article could use some help. It's written with a pro-allan POV and could use some help. I just ran across it and thought I would bring it to the attention of the group for anyone interested. I fixed up a few things for now, but I'm really not familar with writing politicians biography's. Thanks! OldManRivers (talk) 07:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)