Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers

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I boldly started the sub page article to form a base line for improvement. As a basis I used the other guidelines on WikiProject:UK geography, WP:RIVERS and the UK Environment Agency CAMS outline for writing about rivers. There is much still to be done on, and to, the page. The formatting needs the "magic touch" of the other guidelines and there is much discussion to be had. My intention is to offer a humble start.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 16:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

1 Naming & Infobox v Geobox
2 Estuaries
3 Scope
4 Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers#Article_Structure
5 Route diagrams/maps

[edit] Naming & Infobox v Geobox

Thanks for making a start on this page & I agree with your comments in the lead that this will be complex. I have already been involved in discussion relating to River X or X river where X river is the name used locally (& on OS maps) - perhaps UK examples could be used eg River Avon. In the Infobox section can we consider Template:Geobox River see River Parrett as this copes with tributaries etc better (IMHO). Are we including man made watercourses eg River Huntspill & loads of canals etc? Are we going to encourage route maps see Grand Western Canal or Kennet and Avon Canal. In the indexing section should we be pointing editors to List of rivers of the United Kingdom?— Rod ^talk 17:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes,and I've just thought of the Scottish "Water of" and "Water" as in Jed Water and Annandale Water. I think the canal and waterways poeple already have a project. I remember seeing somthing recently. I agree about Template:Geobox River. I'll alter the examples etc.to be more relevant to the UK.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you want to look at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Waterways/How to write about UK Waterways from Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Waterways. I think we should be inviting that project to collaborate/comment/combine on this.— Rod ^talk 18:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for making the contact. I can see there will be a lot of talk about definitions, but this is no bad thing.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 20:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Estuaries

How far is this guideline intended to cover estuaries etc - see River Severn, Severn Estuary & Bristol Channel.— Rod ^talk 10:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

And the good old Humber of course! I havn't seen any other that does so, on my travels round Wikipedia, so I think it should.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 10:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry, I reverted an edit. There was an edit conflict and as I had the info pasted I just restored it with a copy.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 10:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scope

Should there be a "Scope" section to define the coverage of the guidelines?--Harkey Lodger (talk) 11:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers#Article_Structure

There doesn't seem to be much correlation between this and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers#Article_Structure. For example, the list of elements to be included in the article is in a different order (WP:UKGEO puts the list of tributaries quite high up, whereas WP:RIVERS has them later). I wrote most of the Monks Brook article following the WP:RIVERS guidelines, and it might have turned out quite differently if I had used these WP:UKGEO guidelines. Waggers (talk) 16:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. The order is confusing. It could be taken to mean that the list should appear before the body of the text. I'll move it down to be after the text. It was really just a check list item, no particular order. I tried to make this guide as close as possible to the WP:RIVERS guide, in fact I cut and pasted a lot of it from there. Thanks for your comments. --Harkey Lodger (talk) 17:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Route diagrams/maps

Would somthing like this be OK for a route diagram?

Features of the course of River X

Estuary or mouth

Plain course

Buildings alongside plain section

Source

--Harkey Lodger (talk) 09:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Fuller version showing more possibilities here.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 11:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Can we have a symbol to indicate limit of tidal zone (where there is one)?— Rod ^talk 11:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Loads here to choose from !

How about ?

Key to river symbols

Tidal

Limit of tidal

--Harkey Lodger (talk) 11:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I have added Template:River Icons Legend and a link to River Derwent, Yorkshire where I have started experimentally to use the route maps--Harkey Lodger (talk) 18:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought I'd try to test this by doing a map for a local river but it flows both into & out of a reservori - how would this be represented?— Rod ^talk 19:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Key to river symbols