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George Martin songs on Yellow Submarine

To the best of my knowledge, the published material on these songs ranges from nothing to not a lot, therefore articles on the songs could only ever be stubs. If they can only ever be stubs they shouldn't be articles (unless we're gonna go down the fancruft route). Another editor has previously replaced these songs with redirects, as I have today, but it gets reverted by the original author. Given that we have encyclopedic topics which are still red links, and FAs to save, I think we don't need yet more stubs. My opinion is just that though so please speak up whether you agree or disagree. --kingboyk 22:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

  • First of all, let me just say that I asked kingboyk to please cease removing the stubs while I obtained more inforamation to add to the article at his talk page, but he did not. It would be best that they remained stubs while this discussion is going on, so that if an editor aside from me has information to add to the article, he/she may do so. Also, only one other editor made a redirect before kingboyk and it was only to Pepperland (song).[1][2] I reverted it [3] and invited him to discuss it, which we did, and we eventually left it the way it had been. I believe that the creation of these articles perfectly abided WP:BEATLES, but I will look for more information to try and earn them a place as articles of their own. NauticaShades 12:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
    • There's no point making it personal*, the point is why should these stubs exist? Where's the published material on these songs? Let's see just one source that indicates these articles can ever be of any substance. Until then they're unneccessary = fancruft= I hope others would agree with me not what this project is about. *But if you want to, I told you to come here but you went ahead and reverted anyway. There was no attempt to discuss, you just left a note saying you were insisting on having these articles and went ahead and did it. --kingboyk 13:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it's stub galore here. This Wikiproject should improve the articles it already has, of which 99% read fancrufty and need hard work. LuciferMorgan 12:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
You're a little harsh Mr Morgan. We inherited this state, most of the cruft predates the project. In The Beatles we have one of Wikipedia's prime repositories for vandalism and low grade edits. So many people love The Beatles and think that every little factoid should be included; it would require a full time team to fight it.
Since the project started I've nominated several crufty articles at AFD but they always get kept. It's just about impossible to get a Beatles related article deleted, even if it's on John Lennon's toilet habits :) On a more positive note, we created The Beatles trivia as a release valve for the main article, we've finally got rid of the pointless Beatles history fork, we've merged Beatleesque and Beatles haircut into The Beatles influence on popular culture. We're making headway on getting a new FA.
There's a lot to be done and I do sometimes think we're fighting a losing battle, but I'm heartened by the work on Paul McCartney and am beginning to see an improvement. Let's keep on fighting the good fight whilst accepting that such a popular band as The Beatles is always going to attract huge interest and, as a result, a lot of fancruft. --kingboyk 12:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I feel I've actually been rather polite, but that's my own opinion. Indeed, the lack of response I had at FAR was cause for concern. My point about stubs is that rather than creating articles, the Project should strive to improve articles. Indeed it's began with the McCartney article, and that's a good thing. LuciferMorgan 20:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk page archiving

As an experiment, I've set this talk page up for automatic archiving by User:Werdnabot. Threads which have no new content after 31 days will be archived to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Archive 8. (This will need to be changed to archive 9 once archive 8 is getting big).

To change the settings, just edit the template at the top of the page. If the process turns out to be unsatisfactory just remove the template altogether.

I use the bot on my talk page and it seems pretty good. --kingboyk 12:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Being the one who normally does the archiving, I'm not loving it. It's rather messy, and there's no need to archive stuff as soon as it turns 31 days old. The bot's gonna be making edits all month long. I'd rather return to the system where I just come by once a month and archive all the old stuff. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 20:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
No worries. I'll remove the template then. --kingboyk 20:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture sleeves

I've noticed that a fair number of the picture sleeves that accompany the entries on the Beatles' singles are from countries other than the United States or the United Kingdom. Is there a reason for this? I know that only a small number of UK singles originally had picture sleeves, but almost all the US ones did. Cheemo 02:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Probably they are scans of copies owned by whoever uploaded them? I don't think it matters anyway, it's an international enyclopedia, but of course feel free to replace any images with better representations. That's wiki. --kingboyk 11:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Real Love (The Beatles song)

Real Love (The Beatles song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. LuciferMorgan 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Some references have been added, and it looks like the featured status of this article could be retained with just a bit more work. I hope editors here can help out. Sandy (Talk) 16:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

More handmade film productions

In need of project template maybe?

Hoverfish 16:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. With george=yes and display=[[George Harrison]] please. If you don't do it I'll get it done (if I don't forget) but not just now. --kingboyk 16:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Article Assessments Needed

Sgt. Pepper and Beatles for Sale need grade assessing. LuciferMorgan 15:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

FA articles

As soon as Paul McCartney is finished (and we're getting close) we should go over the recently de-featured articles and whack a ton of citations in. Easy-peasey... --andreasegde 12:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

These articles aren't as easy as adding cites. They need general cleanup also, particularly the listy sections. LuciferMorgan 23:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
We can do that as well. It certainly won't be as hard as finishing McCartney :)) --andreasegde 01:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
To achieve FA with any article is difficult - ask Kingboyk. Most of these defeatured articles aren't even GA. I think it's better to prioritise articles, so the next FA candidate would be either Lennon, Harrison or Starr (I'm plumping for Lennon). LuciferMorgan 14:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll go for that (Lennon). --andreasegde 20:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Stablepedia

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See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 23:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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