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John Lennon Day

Alright, I'm a bit perturbed at the moment. A few weeks ago I rated John Lennon Day and tagged it with {{weasel}}. Yesterday and/or today, a vandal removed the tag without any other changes, was reverted by me, removed it again, and was reverted a second time. Then someone came and tagged the article with {{prod}}, a tag I don't recall hearing of before that allows the page to be deleted without discussion if it has been there for 5 days or more. Now, a few hours since then, I come back to find that the article has been deleted twice already and is now protected from being recreated. WTF?! —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 05:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

This is the log for the article. It was deleted at nonsense which is questionable. Is the article about a genuine event or proposal? If it is, it ought to be sent to AFD or indeed prod used. Protecting a questionaly-deleted article is very strange. Let me know more about this subject please and we can decide what to do. If it is a load of nonsense we can forget about it, if it's not I can ask whoever protected it to revert or send it to WP:DRV (deletion review).
A quick note about prod: articles tagged with prod only get deleted if nobody objects within 5 days. To object, simply remove the prod tag and provide a reason in your edit summary. Hope that helps. --kingboyk 08:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Prod can be bypassed if the article is a speedy candidate. "future international holiday" pretty much sealed its fate. We don't have articles about petitions, which is essentially what this was. You are more than welcome - in fact, please do - to add a mention of this non-holiday to John Lennon, but there is no reasonable way it gets its own article. --Golbez 11:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
However, I will be completely honest - I misread the 'prod' notice for a speedy notice. If you'd like, I can undelete it, put it up for AFD, wait five days, then delete it again, as it will undoubtedly fail. However, yes, the proper avenue to deal with a deleted article, even an improperly deleted one, is DRV. --Golbez 11:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
You're rather missing the point mate :) I don't much care how it was deleted, but whether there is scope for a valid article or not. (Although I have to say protecting the page is overkill, how about unprotecting it whilst I discuss this with fellow project members? I suspect we'll come to the same conclusion anyway, that it's not worth an article). --kingboyk 11:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I did not protect it. --Golbez 13:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
OK. Well, let's not worry about it for now, until Gordon reports back I suspect it's much ado about nothing :) Thanks for the replies! --kingboyk 13:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
For the most part (based upon a quick Google search), I would have to agree that it's probably not worth an article, but I'm also saying I don't like how it was handled. Within a day, I reverted vandolism on a rather innocent tag, and then, all of a sudden, the article was gone. I would've liked a chance to verify the article before it disappeared. And, for what it's worth, it seems like both October 9 and December 8, 2000, were celebrated as "John Lennon Day". [1][2] —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it should have been sent to AFD and there's no need for protection I think. To save rocking the boat I won't unprotect it now but if you feel we need an article on it or you want to test the waters at AFD let me know and I will. --kingboyk 05:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any speedy deletion criteria which covers that... Anyway, let's not worry about that too much, results are more important than process. If this is a serious venture, editors are entitled to create an article but can expect to see it AFD. If (as IO suspect) it's a load of old nonsense, the speedy deletion achieves the right result. Hence my question to Gordon. --kingboyk 11:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC) (edit conflict)

See Talk:The Beatles. Correct deletion as far as I am concerned even if slightly out of process. --kingboyk 18:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

She Loves You

She Loves You is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Please do not archive relevant discussions. The article's review has not ended and it would be good if people from this project contributed to the review. Joelito (talk) 16:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This article has been up for FA review the last two weeks, and is currently a FA removal candidate which means it could lose its FA status if the concerns aren't addressed. Other Beatles related FA articles are also in danger of this if they aren't kept to current FA standards. LuciferMorgan 19:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

A Day in the Life

A Day in the Life is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. LuciferMorgan 19:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This one is quite lengthy and is focussing on references. Have your say please, and if you have any printed material on this song please add it to the article. --kingboyk 17:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Julian Lennon Albums

Hey folks... I noticed that all of Julian's studio albums were redlinked, so I created pages on each one. However, as it stands they are only stubs, and if anyone could provide some of the following it would be greatly appreciated:

  • Album lengths
  • Online album reviews
  • Album covers which come under fair use
  • Individual track lengths
  • Further (sourced) general information on the albums, to make the articles a bit more interesting

I'm still working on them right now, am just about to categorise them, but if anyone has any useful info, if they could add it to the articles that would be fantastic... or else, if you don't have time, just drop me a line on my talk page and I'll add the info when I get a minute. Obviously I'll do some searching myself, but any help would be appreciated!

Here are the articles anyway:

Thanks a mill folks,

NaLaochra 15:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for tackling that. I'll attend to the assessments and creating a Julian Lennon category when I get a moment. --kingboyk 17:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Done, thanks again. --kingboyk 10:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Live Performances from the Beatles

Can someone make an article or a list of the times and places where the Beatles played live at?

I think what we need are articles on each tour, as we already have for the Wings tours. It's on the requested articles list. --kingboyk 10:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Page

Can someone please edit the introduction to the WikiProject regarding the variance in quality of articles please? The Beatles article itself is no longer an FA, which was revoked not long ago - the introduction still cites the article as an FA though. Thanks. LuciferMorgan 11:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

A Hard Day's Night (song)

A Hard Day's Night (song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 20:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Across the Universe (film)

I just came across this article. How come we didn't know about this before? It wasn't tagged with the project tag, so I tagged it. I marked it as needing immediate attention. Anyone care to flesh out the article beyond what can be obtained from IMDb or whatnot? —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 02:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

What happened to The Beatles article?

How come its no longer a Featured Article? --Mal 14:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It got delisted at WP:FAR - read your newsletters!! ;) --kingboyk 14:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

The Beatles trivia article was up for deletion a short time ago, and it survived. (16 July 2006 [3] ) It is now under threat of deletion again...

The John Lennon article was also recently nominated for "speedy deletion" - which is unbelievable.

Have the vandals learned how to be a Trojan Horse? --andreasegde 17:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thenewno2

So... thenewno2 got speedy deleted, even though I specifically removed the tag. What is going on with these people and their deletions? —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 03:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Rock family trees

Looks like the thread got archived, but to the guy asking about rock family trees, I just found this template: {{Tolkien}}. I imagine the code within could be copied or used an as example. --kingboyk 17:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

ATTENTION: Liverpool Photos for ANY article

I'm about to begin taking photographs of key Liverpool locations tomorrow (30 Sept). I've just adopted the Brian Epstein article so I'm initially going to get a photo of the NEMS building as it is today, but also some other bits and bobs of interest - let me know if any of you want anything specific. I'll keep a running log of what I have available in this section, beginning tomorrow. Liverpool Scouse 17:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. I hope you have better weather than we've got down south cos it's not a good day for phototaking here!
Unfortunately we don't currently have a centralised list of Beatles articles needing photos (other than a few on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/To do, none of which are Liverpool landmarks), and talk traffic is a bit slow round here. You've got me thinking though; a list of all Beatles photos needing photos would be a good idea. Perhaps we could replace the {{reqphoto}} template with one of our own, or a parameter/parameters in the WikiProject's template? Then we'd get a category with them all in.
If I might be cheeky, do you know anything about Bill Drummond, Big in Japan and the 70s Liverpool scene? I'm currently working on articles related to Drummond. Perhaps there's something worth photographing connected with him? Is "Eric's" still standing, for example, and is it "photogenic"? Or any other sites connected with Drummond/Big in Japan/Zoo Records. --kingboyk 13:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
The Casbah Coffee Club has recently been awarded Grade II Heritage status. A photo would be appreciated... however, there is no Casbah wiki article! I found Mona Best, put the info there and stuck a The Beatles template on the talk page. The Mona Best article is 80% Casbah orientated, so perhaps it could be expanded into a Mona Best/Casbah article in the future?LessHeard vanU 15:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)