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Singles template

A template to go on all the articles for each single would be nice. Since they couldn't all fit into this one without bloating it incredibly, perhaps a new template with just the singles on it, which would replace this one just on those articles (and both could appear on The Beatles main page)). Anyone else think this is a good idea? I'd be willing to try to make it if so. -Goldom 莨夊ｩｱ 謚慕ｨｿ 01:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Could be quite large and have internationalisation issues, but by all means give it a go is my opinion. I've found such a template useful for other bands. --kingboyk 09:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done it, and one for b-sides as well. I had them together at first, but separated them so it wasn't so big. I'll be putting them in all the appropriate articles shortly. I based the list on the categories, so if there were any missing from those, they're not on the templates either. (I revised the cat.s some, as some songs were categorized incorrectly, such as being in both.) -Goldom 莨夊ｩｱ 謚慕ｨｿ 01:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually quite a few songs were in the singles category, while the article does not say they are, or outright says they were from an album. I am removing all these from the singles cat., and the singles template - if I am wrong about any of them, please put them back in both. I am not an expert, I'm just using what info is already here. -Goldom 莨夊ｩｱ 謚慕ｨｿ 02:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree... the singles category should only contain released singles. Also, I can edit in Billboard Hot 100 data for these songs (at least those released in the US)... it'd be nice to have a short table for each single, showing how it fared on the various charts... -Brian.D 05:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually the categories ought to be quite well organised, as I gave them a good fix a while back. I can't recall if I fixed articles already categorised or not - probably didn't - so your changes might have been good. And, if not, well we can fix them when we assess the articles so no harm done. So, anyway, where's this singles template? Doesn't appear to have popped up on any of my watchlisted articles yet. :) --kingboyk 11:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Tell a lie, the B-sides template has popped up on Revolution (song). I'd add the A-sides template too, as I think a reader who has found themselves at an article on a B-side is gonna be as or more interested in the A-sides. --kingboyk 11:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Sub-thread about whether "Revolution" is a B-side or a double A moved to Talk:Revolution (song). (so it has a wider exposure/more chance of picking up a definitive answer). --kingboyk 19:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought about putting both (well, actually, started out as them both in a single template), but split them cause it was looking to get too big. If you think both should show up on a page where either does, go ahead and do it (I'm worn out after editing 50+ articles inserting them all, hehe), or maybe combine them back into one template. It turns out they were a lot smaller than I thought, once I removed duplicates and ones that didn't seem to belong. I also added the templates on the main project page, under the main template. -Goldom 莨夊ｩｱ 謚慕ｨｿ 02:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Per this discussion and the talk pages on the templates, I have merged them into the one at the singles. The other is now a redirect, so the pages should all still work without being edited, but if you happen to be editing a page with the {{The Beatles B-sides}} tag on it, please change it to {{The Beatles Singles}} to avoid the redirect. It's not worth doing unless you're otherwise already editing the page though. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 03:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

"The Beatles" vs. "the Beatles"

Articles seem to use both "The Beatles" and "the Beatles" to refer to the group. Should the "the" always be capitalized? Cjosefy 17:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 19:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
In short, "YES!" LessHeard vanU 19:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
That's not entirely true. Hence, the link to the Policy page. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 22:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Billy Preston

I heard it on Wikipedia first, but Google News now seems to be confirming it. Billy Preston has passed away, aged 59. If you've never been touched by his performances I suggest you get the Concert for Bangla Desh DVD or - perhaps better still - the Concert for George. If you have them, tonight would be a good time to relive some memories and watch a soulful man who really loved music.

I'll add a line or two to the next newsletter. --kingboyk 18:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I've listed Billy's article at the improvement drive. If you'd like to see the article improved - and would like to help - please vote at Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive#Billy_Preston_.281_vote.2C_stays_until_June_15.29. --kingboyk 16:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Fifth Beatle

Thread moved to Talk:Fifth Beatle, where I won't have to look at it it can be debated more fully. --kingboyk 16:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I am so glad that I have been made aware of this article... what sort of level Wikipedian do you have to be before you get an "ignore" option to pages? LessHeard vanU 19:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

New Abbey Road photo

A new creative commons Abbey Road picture has appeared : Image:Abbey Road Photo By Sander Lamme.jpg. --kingboyk 15:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It's OK, but the zig-zags, amongst other things spoil it. Not as good as the present one. Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use images

Tree Biting Conspiracy really screwed us over with his removal of the fair use images in place like the portal, especially (s)he simply removed the image wikilink. That means places like our featured picture now don't even have a picture. And don't forget to read the message on the Portal talk page. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 20:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Help! (album) American version

There is a dispute involving the James Bond-ish instrumental intro to the song Help! on the American version. This intro which was clearly influenced by Monty Norman's James Bond Theme is not mentioned in the track listing. Because it is on the recording, it should be listed. The question is how should it be listed? Steelbeard1 23:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The earlier discussion can be found at Talk:Help! (album)#American release error Steelbeard1 23:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion is: "Instrumental introduction" (composed by Ken Thorne). Rich 02:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Songs infoboxes

Hi there ,

Just wanted to say creating infoboxes for every song should be added to the "to-do" list ( or maybe it is already , I didn't look long enough ), it really gives cohesion to albums and song. I'm just finishing the creation of the infoboxes on every Sgt. Pepper song , but i'm missing a few infos such as song length and stuff like that , so if anybody could add these infos it would be cool.

For the infoboxes , juts use on this kind :

"Good Morning Good Morning"
200px
Song by The Beatles
From the album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Album released June 1, 1967
Genre Rock
Song Length ???
Record label Apple Records
Producer George Martin
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Album Listing
Lovely Rita (Track 9) Good Morning Good Morning (Track 10) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) (Track 11)

I think the Let It Be album is missing these infoboxes , so it would be great if someone could do it ;)

Thanks MrGater 18:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there any reason you're not using {{Song infobox}}? —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 00:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal:The Beatles/Featured article - HELP!

That article could really do with being replaced. I chose last time (Apple Records), so would someone else do the honours please? You can choose any Beatles related article that's of reasonable quality. --kingboyk 09:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

accessing quality and importance tables and writeups

The way the WP 1.0 project organises links to their stuff is a bit confusing. I can, after much sluffing around, find the Quality table and and writeups but not the importance table and writeups. I think the section WP:Beatles#Articles_by_quality_log (or something near it) should link to that stuff... thoughts? Note also that I put showhide around the raw log as it was a bit much! ++Lar: t/c 16:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The Family Way

I've created an article on the movie The Family Way, scored by Paul, which was on the WikiProject to-do list, only to find that it is not linked to by a single Beatles or Beatles-related article!!
I'm going to try to link to it from Paul McCartney.
Scolaire 17:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

That's because the Beatle links point to The Family Way (soundtrack). The film is a bit peripheral for our WikiProject, but it's a nice addition nonetheless so don't worry! :) --kingboyk 17:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I've changed it anyway, but I've saved the link to the soundtrack.Scolaire 17:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

{{WPBeatles}}

A load of John Lennon albums didn't have the Project tag. Can other people please check other subcategories for missing Project tags? It's quite important now that every article has a tag, because the tag now contains some programming/logic to help create the tables at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality. --kingboyk 14:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Living in the Material World Reissue

Hi! I was just surfing Billboard.com and came across the info that Living in the Material World was going to be reissued (and presumably upgraded) on CD and a deluxe CD/DVD in September of this year. I typed this new info into the Living in the Material World Wikipedia page, but I didn't know exactly how to hyperlink-cite the source (the Billboard Bits section of Billboard.com). If anyone knows how to do this, it'd be great to have a simple hyperlink number next to the info rather than the sentence I wrote explaining where I got the info. Thanks!! By the way, as a Beatles fan, I am interested in helping with the Beatles Wikiproject. Mcgroth 23:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

You can just paste in the URL (web address), should be enough. I'll try and find the article you wish to cite and do it for you.
If you'd like to help with the Project, great, please have a look around and see what you'd like to do. There's no formal membership requirements, just sign up and get involved :) --kingboyk 07:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thrillington

What on earth happened to the Thrillington article? --Lukobe 18:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean this? Good faith edits by a non-native English speaker :) Just needs some copyediting - which, I can see, is exactly how you've tagged it :) --kingboyk 09:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Bootlegs

Do we want to allow articles on any old bootleg album, or just the very notable ones? (NB There are hundreds if not thousands of Beatlegs). I've nominated The Studio Collaboration for deletion using {{prod}}, if anyone disagrees with that all they need to do is remove the template. --kingboyk 09:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Love Me Do

Take a look at the picture sleeve - Ringo hasn't got a mop-top, it's slicked back at the sides! I wonder if Pete was really sacked for refusing to have one? Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. His hair is also a bit iffy on the cover of "Introducing The Beatles" as well Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)