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[edit] Sie lebt Dich - oops...

This is interesting: The Beatles in Australia. Watch the last 30 seconds - they're all doing the Nazi salute and laughing. (John puts his hand to his nose to look like Hitler.) George shouts, "We build tanks, and ships" and "Deutschland über alles...". They did it in Liverpool as well when they returned there to promote the "Hard Day's Night" film. What about the great undiscovered controversy of The Beatles saying, "We're bigger than Adolf"? --andreasegde 07:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Amazing - no replies at all...--andreasegde 23:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured topic

Why not make this a Featured Topic? Wikipedia has an awesome coverage on Beatles-related subjects, and the articles seem to be nicely linked together. SalaSkan 20:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

99% of the articles would need to be GA or higher for that. LuciferMorgan 19:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with LuciferMorgan. Love.Angel.Music.Baby is a featured topic because out of the seven articles in it, 4 are featured, and the other three are good articles. Out of the other three, i am working on two so that even they are featured with the help of some real nice editors. But sadly, Gwen Stefani has no Wikiproject. User:Luxurious.gaurav

[edit] Hey Jude FAR

Hey Jude has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 19:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There's two citation needed tags I have left to address that concern sales. Can anyone verify these facts? WesleyDodds 00:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paul is dead nominated at AfD

For non notability (!) and a lack of sources. Obviously we need WP:BEATLES members to rally together and provide reasoned support for this article to remain. Liverpool Scouse 19:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this article should be kept, but this is clear canvassing and vote stacking. Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 21:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Disagree, I did recieve a very polite informal warning from a sysop regarding this but after some discussion they agreed this hardly contravenes WP:CANVASS (User_talk:Liverpool_Scouse#Canvassing). Let us concentrate on the issue (improving the article in question) rather than putting down a good-faith posting on this talk page, now that it's survived the AfD. Liverpool Scouse 16:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
There are more references in there now, and I see that the AfD has been taken off. --andreasegde 09:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving Let It Be

Hi, I'd thought I'd bring this up here, since more people would be able to see it. Let It Be (album) needs to be moved to "Let It Be (Beatles album)" for disambiguation purposes, for there's also another very notable album named Let It Be by The Replacements. WesleyDodds 08:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Right now, "Let It Be" redirects to the Beatle album. As this is the most famous album titled "Let It Be", I'd say leave it as it is. Steelbeard1 10:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Per WikiProject Albums, the disambiguation for the Beatles album should be clearer. Not to mention there's Let It Be...Naked. WesleyDodds 10:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to the author of the Crackerbox Palace article for the interesting insights about the origin of the song.

However, it seems to me from both the video and lyrics that this song is a metaphor for our life in creation. This seems clear in general throughout, but some particular instances include:

- the first words "I was so young, when I was born..."

- "... or face the fact that Crackerbox palace may have no other choice than to deport you" is a reference to violence on the part of earthly authority,

- "know that the Lord is well and inside of you" is not a reference to Lord Buckley as stated in the article, but rather to Harrison's well demonstrated belief that each individual is inhabited by the Divine Spirit.

[edit] Founder vs. Flounder (in Peter Shotton article)

Flounder is probably the better word to use in this article. Apple Corps is still in business. See, for example, http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flounder.html

Flounder the NOUN is a fish, flounder the VERB is not.

Itazula 00:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Constructive suggestions for Beatles Discography article

I have some suggestions about how to improve the The Beatles discography article. I would much prefer to engage in discussion before making any changes. I posted a series of ideas on the talk page for that article in March - but apart from one minor (but valid) comment on a very specific point - no response. I have just re-posted my set of suggestions. It would be great if those who care about Beatles articles would look at the suggestions and offer some thoughts so we might evolve a consensus. Thanks. Davidpatrick 02:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Weekend citations needed

I have been attempting to encourage a couple of editors in the John Lennon and May Pang to find more citations for the Lost Weekend sections fo both articles. Currently, they are relying solely upon Pang's uncited bio and Larry Kane's reminisces. Frankly, as Kane was writing something a bit closer to journalism, he is almost enough, but no BLP (and Lennon's article qualifies as such, since the people affected, Yoko Ono and May Pang, are living) can exist with only one citable source.
In accordance to BLP, I am supposed to remove this info immediately, as it is disparaging. However, I have removed it to the discussion area on one of the pages, pending better citation. I have spent all my time since dealing with people who think I am part of some anti-Lennon conspiracy. I tend to respond rather negatively to that, but I held back somewhat. I grew up with Lennon's music, and I am a bit miffed at the personal attacks and uncivility.
Look, I want the articles to make it to FA status, and the way they are now, at least Pang's article is in danger of AfD, since without the Lost Weekend info that has to be removed, there wouldn't be anything left. I would like to ask that some folk here who know their way around a search engine find some better sources for the Lost Weekend, or it will have to be removed as per policy. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Badfinger to GA

Hey, I'd like to get the Badfinger article to GA status... I thought I'd enlist help from the members of this project, anyone interested? Also, I've sem- recently made some edits to the Klaus Voorman article but I'm not sure of my accuracy on his discography.-MichiganCharms 17:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I looked at it and there are only two in-line references in it. There would have to be an awful lot more to get it to GA. Why not use the book that is referenced and add page numbers? Even web pages would help. --andreasegde 16:38, 2007 (UTC)
Badfinger is shockingly hard to find citations for online, I'm waiting to receive my copy of the book, rare as it is, so when that comes in I'll start getting the specific pages down. Still, I feel a claim as big as "Heir apparent to The Beatles", as true as it is, needs a cite and I simply can't find any articles on them from the early 70's. -MichiganCharms 17:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Try this: BBC.co.uk (The BBC is a good reference). BTW, I loved "No Matter What" when it first came out, and I still do... --andreasegde 18:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emphasizing main writer in lead section for Lennon/McCartney collaborations

There is a bit of an edit war in In My Life around "with input from" language deemphasizing McCartney as a collaborator. As this could establish a precedent effecting many articles, it could use some input from the WikiProject.

I'm hoping I haven't stepped in quicksand in this discussion. / edg ☺ ★ 23:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot more things that need fixing with the article than who wrote the song. Page numbers need to be added to 'Notes', and the ISBN numbers need to be put in 'References'. --andreasegde 17:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/The Beatles' miscellanea

I thought it had been zapped - glad to see it's still somewhere... --andreasegde 10:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Lennon Artificial Intelligence Project nominated for deletion

This article is listed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Lennon Artificial Intelligence Project. I added a feature from the Evening Standard, so this meets notability, but the article is only two sentences, so if anyone is able to add any relevant information, or more sources? I remember Yoko Ono mentioning this, in a positive way, but I can't find any reference to that now. If Yoko's comments could be found that would add a lot to the article. Masaruemoto 19:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jim & Mary McCartney

I have started a new article. Comments will be appreciated. --andreasegde 17:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles' Project

  • The Beatles' Project is dying a slow death (if it ain't dead already, girl, you know the reason why...) Lethargic is not the word.
  • In the whole world this project has only 40 participants (much less if you don't put a politcal 'spin' on it and look at the editing history of the participants).
  • How many Featured articles and Good Articles have been created over the last 3 years? There should be many, but the truth is sad.
  • Is it time to close down this project? --andreasegde 19:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

If nobody answers this post, one must surely come to the logical conclusion that the last comment is the right one. --andreasegde 01:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Disagree – I don't think that the project should be closed down. First, one doesn't close down the project because no one responds here: there should be more of an effort to contact project members. There's no guarantee that project members have this page on their watchlist and if they do not then they are not aware of your comment. (WP has processes for this sort of thing and that process should be followed.) Second, getting articles to FA or GA is not the sole purpose of the Project. In general, why not suggest ways to make the project come alive, rather than nailing the coffin closed? BTW, I didn't respond before because I am not an official project member at this time and because your question seemed rhetorical to me. John Cardinal 02:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, John. --andreasegde 19:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lennon and McCartney Credits

Does it piss anyone else off that all of Lennon's major songs on Wikipedia (Lucy in the Sky, Strawberry Fields, Revolution, etc) are all noted as being "written mainly by John Lennon" but all of McCartney's songs are simply "written by Paul McCartney"? I feel this is somewhat biased, especially since Lennon's contributions to these Paul songs are usually about as much as what Paul contributed to the other songs. For example, if "Come Together" can be written "primarily" by John Lennon just because McCartney contributed a little bit of piano, shouldn't "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" be written "primarily" by Paul McCartney since John both came up with the piano part in the beginning (leading to the piano existing throughout) and sped the track up from its original, slow speed? This is just one of endless examples (and maybe even not such a good one, since Lennon never liked the song and probably wouldn't want to be given credit), but it's just a trend I've noticed that, in my opinion, needs remedying; but at the very least, it should be re-examined. CinnamonCinder 21:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a McCartney bias in WikiPedia. In fact, there may be a Lennon bias. If you read the articles about important McCartney songs, there are many negative comments, but in Lennon songs, there is only hero worship. So, given that you and I see opposite biases, maybe WP is doing OK. John Cardinal 01:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
which important McCartney songs have "negative comments"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.89.201 (talk) 21:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
"Yesterday", "Hello Goodbye", "Let It Be", "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", for a start. John Cardinal 02:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. All those have are quotes from fellow band members--important quotes--in which they say they dislike the songs. That's not POV at all--there's no editorial assertion or anti-McCartney bias. Just reporting. 216.165.23.45 04:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the presence of those comments indicates bias. I think the absence of negative comments in Lennon articles indicates bias. I've added negative comments to articles about McCartney songs, mostly comments from JL or professional reviewers, and I think those comments are valid, important content. If we are going to include praise when it exists, then we should include criticism. John Cardinal 12:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Interesting discussion here. I don't have a Wiki account, bt I occasionally make revisions to Beatles pages and just came across this Wiki project thing. I agree with John (Cardinal), but I also think in many of the Lennon songs' pages, Lennon provides the negative commentary himself, like with "And Your Bird Can Sing" and other songs he'll deem as just "another one of my throwaways." - Ray. 128.122.89.42 23:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
This has been mentioned before, but unless there is 100% proof (and there never will be, because even McCartney is not totally sure about the specific amounts of individual input on many songs) sentences like "written mainly by John Lennon"—unless well-referenced from quotes by both Lennon and McCartney—should be regarded as pure POV, IMHO. --andreasegde 19:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
There is rarely 100% proof of anything. If we have evidence that Lennon and McCartney agree about who wrote what--and we usually do--then it's appropriate to say "written mainly by" or some other phrase that summarizes what the evidence indicates. That's not POV at all; it's reporting the evidence. In some cases Lennon and McCartney disagree a little, and in a very few cases, they disagree a lot. Summarizing can be hard in those cases, but not impossible. In all cases, the articles should present the evidence so that the reader can draw his or her own conclusion.
In cases where third-parties claim they wrote part of a Lennon/McCartney song, I think much stronger evidence is required to accept the claim.

John Cardinal 20:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA articles

AS this project has been criticised for having lists, I find this (an FA article BTW), List of WWE Women's Champions, to be utterly shocking. Who is running the shop here, I ask, and what's the point? --andreasegde 18:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Members

I get the feeling that people who edit The Beatles' pages don't know that this "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles" page exists (I had trouble finding it one year ago). Maybe they should be informed? --andreasegde 19:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fab Four quiz

If anyone has time to spare... answer this question... --andreasegde 08:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

John Cardinal has been added to the list of correct answers. God bless him and all who sail in him... :) Anybody want to try the new question? --andreasegde 15:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DVD quotes

Can anyone tell me if it's forbidden to put quotes in from a DVD - showing episode and time of quote on DVD? I have added one to Neil Aspinall, but I don't know the ruling on this. --andreasegde 16:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's forbidden, and can't think of any reason why it would be. I think a quote from a DVD (or any movie medium) is more difficult to review than a book but if the DVD is the only available source, it's better than nothing. John Cardinal 20:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, John. (I knew you'd be the one to answer that. :) --andreasegde 23:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I thought it's comparable, or better, than quotes from newspapers, (although they are still good) as the papers being quoted are usually out of print, or hard to get a copy of. I was just wondering if there was some template for putting DVD quotes in the "References" section. --andreasegde 15:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA reviews

[edit] Participants

I am combing through this list. If anybody has not contributed for six months or more, they will be put on the 'Inactive' list. If anyone disagrees, all they have to do is put their own name back on the 'Participants' list again. I thank you, over and out... --andreasegde 17:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Song samples

There should be one in for every song. Any requests? --The fella with his finger on the fader... 19:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Ows about: "My Body Lies Over The Odeon"? Pete Best 20:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Or what about, "Oh, When The blokes wot used to be mates with Jesus called Saints, Come Marchin' In"... Nah, it wouldn't work - you can't have Jesus in a pop song. Catchy title, though... --Sir Cliff Pilchard 15:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Yor Right Sir Cliff - Christ yer know it ain't easy. Sir Elton Joint 17:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I have an idea! What about, "Something In The Way She Moves Her Bum In My Direction When She Wants A Bit"? That would be a good upload, would it not? --George Hari-Krishna with a Thong-On 20:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Crazy Daddy-O! It's my favorite Lennon and McCartney song. Frank Sinatra 00:24, 12 November, 2007 (UTC)
I've got an old German copy of "She Loves Dick, Yah, Yah, Yah", that might be good... :) --Sie Liebt Dich, y'know... 17:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Puppetmaster active in John Lennon article

After userSixString1965 was indef banned for all sorts of unsavory activity, a few socks atarted showing up, editing in John Lennon almost exclusively. Now, an anon user:24.168.17.212, he is editing again, removing old posts identifying his other sock and calling for the article to be deleted and to start over, Mindguerilla and callng into question the validity of the placeholder image (which has already gone through permissions and given a bill of authenticity) with the sock Jeffrey O. Assmunch (no doubt a childish dig at Jeffrey O Gunderson, one of the admins who caught this trollish sock-puppeteer). Could we get some help, please? Maybe a semi-protection would help for a bit, prevening these socks from being created to disrupt the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcayne (talk • contribs) 22:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I don't know...

A Beatles' assistant once had a problem with a pebble and glass. Who, when, and why? --Mr Clever-Clogs 18:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Long and Winding Road

Hey Beatles WikiProject, I just want to let you know the FA The Long and Winding Road can use some help. It's not really up to current FA standards. I know your hard at work making more Beatle FAs, but don't forget about the ones that already are. Keep up the good work! Rocket000 (talk) 17:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I will look at it. --andreasegde (talk) 18:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I have looked at it, and I have made some changes. I will find some references later. --andreasegde (talk) 01:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Much better. Thanks! It does need some references; I'll try finding some too. Rocket000 (talk) 06:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
There's only one "citation needed" on there now, about the orchestra. --andreasegde (talk) 16:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(Outdent) I added the missing citation; the orchestra lineup was described in MacDonald's Revolution in the Head. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the end of the citation work, but I am going to put further comments on the talk page for the article. John Cardinal (talk) 16:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Okey-dokey. --andreasegde (talk) 10:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Labels on Capitol releases

Someone has added a lot of uncited details about label colors on the Capitol album releases. I think it's all non-notable except possibly to collectors trying to determine which version they have. I think it should be deleted from the various articles, but given someone invested a fair amount of effort to add it, I thought I'd see what other editors think... John Cardinal (talk) 02:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, one editor has already reverted a lot of the entries, so clearly I am not alone... John Cardinal (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Any chance of a quick [link] to the relevant article? --andreasegde (talk) 01:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Books

I am using Barry Miles' book, Bob Spitz's book, and Cynthia Lennon's book for references. I once had the Coleman and Davies' books, but have realised that they missed a lot of information out. I would love to have copies of Bill Harry's books, as well as the others about the Apple days, but I will buy them when I am next in England. When I do have them, I will put so many references into articles that someone is bound to complain. At the moment I am concentrating on facts that can be verified by all three, but also by web pages. What more can one do? :) --andreasegde 20:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

News: The Bests claim that Mona bought the Casbah house with the money from a bet on a horse, which now turns out to be completely untrue. The mind boggles. --andreasegde 04:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

If anyone claims about too many references, ignore them. It's a far nicer problem than too few. Getting some more books would certainly be good as I'm sick of the sight of Spitz and Miles! :P ;) Keep up the good work man, I see you've been real busy... --kingboyk 14:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Kingboyk - nice to see you back. I'm also sick of Spitz (who loves Lennon) and Miles (who bows down to Macca) as well, and Cynthia's writing reminds me of a schoolgirl's first novel. (If I read, "We had a marvellous meal" one more time, I will throw up... :) --andreasegde 18:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to say I'm adding references from the Antholgy DVD box set as well. I know it's not conventional, but it is the Fabs talking directly to camera. --andreasegde (talk) 21:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. It's verifiable. --kingboyk (talk) 01:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question for Members of the Beatles Project

Hello. I have a brief question I was hoping to ask the assembled talents here. Out of curiosity, does anyone ever know if the Beatles ever commented on or talked about how Charles Manson used their music? A press release, something one of them said in an interview, anything?... I'm guessing there would have been some media pressure at the time of the trial for them to say something... anyway, just curious. Thank you for your time. --Brasswatchman (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I remember that it was mentioned in conversation/interview once or twice, but extremely briefly, and not really enough to start an article about it. Sorry.--andreasegde (talk) 12:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alistair Taylor "This man has talent"

Hi. I have a little problem with the photo that illustrates the article of Alistair Taylor, the image , has some problems in the classification of "Non-free use rationale". If it's not fixed it will deleted. Please can somebody help to fill the template to solve the problems. Thank you --Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed the tag and have removed the photo from this page. --andreasegde (talk) 09:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your Help!, with this kind of little help of my friends we are getting better all the time. Thank you girl / boy. --Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sunny Heights

I would really like to know where Ringo lived. I know where John lived at Kenwood, but how far away was Sunny Heights? --andreasegde 21:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I seem to remember reading in Yeserday and Today that it was on Lennon's estate, can't check it now though, I've loaned it out! Cheers la, Vera, Chuck & Dave 20:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't it some private "gated community"? i.e. Ringo lived on "John's estate" but not "the estate that John owned"?? --kingboyk 20:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Look at Cynthia Lennon and the Kenwood section. They both lived in the same area of Weybridge (St. John's/George's Hill?) but Lennon walked across the fields (Golf course?) at Xmas to get to Ringo's house. The google sat photo is useful. --andreasegde (talk) 09:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
As I said :) Saint George's Hill "is a 964-acre (3.9 km²) private estate in Weybridge, Surrey in the United Kingdom. The estate features both a Golf and Tennis club as well as approx 420 houses. The estate is a popular residential location for celebrities and successful entrepreneurs." --kingboyk (talk) 12:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
So where's Ringo's drum? I'm buggered if I know. --andreasegde (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
You mean you want to know exactly? Coordinates? (I have no idea btw). --kingboyk (talk) 01:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, because I've got Lennon's house on a google sat photo, and I've read so much about the walk across the fields at Xmas, I would like to know... (It's a boring life, but someone's gotta live it. :) --andreasegde (talk) 16:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey it would be quite cool to set up a Google Earth file of Beatle locations wouldn't it? Indeed maybe somebody has already done it? --kingboyk (talk) 13:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I've already done a basic one for Liverpool, which is found here:


Ringo Lived in 'Sunny Heights' in South Road St Georges Hill Weybridge the home overlooked the St George's Hill Golf Course. The House is few minutes from the Lennons Kenwood estate which is in Wood Lane. Lennon sold Kenwood in 1969/70 and moved to Tittenhurst Park in Ascot this is the home where Lennon filmed the Imagine Video and Jealous Guy. Ringo bought the house off John in the early 70's and lived there until 1988.BermudaBreeze (talk) 18:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you find Sunny Heights on Google Earth or Maps and give us a link? --andreasegde (talk) 12:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


Its the Mock Tudor home see link below, however it is better viewed in Local Live Birds eye View BermudaBreeze (talk) 18:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=st+georges+hill&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.754532,73.564453&ie=UTF8&ll=51.352181,-0.456367&spn=0.001258,0.002245&t=h&z=19&om=1

[edit] References

As the rules are being changed, and there is no possibility at all to get an article to GA/FA without references, I propose that EVERY edit without a reference should be DELETED. It doesn't matter if we have heard/read about it, they should go.... --andreasegde (talk) 00:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, give it a citation needed warning, but let's not leave it too long before the scissors come out. If new editors see/think they can do it, it will never stop. --andreasegde (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I was just going to say: if you know the statement to be true but it's not sourced and needs to be, using a {{fact}} tag would probably be more constructive. You beat me to it :) --kingboyk (talk) 16:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I've been sharpening the scissors on the Lennon aticle. (Ouch! Where's all that blood coming from?) --andreasegde (talk) 20:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lennon

The order of sections and chronological questions are being raised on the John Lennon talk page. If you have time for a cuppa tea, you should drink it whilst taking a look at it. --andreasegde (talk) 03:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem - we've got it sorted. Have a biscuit on me. --andreasegde (talk) 14:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For all of The Beatles' editors

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to you all! --From John, Paul, George and Ringo (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to you all! --From John, Paul, George and Ringo (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beatles parents articles

Not to be a sore head, but are the Beatle parents notable enough to have articles of their own? GoodDay (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The best indicator of notability imho is the availability of reliable sources. So, probably yes. If you'd care to paste in some article titles I'd be happy to take a look and give you an opinion... --kingboyk (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's OK; seeing as they have been mentioned in books & portrayed on TV (and Freddie Lennon did sell a record), that's notable enough. PS- Paul & John sure do look like their daddys. GoodDay (talk) 00:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Try the Liverpool Lennons site - it's got an old photo of Alfred Lennon's parents (Lennon's grandparents) and Mary "Polly" Lennon (nee Maguire) is a 'doppelganger' as they say. Not sure about Paul looking like his dad, but he does look a lot like his mum. --andreasegde (talk) 17:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Trust me, the older Paul gets (particularly around the chin) the more he looks like Jim (we need a frontal image of Jim, to show this). GoodDay (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
To be more accurate, Paul's upper facial features is like his mum, his lower facial features like his dad. GoodDay (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Brilliant - that's what I should have written! (Ouch) Who has eagle-eyes? GoodDay, that's who... :) --andreasegde (talk) 18:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)