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[edit] Redundant parameter in a Project Banner

Hi, Just wondering if there is any consensus on parameters in a WikiProject banner regarding removal over =no. For example if a banner makes use of "needs-infobox" parameter is there a consensus that the parameter should be removed from the banner once an infobox has been placed in the article. Any help or pointers on this would be great. RWardy 21:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:DOT

Members of WikiProject Templates may be interested in WP:DOT. It's an attempt to clean out the template namespace; it's fully explained on the project page. Cheers. --MZMcBride 19:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Succession Box Standardization in need of help

Greetings, members of WikiProject Templates. As a—probably unofficial—parent project of SBS, I am coming here seeking advise and assistance. There is a series of problems plaguing the project, which can be condensed into two basic ones: our work object and our staff.

The first problem is the most basic one: Wikipedia has yet to officially recognise succession boxes. Even though they are exceedingly useful and quite widespread throughout the mainspace, their mentions in Wikipedia guidelines are sporadic, and mostly have to do with the Manual of Style. Succession boxes are not even given any space in the Template standardization page family, and are barely visible in this project's main page as well; imagine that I have first found out anything written about them in a series of historic pages and incomplete guideline proposals. We need to define the object of our work, carve a niche for it in the Wikipedia grand design, and make SBS recognisable by the community as the project dealing with succession boxes. It is believed that one good move to this end would be for our guidelines to acquire Guideline status in the encyclopaedia. However, they are incomplete and the existing ones have been mostly put in place by practice rather than by extensive consensus. They are thus inadmissible in their current state.

Which brings me to the second problem: staffing. SBS has been experiencing a chronic lack of contributors, with the unfortunate result being that proposals cannot move forward, and organised editing work is extremely limited. If you would like to participate, or know Wikipedians that might want to consider joining us, please don't hesitate. And, even if the idea of becoming a member of WikiProject Succession Box Standardization does not intrigue you, you can always drop by our talk page and comment on whatever discussions are taking place there at the time.

Speaking about which, I should like to notify the Honourable members of this project that there is an ongoing (basically stalled, but technically open) discussion pertaining to the colours of succession box headers. There are several sections on various individual proposals; an overall colour scheme can be found here. You are all welcome to offer your insight and ideas.

With regards, Waltham, The Duke of 22:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{archive box}}

This template had originally been set up to use either {{archive list}} or {{archive list long}}, but after this discussion, it was taken out due to size problems. This has still not been resolved, and so I was wondering if anyone has any idea for a solution to this problem? MrKIA11 (talk) 17:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

Does anyone mind me archiving this page? I'll leave all sections with only one post, and ones that obviously haven't been answered. If no one minds, then does anyone have a recommendation for how old the newest post should be in order to archive the section? MrKIA11 (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Just did it! Hope our overlap didn't cause any problems. --Brian Olsen (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed some more that had been fixed/completed, even though they didn't seem so on this page. However, I was originally wondering if some the sections you removed should be kept, such as ones that are announcements, rather than questions. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe - I removed some announcements because they were so old, I thought that the discussions they pointed to had likely gone stale. But move them back if you like - I won't be offended! --Brian Olsen (talk) 21:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Archive Box

I have designed a new archive box that incorporates everything from {{archives}}, {{archive box}}, and {{archive box collapsible}}, and then some. I know it currently incorporates {{archive list}}, but that is just for testing, and can be removed if the template ends up being used. I propose that this be the new code for {{archive box}}, and that {{archives}} and {{archive box collapsible}} translude it. Would people please test it out and see if there are any glitches or problems. I think I have tried every possible combination, but there might have been something that I missed. Comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on speedy deletion criterion T3

Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#T3 opposition –Pomte 09:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Sister cities

Can someone help me fix this template so it doesn't have an ugly gap at the bottom? I'm not sure what's causing it. For an example in practice, see Anchorage, Alaska. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Done, but I question the use of this box. Sister cities aren't the sort of thing I would expect to stand out in an article, and so can be listed normally like everything else. –Pomte 04:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notes in Templates

How do you put Notes in the Templates like Template:Television in Europe? I am working on a Greek singer's template that has released specific material only internationally opposed to just Greece, and think that having notes can help distinguish the 2 rather than make a new section. (Some material was released in both Greece and internationally. Most in just Greece and Cyprus, and some just Internationally). Any help on how to do it will be appreciated. Clicking "edit" in the example template and coping the code doesn't work since the code is not there for some reason. Greekboy (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The actual code is from {{Europe topic}}. You should be able to copy the code from there. MrKIA11 (talk) 03:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. Greekboy (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hey, could you guys help me with something? Could you make me a template for this? RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

What exactly do you want a template for? A Project template to put on talk pages, a template to invite people, or what? I would also recommend moving the whole project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cleveland Cavaliers, or possibly just make it a taskforce of a bigger project that would encompass it, such as WP:NBA. It seems too small to have an entire project dedicated to it, but that's your choice. I would also move the userbox template to Template:User Cavs or something. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd be able to help...just not right now. Do you want to be able to assess pages in the template? DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 01:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Signature in templates

Hey, is there any way to put into the signature of the person adding a template into the template automatically, rather having to sign it manually outside of the {{ }} things. Is there a function that is just replaced by the signature of whoever added the template? Thanks, SGGH speak! 22:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you have a typo, because that does not make much sense. When would you put your signature after adding a template anyways? I think that just adding the ~~~~ would still be the easiest way. MrKIA11 (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Well the WP:LE has a welcome template that people are forgetting to sign when they send it to new users, and furthermore putting your signature at the end of it messes with the formatting (you have to put it two lines below the end to get it to work) so I was wondering if the template could just have some sort of function in it that put the signature of whoever placed it in there somewhere. SGGH speak! 09:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm quite sure you can just add ~~~~ to the end of the template. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't sure if that just put my signature in every template regardless of who added it, or not. SGGH speak! 15:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I have an idea how to fix that and have tested that it works in my user space. But could you please point to the welcome template you were talking about so I can have a look? I find no welcome template over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement/Templates and awards nor at Category:Non-article law enforcement pages. Although I did find Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law Enforcement/Participants/Welcome where Dep. Garcia seems to be trying signatures.
You know, when you ask for help you really should leave links to the templates you need help with. You can not expect us to read minds and/or go around searching for your template.
--David Göthberg (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I did not expect you to, I assumed there was a quick and easy answer for those in the know, and it is the welcome template, the last one you linked to. Thanks! SGGH speak! 17:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

If you just type four tildes, that will produce your sig. A solution is to use no/include/only. See for example {{RMlink}}. –Pomte 17:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

SGGH: Eh? That one doesn't look like a welcome template that one puts on a user talk page. Anyway, the idea I had is similar to the one that Pomte linked to. But I think my version is simpler. So have a look at the explanation that I wrote at Template talk:RMlink#Simpler signature code. I have seen that idea used for a similar purpose in another place, so it is not "my" idea. But it is a pretty unknown method.
--David Göthberg (talk) 19:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] help creating

Okay, I'm completely confused... I've read various WP: stuff on templates, but can't seem to be able to find how to create, or what prodcedure to use. Thanks. Ajl772 (talk) 21:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The way that I created my first template was to copy a template that looked similar to what I wanted, and change it. Is there something in particular that you want help with? MrKIA11 (talk) 02:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I would like some help on " #if: " formatting (i.e. how the code executes). I might need some more help, once I finish experimenting with this part...
Thanks, Ajl772 (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Have you read the meta wiki page on parser functions? I think it can explain how they works much better than I can, and you might also see a function that would work even better in your specific template. It also took me a while to find this page, so you might want to bookmark it until you get familiar with parser functions. The Expand Templates page is also very handy for testing your code. MrKIA11 (talk) 02:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Country styled

Template:Infobox Country styled has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — --Jza84 |  Talk  11:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images needed template in article space

Please comment on a new article space template at TfD Images needed. GregManninLB (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help Fixing

Can someone help fix the Television wikiproject banner? For some reason, its now showing ??? instead of FA in the banners of articles. I'm not sure if it was a change I made to try to add FL class to it is the problem, or if its something else. I tried undoing the change for FL class but its still broken. Help? Collectonian (talk) 15:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

You're only problem is unlucky timing. You didn't break it. {{WPMILHIST/Class}} was changed at the same time, which I think is what caused the problem. I don't really understand the code, but you might want to ask the editor who changed the code to see what's wrong. I'm not sure why your template is using that one in the first place. MrKIA11 (talk) 15:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Didn't realize that is what it was doing. I've removed the WPMILHIST with our own Class file based on the older version of that template and its working again. Any idea how I can get it to display FL instead of ??? for our FL class articles? All the rest is now working great. Collectonian (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I just tried it, and it worked fine for me with class=FL. Did something change since you asked? Does it work for you now? MrKIA11 (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Not that I can think of, but it is indeed working now. Yay! Now to go fix the FAs to FLs on our lists.Collectonian (talk) 18:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New template for possibly derivative works

I am unsure if there is a forum for announcing new templates, but I have created {{derivative}} to flag user-created derivative works of copyrighted content. As I am an expert on neither copyright or templates, I would appreciate if a Project member might have a look over it and make corrections/suggestions if necessary. Thanks in advance, Skomorokh 15:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Message box standardisation

To standardise the look of message boxes in image space and category space we have now coded up some suggestions. See the new meta-templates {{imbox}} and {{cmbox}} and discuss the design for them at their talk pages.

--David Göthberg (talk) 13:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Prose exception

I've read the history and debates on prose transclusion through template use, but noting the rule that Templates should not normally be used...", I believe I've found a suitable exception where this is necessary - and other editors in the field seem to agree.

The issue is with Guantanamo detainees - we have ~900 articles on detainees held in Guantanamo Bay detention camps, and as these have chiefly been written by a single author, they do often face criticism for WP:NPOV and WP:COATRACK issues over their "shared" sections. As founder of Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism, I've just started collecting a task-force to help settle some issues in the articles - but the chief problem right now is that when a user sees a problem in "Ahmed Raja Abdullah Rafiq"'s article and changes it to more neutral wording, the offending section still exists in 900 other articles that have identical wording.

Something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Templates/CSRT allows us to use consensus to build that section in a neutral fashion and deploy it across all 900 pages simultaneously. If a user in the future believes that the wording should be changed, again, it can be updated to the more neutral/comprehensive/verifiable wording instantly across 900 articles - rather than simple in a single detainee's article.

I was hoping to get a few voices of approval, and perhaps advice, before I actually create new templates for the issue however. But I think 900 WP articles that all share identically-worded paragraphs to introduce a subject, is a "special circumstance" that really is unique to the project. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 08:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I had a quick look, and this seems exactly what a template is for: i.e. to standardise across multiple articles and make the content easily changable. I can see no problems, but I would wait and see what others think before going ahead [there are, as you say, 900 articles affected by this]. RichardΩ612 Ɣ ɸ 13:48, May 17, 2008 (UTC)