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[edit] Including season links on templates

We've come to a point where we need to make a decision. With close to half of the individual season article stubs currently created, an easy way to navigate between the articles is needed. I see two options: Option 1 we include a hideable seasons list on the main Template:St. Louis Cardinals navbox (the way it currently appears) or Option 2 we use the separate Template:St. Louis Cardinals seasons navbox and place it underneath the main navbox on the individual season articles only. Vote for your preference below. I favor Option 2. Timpcrk87 21:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Definitely Option 2. No reason to clutter up the main navbox. Clarkefreak ∞ 21:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Option 2 as well. I think we can maintain it alot easier as its own template. AgneCheese/Wine 23:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe do decades?

Would it be possible to put the decades in the box, so you click on the 1990's and you go to a page that has links to the 1990-99 seasons, 1980's has 1980-89, etc? DrewD007 21:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure it would be possible, but I don't like the idea at all. That creates a dozen new pages with only ten links each, it would be very unneccesary and redundant with the St. Louis Cardinals seasons article and the Template:St. Louis Cardinals seasons navbox.Timpcrk87 17:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
If you were going to do this, you would have to merge the season articles and I don't like that idea. Clay4president2 18:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name for 1800s season articles

What should we name the articles for the seasons before 1900 when the team was not called the Cardinals yet? Should we still name the article the 1892 St. Louis Cardinals season or should we go with 1892 St. Louis Browns season and then 1899 St. Louis Perfectos season? I'm in favor of doing it the second way with 1892 St. Louis Cardinals rediricting to the real article at 1892 St. Louis Browns and so on. Is there a consensus on this subject? Timpcrk87 17:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree. It should be "St. Louis Browns Season" and "St. louis Cardinals should redirect to it. Clay4president2 18:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article to keep an eye on Darryl Kile

An editor on the page wants to keep changing the infobox to colors to "Astro colors" from the Cardinals colors they currently are. Now even though I'm a Cards fan, I don't think infobox colors should changed on whims like this-unless maybe we are dealing with a current player changing teams. With all the different teams and fans, the color changes could be endless.(Think of the edit war you could have over Roger Clemens' colors). I think the simplest solution is to respect the original colors established in the article-similar to how we respect the American or British English used in the original article. If Darryl Kile's infobox was first created in Astro colors I would feel the same way just like I'm ok with Keith Hernandez being in Mets color. He had his best years by far with the Cards but the article was first created with Mets colors, so be it. AgneCheese/Wine 18:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

He played six seasons with Houston, including throwing a no-hitter, and only two seasons with the Redbirds. I think it's fine to keep it Houston colors. Personally, I remember him as a Card, especially since he died while a member of the team, but he's probably just as famous as an Astro and they have the edge both in drafting him and in him playing there longer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phyrkrakr (talk • contribs) 16:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update our Project template?

I recently noticed that WikiProject Boston Red Sox has their project template box setup like our parent WikiProject Baseball does, which they can use to keep track of quality & importance ratings related to their team. I think modifying our template to include ratings would be a great way to help us keep track on the status of our own top priority articles. I was wondering what others think about this proposed change. Monowi 06:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree here. I set up all of the templates for WP:BOSOX and it is much easier than the way we have it set up here.   jj137 (Talk) 16:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good; nice work on the stuff for WP:BOSOX by the way, Jj137. I'll take a crack at the Cards template over the course of this week and see what I can come up with.Monowi 21:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current A/FA articles

Can somebody please list the current A/FA articles incorporated in this project? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phyrkrakr (talk • contribs) 16:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

First, welcome to WP:St. Louis Cardinals Phyrkrakr. The easiest way to see a list of our articles that have reached Feature Article status is by clicking the "FA" link of left hand side of our articles ratings table; it's the first thing you'll see under the "Rating Articles" section. The reason you can't find any "A" class articles under our project is because there currently are none, so that category automatically gets left out of the article ratings table (although Ozzie Smith is getting pretty close to "A" status). Let me know if you have any questions about WP:St. Louis Cardinals, and thanks again for helping our project out! Monowi (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shortened history section

I've been working on a shorter history section for the Cardinals article based on other sports team articles that have reached FA status, such as Chicago Bears and New England Patriots. Because it will be a very drastic edit to the article, I want to let everyone know so they can review it first. Here: User:Timpcrk87/sandbox/Cardinals Leave comments either here on on that pages discussion page. Timpcrk87 (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

After looking over your proposed changes to the main article, I have to say I totally agree with them. Based on the Bears' article, there is a clear precedent of placing an in-depth history on the "History of..." page, and a concise summary on the main article. Keep up the good work, Monowi (talk) 07:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the changes as well. Similar to what Monowi said, I looked at your new Cards article, and at the current one, and it is pretty obvious that so far yours is better.   jj137 ♠ 20:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I guess that's fine as long as all the material currently on the main "St. Louis Cardinals" page is preserved on the "History of the St. Louis Cardinals" page. Vidor (talk) 14:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Award Ideas

I've noticed that some of the baseball wikiprojects like WP:NYY & WP:BOSOX have their own wikiproject award, and I thought that something like that would be a cool thing for us to have too. Would anyone like to undertake creation of a WikiProject STL Cards award, or do you have any ideas for the award you'd like to share? Thanks, Monowi (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd be willing to try and create one. I'll try to create a good image for it.   jj137 (talk) 21:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm having some trouble finding a good picture. Does anyone have any suggestions?   jj137 (talk) 21:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
How about the Busch Stadium Infobox picture located at Image:BuschStadium 2006-05-30.jpg? Monowi (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
That looks like a good one.   jj137 (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I just added the Award to the main page. If there are any more suggestions/ideas, feel free to post them here. Thanks, Monowi (talk) 08:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old seasons

I have no idea if anybody's going back and adding to old season articles. But if anybody feels like doing so as this page suggests, the best thing would be to start with world championship seasons. I wrote the 2006 article and added quite a bit to the 1964 article but there is little on anything of the others. Vidor (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I try to go back and expand them where possible, but due to there being thousands of them it can get hard.   jj137 (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
There are only ten world championship seasons. And 2006 and 1964 have quite a bit of material, so really there are only eight. I'm just saying, if anybody takes it on themselves to expand the old articles, that would be the best place to start. Vidor (talk) 16:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your comments Vidor; it's one of the reasons I help to implement our Project's article importance rating system that you can read about on the project page. I'm pretty sure the all the world championship season are list as "high-importance" right now, so hopefully other people will catch on and edit those seasons first. Good work on the 2006 article by the way. Monowi (talk) 03:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Should Ozzie Smith be a featured article candidate?

I was hoping to get a second opinion about whether or not I should nominate Ozzie Smith as a Featured article candidate. The article is about as comprehensive as I can make it; the only thing I'm even remotely concerned about is if anything has been missed in copyediting. I'd love to hear any suggestions about what to add or change in the article, and if you think the article is ready for nomination. Thanks, Monowi (talk) 02:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

After some additional edits, I've just nominated the article at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Hopefully our project will have our first Top-Importance Featured Article ever! Monowi (talk) 03:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)