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[edit] Map of the Spanish Empire

Hello everyone. Please come to Talk:Spanish Empire#Map and participate in the discussion. It pertains to the inclusion of the Portuguese Empire in the territories of the Spanish Empire during the period of the Iberian Union from 1580 to 1640. Thank you! The Ogre 13:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name_in_local

There is an ongoing discussion on what languages to include in some infoboxes. For instance, Peseta, and Bank of Spain have been either multilingual (Bank of Spain (Spanish: Banco de España, Catalan Banc d'Espanya). Some users feel that only the spanish name is valid, as it is official in all of Spain. However, other languages are also spoken (and cooficial) in parts of the country. Therefore, I feel it wouldn't be less accurate including Catalan,Basque, Occitan or Galician equivalents in the infoboxes. Thewikipedian 22:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

My two cents -- as a non-Spaniard, mind you, but I think this discussion is worth having so I'll throw my two cents in -- is that because Spanish is supposedly understood by 100% of natural-born Spaniards and fully integrated newcomers; and because it is the language of national commerce, national media and national administration; and because it is the language most closely -- overwhelmingly -- associated with Spain as it is considered abroad, "name_in_local" should give only the Spanish equivalent, except where: (a) not giving local variants is likely to cause confusion, e.g., if a Spanish term is not used in another language (let's say the Catalans have a completely different word for "Guardia Civil," and the Guardia stationed in Barcelona use the Catalan spelling on their squad cars -- I don't think this is the case, but it's the kind of thing that would require citing the Catalan name in name_in_local); or (b) the matter addressed is tied to a certain region in which a separate language is spoken (e.g., an article about the "Kingdom of Asturias" should give its name in both Spanish and in Asturian). To use your example: if the Bank of Spain issues widely read documents in Catalan, or has offices in Barcelona (or Valencia, etc.) at which Catalan is spoken, then it makes sense to show Spanish and Catalan in name_in_local. If, on the other hand, it's a Madrid-based agency conducting its business entirely in Spanish, with no special relationship to Catalan-speaking regions, leave it be. Otherwise you'll end up having to translate everything into Catalan, Asturian, Gallego, etc. ``` W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p ``` 18:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag with Bull?

Spanish flag with Osborne's Bull.
Spanish flag with Osborne's Bull.

I was watching "Caiga Quien Caiga" the other day and they were doing a segment on Dia de la Raza/Dia de la Hispanidad in Spain and I saw a Spaniard waving this flag with a bull superimposed on it as you would see a coat of arms superimposed on a flag. I went to the Flag of Spain article and all it says is that it mysteriously became popular after appearing in soccer games in Spain. I was wondering if there is anymore insight anyone here can provide on where this flag originated from. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 12:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The bull is a well-known advertising symbol (for the Grupo Osborne, a sherry producer) that has become an iconic image of Spain over the last fifty years: an example of its popularity is that they were the only roadside hoardings allowed to remain up (though with text removed) after a law was passed in the mid-90s banning such advertising. The combination of it with the Spanish flag appears to be a fairly simple amalgamation of two common national emblems. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 14:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
It is also part of the culture that a streched bull skin can be compared with the shape of the Iberian peninsula on a map. It is even used in metaphores, for example, there are quite a few quotes from Rafael Alberti where he uses "la piel de toro" to refer to Spain.–Figarema 10:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Habsburg Spain FAR

Habsburg Spain has been nominated for featured article review. Since its main editor no longer seems particularly active, perhaps editors involved with this project may care to "adopt" it? Purgatorio 14:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles' assessments

While i was assessing a few Spain related articles i was surprised that there is no [Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain/Assessment] page! Anyway, i'll create it, as well as its subsequent pages in a while. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 10:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Done → Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain/Assessment. Some of the work will be done by a WP 1.0 bot. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 10:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! Physchim62 (talk) 12:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks! I've added the FA and GA class ratings that I know about. EspanaViva 19:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review instructions

Please have a look at the newly created Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain/Peer review for peer review instructions. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 11:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

Is this working, as far as I can there is 3 ways to "review": 1. put tag for peer review in talk page, does this do anthing? 2. add to project under "Peer review requested" 3.Add to do list. Am I getting it wrong? To me it looks like 3 review processes? --Figarema |Talk 16:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Empire

Hi you might want to check that heavily loaded page --Andersmusician $ 23:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National football teams - please vote

I've discovered that some editors have decided that the football teams of some Spanish regions should be called "national teams". So now we have articles such as Andalucia national football team, Cantabria national football team, Aragon national football team, as if Andalucia, Cantabria, or Aragon were independent nations! They've done the same with other countries (Brittany national football team, Cornwall national football team, etc.). I've tried to replace the word "national" with the word "regional", but I was immediately reverted and I was told that supposedly there exists a consensus to use the word "national". Since I can't find such consensus on the talk pages, I opened a vote to remove the word "national" from the titles, as this word seems extremly POV. Please take part in the vote, whatever your opinion may be. You can vote here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#"national" team for subnational entities?. Godefroy 02:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Spanish companies

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article List of Spanish companies, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Richc80 16:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Idea for Article on Spain

Most countries have a list of flora and fauna, it would be nice if the article on Spain contained such information. --- 7-10-2007

[edit] Historic actors

I think it would be interesting to read about some examples of historic actors from Spain! It's hard, i think, to find anything if you can't read Spanish! For example, two of each gender from each century? I thought is should suggest it, if someone in this project is interested in covering this area!--85.226.235.174 12:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry bu what do you mean by "historical actors"? -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, actors from the 17th century, the 18th century...i'm not English, so maybe i spelled historic wrong, sorry!--85.226.235.174 14:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Nothing is wrong with your spelling. I just thought you were talking about actors. We have the Spanish portal where we can get an additional "Selected biography" section for historical figures. That would be a good idea. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 16:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain/Assessment

Hi guys, could you please help assessing articles? → Log truncated as it is too huge! -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Any way of doing this more automatically? Bot, scripts? --Figarema |Talk 16:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
ummm. I'd say no. There's one better option. See this assessment and tagging drive. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for a suggestion

Hi, I'm just trying to put some images together for a table of EU cities. I'm looking for something to illustrate Madrid and Barcelona. It should be horizontal and preferably not a landmark or skyscape. I'm thinking something typical for the people, showing the people. Seems logical as it is a population table to show the popualtion. If you guys know an image on the Commons that for your is typical Barcelona or Mardid, please drop a note on my talk page. Thanks! - J Logan t: 08:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Searching in Commons for representative inmages of people of Madrid, I´ve found: Historical Image:Francisco de Goya y Lucientes 026.jpg, Folkloric and traditional Image:Madrid - Fiestas de San Isidro - chulapos - 20070515-06.jpg. I dind´t find a representative image of todays population, more urban and cosmopolitan, but perhaps this one could be a nice synthesis of new and old Madrid people:Image:Chulapo.jpg. I will seach for something better, anyway.--Garcilaso 11:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, they're great photos! However I think they are a tad too upclose (and I was def. thinking modern for this). I mean I'd want to use them but this is kind of a working compromise with another editor who likes landmarks and skylines. So it kind of has to be more city-ish. Like for London I found shots of people on the tube (everyone uses the tube), parks (a third of London is green) and markets (a staple out of the centre). So if there is like a broader image showing something more along city lines. Sorry to be fussy over this, don't have a totally free hand. - J Logan t: 12:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

  • 26 August Occidental Grand Teguise Playa (PROD by User:Luckyluke; "...a four star hotel[1] and resort located in Costa Teguise....") —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceyockey (talk • contribs) 11:35, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project removals by IP users

I notice that some articles have been removed from the project by IP editors without explanation. Mainly articles about Catalunya, how can one act against them? Examples: Catalan independentism, Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya, Racó Català —Preceding unsigned comment added by Figarema (talk • contribs) 20:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meco (municipality) – help with translation

I have used the Google translation tool when importing this article from the Spanish language Wikipedia, however, it has only done a rudimentary job, and I do not speak Spanish myself, so some help from Spanish-speakers would be appreciated! __meco 15:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

a few others did some translating and re-translating. i finished it out, so it's all complete now. the spanish article has some grammatical and syntax errors, so its makes an "exact translation" difficult (as im trying to do for all spanish cities). i left the spanish wiki comments to fix their article up, and as soon they do, i'll swing back to update this one accordingly. Ivansevil 03:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prince Arismendy of Mantua Y Mantova

Would someone please take a look at Prince Arismendy of Mantua Y Mantova. I'm not sure what to make of it. Thanks. -- Jreferee (Talk) 00:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I've put a prod on it as it looks like a hoax. - dwc lr 15:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My contributions

I have assesed around 20 articles that were in the unassessed Spain articles category. Flickts 15:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Spain Happy Hispanic Day...

...WikiProject Spain :D --Owdki talk 22:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toreno

Is the Leonese language spoken in Toreno? There seems to be some disagreement. Thanks. --Kkmurray 17:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Apart from some online forums, i couldn't find any such info confirming that. I'll try again in a few days trying to consult some academic sources. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does this Street Art in Sevilla Represent?

I am trying to find out what this means, who is the boy, and what is he holding? I thought maybe this represents something specific to Spanish culture, so I'm asking here. Saikosaiko 20:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish politics and elections

I was looking through WP recently and coverage of this area seems extremely barren. There were no articles at all on the individual electoral districts used and coverage of the MPs/deputies seems to be limited to the leaders of the main parties. This is a major area that could be expanded especially with the General election approaching. Ideally, we should have articles on all constituencies in the congress and senate and articles on all deputies and members of the senate - similar in other words to the comprohensive coverage of British Politics already on here. By my count that means that over 110 constituency articles need to be created and over 600 pages on members of the Cortes. I feel that the constituency articles are the priority and so have made a start on these by creating Madrid (Spanish Congress Electoral District), Valencia (Spanish Congress Electoral District) and Soria (Spanish Congress Electoral District). All 3 of these need to be expanded to cover elections back to 1977 and members elected. I hope that someone will be able to assist with this and creating the other pages. Valenciano 18:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Isaura Navarro

I created this page recently but unfortunately it became the subject of an edit war/content dispute and is currently frozen. I would appreciate input on the talk page so that we can hopefully move forward with a balanced article. Valenciano 18:48, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Juan Gaetano

Aloha. I would like to bring to your attention an obscure article called Juan Gaetano. According to legend, Mr. Gaetano allegedly reached the Hawaiian Islands two centuries before Captain Cook. Some sources indicate that there are Spanish-language texts describing Mr. Gaetano and early maps of the Islands. If anyone on this project lives in Spain, or has access to this information in JSTOR or any other archive, please help expand this stub. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 03:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alicante: outsider input requested

I would like to ask the members of this WikiProject to have a look at the article Alicante. SpanishResident (talk · contribs) and I appear to be having a bit of a content dispute on information he/she added to the article. He/she feels that it "constitutes important public information", while I feel that it verges on original research and soapboxing, putting undue weight on this particular subject. Uninvolved editors are invited to share their opinions on Talk:Alicante. AecisBrievenbus 22:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerns re neutrality of category of "Spain"

I would like to raise some concerns about the neutrality of the category of "Spain" and "Spanish" in light of cultural/national pluralism on the Iberian peninsula. The Spanish nation is relatively recent and its sovereignty is contested. Nothing and no one before the 15th century can be accurately attributed to Spain and many members of autonomous communities today either do not consider themselves Spanish at all or only as a secondary or administrative designation. "Iberian" is a more neutral designation, referring to a geographic scope rather than the projects of nationalism, whether by the Spanish state or members of autonomous communities. Recapitulating the project of the Franco dictatorship to unify Spain under Castilian norms (in his case by cultural genocide) serves the political agenda of the Partido Popular and is therefore not impartial. "Iberian" recognizes the plural ways of life within the borders of modern Spain without privileging one group over another. For example, one in five citizens of Spain speak an Iberian mother tongue other than Castilian. Thus there is no such thing as "the Spanish language" but rather Castilian, Catalan, Euskara, Galician, Aragonese, Aranese, etc. as Iberian languages (which of course includes Portuguese). "Spain" and "Spanish" should be used to refer to aspects of the nation state, citizenship, etc, but not to cultural practices. Sangderuc (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)Sangderuc

However recent the Spanish "nation" may be, the Spanish empire or kingdom dates from the years of the Reconquista, or possibly earlier (i.e. the Visigothic kingdoms preceding Muslim rule). The question is -- at what point did some, if not all, begin to see Iberia as a region that had a common cultural or political heritage and destiny? IMHO, this point clearly passed more than 1,000 years ago. Spain is not defined by simple geography, as is Iberia. Spain is a tradition dating back to Pelayo (an Asturian!); Spain is an empire that ruled much of the Americas; Spain is, if not in your opinion a going concern, at least a historical fact. Independence-minded people in specific Spanish regions share one thing in common with Franco and his ilk: the mistaken belief that "Spanish" and "Castilian" are synonyms. They are not. The latter is a subset of the former, and the former implies pluralism, just like "British" and "German" and "Italian" do. One does not have to believe in centralized government, Castilian superiority or "cultural genocide" to acknowledge that the various peoples of the Iberian Peninsula, excepting (sometimes) Portugal, are, despite their individual identities, tied together by cultural and historical threads stronger than those that bind them to the rest of Europe, or to the world at large; and the generally accepted term for those cultural and political bands is "Spain". ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 01:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for assistance: hare coursing

The article hare coursing includes the following at hare coursing#In other countries:

"According to the UK Government's Burns Inquiry[9], open coursing (UK style) takes place in Spain and park coursing (Irish style) takes place in Portugal. Coursing also takes place in Pakistan. Hare coursing is illegal in most other European countries.[17]"

Can anyone in this wikiproject find any sources describing the existence, notability or debate of hare coursing in Spain? (perhaps better known as hunting hares with galgos not guns). Thank you. MikeHobday (talk) 11:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emery Molyneux: Translation of non-English terms

Help would be much appreciated in translating the following book title appearing in the article which is not in English:

  • "Islas estas descubrio Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa por la corona de Castilla y Leon desde el año 1568 llamolas Islas de Jesus aurque vulgarmente las llaman Islas de Salomon". Is "These islands claimed by Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa for the crown of Castile and León from the year 1568 are the Jesus Islands, commonly called the Solomon Islands" an accurate translation?

Please respond on the article's talk page. Thanks very much! — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 04:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bachillerato

Hi all -- I'm translating an article from the Spanish Wikipedia and I'm trying to figure out which page to link the concept of Bachillerato. The Spanish wiki page's interwiki link goes to the Baccalaureate disambiguation page. Is there a page that covers the specifics of the Bachillerato and what it entails? I read over the article on the European Baccalaureate for EU member states, but it doesn't seem to be right. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 07:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with Ataúlfo Argenta

I just came across this article which is definitely not in compliance with verifiability. It is full of original research and the repetition of rumours verging on slander. It has been the subject of persistent attempts by the single purpose account Tilleadh to revert the removal of the unsourced, unverifiable, and potentially biased information. The subject died 50 years ago (although his son is still alive). It could use some expert attention. Many thanks. Voceditenore (talk) 12:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of continents, countries, and political subdivisions by total area

Hi, I'd appreciates some help in adding the Provinces of Spain to this list. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Latin Europe

Hello WikiProject Spain! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 20:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] National Library of Catalonia

The short article about the National Library of Catalonia was created after Biblioteca de Catalunya, which already existed. The two articles should be merged, but which one should remain -- A or B?

If there is no objection, the resulting choice will likely become A -- and the Catalan-entitled article will be folded into National Library of Catalonia at the end of April. Are there any objections? --Tenmei (talk) 14:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prince of Bourbon

Hello Wikiproject Spain. I recently found the above article through the wikification drive. It looks to me suspiciously like original research, or even a hoax, but as I am not that familiar with the Spanish Monarchy I'd rather leave it to someone who is to review. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 13:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question on scope

Would John McCaa be considered in the scope of this project? Basketball110 14:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish help on Gyromitra esculenta

This text has been in the article on Gyromitra esculenta:

In some countries such as Spain, especially in the eastern Pyrenees, they are traditionally considered a delicacy, and many people report consuming them for many years with no ill effects. Despite this, all false morels are listed as hazardous in official mushroom lists published by the Catalan Government in Spain.

It would be great to get some sourcing, clarification or correction. Any help on the matter much appreciated. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Catalan language

Cross-posting to Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spain, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catalan-speaking Countries

Template:Catalan language has been tagged for speedy deletion, using a template that (as I understand it) is supposed to indicate what should be used instead; no template is indicated to be used instead. I had some back and forth with User:MZMcBride, who tagged it, but I'm afraid that all that revealed is that he and I aren't seeing eye-to-eye.

I haven't been working in Catalan language and culture lately, but this template was once quite heavily used. We created it because there were articles where {{Catalan-speaking world}} was arguably too extensive. Not to put too fine a point on it, Spanish nationalists objected (reasonably, I think) to articles about topics like phonology linking (via that template) to articles about Catalan government agencies, Christmas traditions, etc.. I suspect that what has happened over time someone (probably a Catalan nationalist) has put {{Catalan-speaking world}} back on the contentious articles, and that the template that is now proposed for deletion might be more appropriate on those articles.

But, since he doesn't even say what template he considers to be an acceptable substitute, I feel like I'm wrestling with a fog. Perhaps someone else can do a better job of sorting this out. - Jmabel | Talk 19:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rate

  • Could somebody rate this page - Giourkas Seitaridis. The-Real-ZEUS (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Looks like pretty obvious "start" class, but has little to do with Spain. The fact that a Greek footballer plays for Atleti doesn't really make him a Spanish topic. - Jmabel | Talk 17:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting assistance on Lope de Vega article

Greetings, members of WikiProject Spain! I'm putting out a request for any interested members of the Spain, Theatre, and/or Biography (Arts and Entertainment) Projects to provide some assistance with the article on Lope de Vega. The tone of the much of the text still seems to be from the 1911 Britannica; I believe the article could benefit from the incorporation of material from some additional references, along with the documentation of those references on the article page. "Lope" is definitely a notable figure, with articles listed at 29 "Other Language" interwikis, as of 6 April 2008, and listed as a Featured-Article on Spanish Wikipedia. There should be no shortage of references available :)

I'm requesting assistance at this time, because another editor recently (in my opinion mistakenly and/or inappropriately) deleted much of the article text as being in violation of Wikipedia:Verifiability; I believe this should not have happened, and as of 6 April have restored the deleted text; but the occurence does underscore the fact that the article could use some updating and improved referencing; hopefully by a collaboration of editors.

Thanks, Lini (talk) 02:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article assessment: Diaz

The WikiProject Spain banner on Talk:Diaz shows null values for article assessment. The article has changed substantially and I would encourage your revisiting this banner and providing assessment values for it. Thanks. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 09:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Establishing notability of two spanish articles - Celia en el mundo and Cristina Cruz Mínguez and Celia en el colegio

Anyone familiar with any of this material and can source it or otherwise comment on its notability? I am not familiar with much of spanish culture...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Lavandeira

An article on a Spanish subject, Lavandeira, has been listed for deletion. I have included in this nomination the articles Vermella and A Viridiña. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lavandeira. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? JohnCD (talk) 16:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Update - articles deleted at the author's request. JohnCD (talk) 21:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Satyr

Have you replaced User:SatyrTN's User:SatyrBot? We at WP:CHICAGO are looking for a replacement since he is no longer active. Please respond at my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] War of the Spanish Succession

Is up for Featured Article Review. Please take a look and see if you are interested in helping it come up to current standards. Thank you. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)