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Naming convention for African cities

I have proposed a naming convention for African cities at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)#Convention for Africa. It basically restates current practice, but I would particularly appreciate any comments on the convention as it regards South Africa. Warofdreams 15:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Flag of South Africa FAR

Flag of South Africa has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ministries or Departments?

On Wikipedia, the only designation for the member organizations of the South African Cabinet is "ministries", but the websites of these bureaus designate themselves as "departments". Should they be renamed accordingly? In fact, how long have they been known as "departments" rather than "ministries?" --Toussaint 14:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually the ministry is the office of the cabinet minister, whilst the department is the bureaucracy. Generally there is one ministry for each department. As far as I am aware there has been this distinct from before 1994. Interestingly there is also now a Department of Defense, in addition of the SA National Defence Force. Ozinsky 11:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Revival?

Anyone interested in reviving this WikiProject? My particular slant is South African history, but it seems a shame that SA coverage more generally is so neglected. Surely there must be a few South Africans, or people interested in South Africa, around?

Xdamrtalk 00:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I am very interested in being involved with this WikiProject! I have interest in both SA History and current SA coverage. I have done work on Desmond Tutu, Cape Town, Grahamstown, and Xhosa Wars among others and have created Ben Maclennan and Bill B. Burnett.--Lmcelhiney 17:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I am an Wikipedia newbie who loves the country I live in. I would like to join this project to help improve on all SA - based articles, but I don't feel that I would be of much use to you guys. Is it acceptable if I join anyway, and make any small improvements that I can? Or should I wait until I am more experienced (and less useless)? Please help, am quite nervous... Goldfritter 19:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

ANC & Soviets

Someone from this project may want to look in on Talk:African National Congress#The role of Soviet funding. - Jmabel | Talk 01:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Famous (?) South African frisbee player

An AFD is currently active at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drew Cameron. Participation from members of this project would be extremely welcome. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

International opposition
to Apartheid in South Africa
Campaigns

Disinvestment · Academic boycott
Constructive engagement

Instruments and legislation

UN Resolution 1761 (1962)
Crime of Apartheid Convention (1973)
Gleneagles Agreement (1977)
Sullivan Principles (1977)
Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act (1986)

Organisations

Anti-Apartheid Movement
UN Special Committee against Apartheid
Artists United Against Apartheid
Halt All Racist Tours
Organisation of African Unity

Conferences

1964 Conference for Economic Sanctions
1978 World Conference against Racism

United Nations Security Council Resolutions

Resolution 181
Resolution 191
Resolution 282
Resolution 418
Resolution 435
Resolution 591

Other aspects

Elimination of Racism Day
Biko (song) · Activists
Nelson Mandela 70th Birthday Tribute

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New additions related to the international opposition to apartheid

I created a new article Disinvestment from South Africa, and made significant changes (I hope improvements) to Anti-Apartheid Movement and Sullivan Principles. Also, and maybe more significant, I created a template to tie together all the articles dealing with the international opposition to apartheid. It's on the right. I think it will be useful because it lets individuals learning about the topic from wikipedia easily navigate the various articles on the topic, and it also lets experts quickly identify any major omissions in our coverage. I still need to add a section for the major activists/people to the template. --CGM1980 06:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Johannesburg FAR

Johannesburg has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Epbr123 18:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

2007 Super 14 Final

I have just created this. Considering it was the first all South African final, first one hosted in South Africa, and first to be won by a South African team I thought I'd post here. Any help expanding and improving it would be appreciated. - Shudde talk 03:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Systemshock

Hi. Could I ask some of you to take a look at an AfD for Systemshock, an online community site and forum in South Africa please. Thanks. --Malcolmxl5 07:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Featured article review of Schabir Shaik trial

Schabir Shaik trial has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. — Black Falcon (Talk) 05:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

GA announcement

Frederick Russell Burnham obtained GA status today. Hurray!!! The GA reviewer commented that it is already a very good article and, for FA, he suggests suggest more on Burnham's non-military work. Many thanks for everyone's contributions to-date. It sounds like we can bring it to FA with only a bit more work. Further input and peer review here would be much appreciated. Let's give the team a big hurrah!!! -- Ctatkinson 19:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Party in Cape Town

Just wanted to make sure people here know about this: http://50parties.wikia.com/wiki/1_of_50%2C_Cape_Town

I will be there, would love to have a good turnout of South African Wikipedians! Please spread the word!--Jimbo Wales 13:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Mzoli's Meats

If anyone has information about Mzoli's Meats in Cape Town, it would be great if you could stop by the AFD discussion. Thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 20:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

FAC Announcement

  • Frederick Russell Burnham - Submitted to featured article review on Sept 22, 2007. We've worked hard over the last few months on this South Africa related article and now we've submitted it as a FAC. Please vote and comment, we need your support! -- Ctatkinson 18:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Stub Announcement

Daniel Theron (1871 - 1901) - Boer Captain, scout, and freedom fighter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctatkinson (talkcontribs) 12:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Johannesburg suburbs

Hello,

I found some suburbs in Region 3 (Johannesburg) on the notability backlog for January. Actually I noticed that a number of stub articles (more than 100) have been created on suburbs in this region, and maye also in other regions. Many of these articles are very short, have ever been unexpanded, and may actually never be expanded. They just state "this is a suburb in region 3". While towns are in generally notable, this does not seem to be a reasonable way of presenting information - as long as there's nothing particular to write about these suburbs, they would probably be better described as a list or as short sections in the article about the region. I went ahead and redirected those on the notability backlog, such as Rouxville, Gauteng, to Region 3 (Johannesburg). But I think a general cleanup of the article would be required. --B. Wolterding 12:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

DKY Announcement

Danie Theron is on the Wikipedia main page today in Did You Know?? -- Ctatkinson 19:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Academy

Is everyone here aware of Wikipedia Academy in Johannesburg, South Africa this Saturday? Can you help me make sure that all the good local Wikipedians there are notified and invited to come assist with the event? http://icommons.org/nodes/wikipedia-academy-south-africa --Jimbo Wales 08:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Academy. --LA2 (talk) 00:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

FAR

History of Cape Colony from 1806 to 1870 has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Cheers, Spawn Man (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Danroodt's new page

Could someone please review this editor's contributions? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Danroodt The new page at Transformation (South Africa) doesn't feel right to me -- but I really don't know enough to have an opinion, and am only aware of it because it's provocative first sentence turned up on the disambiguation page at Transformation. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

South Africa at FAR

South Africa has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Victor12 (talk) 01:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Nelson Mandela Being Sworn In.jpg

This image was contributed by a now inactive user, but if anyone here could find a way to make it compliant, it really seems to be critical to South African history. MBisanz talk 20:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Article assistance requested

Hi. An editor has brought concerns about the article Obed Mlaba (mayor of eThekwini) to the biographies of living persons noticeboard at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Obed_Mlaba, as it contains significant negative information with questionable sourcing. I have removed some unsourced controversial material as required by WP:BLP, but I was hoping to get some assistance in reviewing and/or developing the article from editors familiar with the subject and with the sources that might be available. If you are able to help out, it would be appreciated. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed merger with Wikipedia:WikiProject South African municipalities

Given that the above named project is tagged as inactive, and that it scope falls entirely within the scope of this project, I propose that the two projects merge, and myself support such a merger. Thoughts? John Carter (talk) 17:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

  • This was proposed back in May on the the other project and there was no discussion. My thought is that at least on that end WP:SILENCE. Let's make it into a task force post haste.--Doug.(talk contribs) 05:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Templates for Deletion

This MFD: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_January_20#Template:Free_State_infobox suggests a problem with infoboxes. They are set up as separate templates for each province and transcluded on the article pages. Most projects have a single blank infobox which gets transcluded and all the parameters then filled in, the same way the subproject Wikipedia:WikiProject South African municipalities does with {{Zamuni}}. These will all get TfD'd with the probable result that they'll all be subst - which means that they will be much harder to update - we'll have to change each one. We need a new infobox for provinces that can be used for this. Probably one of the existing ones would be a good model.--Doug.(talk contribs) 04:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot request suggestion

We may want to ask for a bot to run a tagging operation on all talk pages (including non-existent ones) associated with articles in Cat:Metropolitan Municipalities of South Africa. Thoughts? Anyone want to construct the request?--Doug.(talk contribs) 21:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessments

As many of you might have noticed, the old {{WikiProject South Africa}} template did not engage in assessments. On that basis, assessment parameters have been added for South Africa to the {{AfricaProject}}. The assessments statistics shown on that page are from the articles which have had the AfricaProject template placed on them and which have been "tagged" for South Africa. I and various bots will be replacing the older WikiProject South Africa banner with the newer AfricaProject banner, with assessments, in the near future. Thank you for your patience. John Carter (talk) 21:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms image requires copyright status

I have noticed that the Coat of arms of South Africa image requires copyright status. Please note that the expiry date is 10 February 2008. I would appreciate if someone is able to add the information. Regards, G.A.S 05:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Split and merge on South Africa under apartheid

I've proposed to remove some content from the (very long) South Africa under apartheid, but given its importance and sensitivity I'd love to have consensus on the changes first. Please see Talk:South Africa under apartheid and contribute if you have an opinion either way. 9Nak (talk) 21:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Township music

Township music is missing. Why, is it not a notable genre? --Ezeu (talk) 04:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)