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[edit] Change to Infobox

I have added the ability to show the resorts snowmaking and night skiing capacity to the infobox, which are both big draws for most eastern ski areas. -- Ubergenius 15:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template for Trails

I have used the following table on my first WikiProject Ski page (Wachusett Mountain Ski Area) and was wondering if you think it should be used on all WikiProject Ski pages:

Easier More Difficult Most Difficult Experts Only
Example Example Example Example
Example Example Example Example

Just a thought, to keep some unity between page content. -- Ubergenius 14:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure a list of trails is called for, mostly due to lack of notability. It's appropriate for an article to refer to a particular named run which is notable: for example a well-known movie shot a scene on it, or where a plane crashed. But famous-so-and-so's favorite run is trivia, not enlightenment. I would think a well-written ski area article describes the area's general characteristics—terrain difficulty distribution (or number of runs) and uphill capacity—as well as its unique attributes—1964 Olympic site, world's first gondola, etc. — EncMstr 18:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I could go either way on this, I understand how a full list of trails for some of the larger resorts (Whistler, Vail) with tons of runs could take up half the page and most people will skip over it. Something like this might be better over at HookedonWinter.com. We should probably start adding links to the HookedonWinter Wiki in the See Also or References sections of all the pages (ie. Okemo). It has tons of good info for people who want to actually go there and want info other than vital stats, etc. Zzz345zzz 18:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps just a count of the trails in each major category? I now agree that having a comprehensive list is probably a bit much, especially considering places with hundreds and hundreds of trails, but maybe a simple difficulty count, like this:

Easier More Difficult Most Difficult Experts Only
7 17 7 2

Would that be more suitable? -- Ubergenius 18:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the latter is much more appropriate. It would be nice to have expert stand out more, perhaps using Jackson Hole coloring:

Easier More Difficult Most Difficult Experts Only
7 17 7 69

It would be really nice to standardize the categories, but that runs into problems with WP:V. Have a look at Timberline Lodge ski area#Terrain. I was fortunate to find a source who calculated detailed statistics and defined the slope ratings. Admittedly, that table is a little intense for most readers—that's why the preceding paragraph gives a simple description. — EncMstr 19:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I have modified Wachusett Mountain Ski Area, the first WikiProject Ski page I created, to reflect this change. I like this new format, it's much more clean. -- Ubergenius 19:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't know how much this is dragging up old business, but as someone who has only ever skied in Europe this looks strange. Would other users find it confusing if the colours of the table were defined by the colours used by the resort's host nation? I know (read: think) US and Canada are Green/Blue/Black/Double Black Diamond, but France use Green/Blue/Red/Black and Switzerland use Blue/Red/Black (either no 'Easier', or no 'Experts Only', depending on how arrogant you are. I guess there's a tradeoff between consistency between articles across borders, and accuracy/usability of the individual article. Thoughts? HazardousWaster 10:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we set this up as a template (in the "{{template page}}" sense) such that we can use parameters like "easier=35" or "most-difficult=12," with 35 and 12 being the number of those trails? Then we could just throw it into articles, AND changes to the WP:SKI template would apply to all pages that use the template (for uniformity). RideABicycle | Talk | 00:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
HazardousWaster is right, we ought to consider that different resorts use different systems...Snowbird UT has intermediate ratings like Blue Square/Black Diamond...this could be dealt with in a template though. Maybe if it was just in the resort box (I mean add a few optional parameters to the resort sidebar). RideABicycle | Talk | 14:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Would it be a good idea to create a infobox template for alpine skiers? But I don't know how to make them. Sporki 18:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I made a really basic info bos we can use for athletes. If you want try to fool around with it, its not very good. Zzz345zzz 08:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be cool to have the infobox have stuff like movies, comp wins, etc. PJ 17:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree. It seemed to me like it was time someone created an infobox template specifically for alpine World Cup skiers. (They already exist for many other types of athletes, including World Cup ski jumpers.) I created a preliminary one; I'd never made one before, so go easy on me if I did something wrong — although I did try to emulate other existing athlete infobox templates. (This one is basically a hybrid of the generic "Athlete" one and the "Ski jumper" one.) It would be great to see someone make a similar template for freestyle skiers, newschoolers, etc.

I have added this to WikiProject Ski's list of templates, and implemented the template at Template:Infobox Alpine ski racer. There is discussion of this template going on over at Talk:2007 Alpine Skiing World Cup.

{{{skiername}}}
{{{image}}}
Country {{{country}}}
Disciplines {{{disciplines}}}
Club {{{club}}}
Skis/boots/bindings {{{skis}}}/{{{boots}}}/{{{bindings}}}
Main sponsor {{{sponsor}}}
Date of birth {{{datebirth}}}
Place of birth {{{birthcity}}}, {{{birthcountry}}}
Date of death {{{datedeath}}}
Place of death {{{placedeath}}}
Height {{{height}}}
Weight {{{weight}}}
World Cup debut {{{wcdebut}}}
Retired {{{retired}}}
Website {{{website}}}
Olympics
Teams {{{olympicteams}}}
Medals {{{olympicmedals}}} ({{{olympicgolds}}} gold)
World Championships
Teams {{{worldsteams}}}
Medals {{{worldsmedals}}} ({{{worldsgolds}}} gold)
World Cup
Seasons {{{wcseasons}}}
Wins {{{wcwins}}}
Podiums {{{wcpodiums}}}
Overall titles {{{wcoveralls}}}
Discipline titles {{{wctitles}}}

Infobox last updated on: {{{updated}}}

Here is an example of how it would look for an individual athlete:

Daron Rahlves
Image:Daron Rahlves.jpg
Country Flag of the United States United States
Disciplines DH, SG, GS
Club Sugar Bowl Ski Team
Skis/boots/bindings Atomic/Atomic/Atomic
Main sponsor Red Bull
Date of birth June 12, 1973
Place of birth Walnut Creek, California, U.S.A.
Height 1.73 m (5'8")
Weight 81 kg (179 lbs.)
World Cup debut March 13, 1994
Retired March 26, 2006
Website http://www.daronrahlves.com
Olympics
Teams 3 (1998, 2002, 2006)
Medals 0
World Championships
Teams 6 (1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2005)
Medals 3 (1 gold)
World Cup
Seasons 13
Wins 12
Podiums 28
Overall titles 0
Discipline titles 0

Infobox last updated on: 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Charolastra charolo 05:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Slight problem guys. Since a lot of our athletes cross over into Olympic territory, there's also an Olympics infobox that is being used on some skiers pages, such as Bode Miller, as well as the template here. I like the way the medals are displayed on is as coloured boxes, and I don't think we really need birthdays or height, as that will go in the main article. However there are some parts of the template we've created for skiers that I like such as world cup debut, ski club and sponsor (though is mentioning the sponsor advertising? Hmmm.) I'd rather make all our articles uniform and I don't want to go around doing something nobody wants, so can we decide which box to use? My vote goes to the olympic one, as it shows which medals were won when/where as opposed to just a number.Apocalypsecabaret (talk) 22:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox ski area

I've made a infobox for ski resorts: Template:Infobox ski area. It contains info for ski areas (such as top and base elevation, anual snowfall, lift system, runs (trails), location). Qyd(talk)16:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I added that to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ski list of templates. Instead of placeholders, it probably should have—at a minimum—logo and photo entries. EncMstr 16:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Companies

I'm all about this project. Should we make some more categories? For example:

  • Companies
    • Skis
    • Boots
    • Clothing
    • Goggles
    • Helmes
  • Resorts
    • East
    • West

etc? PJ 16:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sign Up

If anybody is interested in helping out leave a message here of what you want to start working on. I added a template for skiiers' profiles if you want to use it (or edit it if you want). Also we could use ones for mountains, companies, ect. If you edit any page dont forget to add the join template thing to the discusion page. Zzz345zzz 07:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm in, and I have already created an article about Wachusett Mountain Ski Area in Princeton, Massachusetts and added it to the project. I plan to continue working on various New England resort pages, as that is where most of my skiing knowledge derives from. -- Ubergenius 14:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm in. I just added a section to Breckenridge's page, I think a lot of the resorts need updates of stuff the people who will go to the resorts want to read. --Keflavich 19:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm willing to help. As I get time, I've been updating the articles for a lot of the Colorado resorts that I go to. I've added a "Statistics" sections to several articles like the one seen on the Breckenridge, CO page. I've thought about standardizing that into some sort of template, so perhaps something similar can be incorporated into the template that is being created. Thiseye 05:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm an avid skier, and would love to join this Project. I do not do a lot of wikipedia work, but if I ever have something to contribute to a ski-related article, I do so. It'd be great to be a member of this project, and I await a decision. RideABicycle 02:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I've joined, and have made my first contrib on Falls Creek. My edits will be on Aussie ski resorts. Kingutd 10:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Zzz - tell me what page you want me to work on and I'll do it. Too tired to have my own direction right now :-) -- PJ 14:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Mikeh0303 - I can get info on the armada ski company.
  • HazardousWaster - interested in technique/technology pages, e.g. Carve Turn -- HazardousWaster 10:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm interested in helping update the K2 page. Now that K2-Inc is part of Jarden, "K2" is more who it used to be: the ski & snowboard (& more) brand, no longer the parent company of Rawlings, etc. But I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia, so this might take me a while. For starters: there should be a separate "Jarden" page that covers alot of the K2-Inc stuff, and "K2" can be it's own thang.... I'll dive into this more after I read up on how to do it right....Shuksan Arm 21:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pages edited by members

These are pages that our members have worked on so far, but are not necessarily done. Keep adding to the list by adding stubs, or the Category template on the main page. To view pages click here or on the WikiProject Ski category link at the bottom on any page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zzz345zzz (talk • contribs) 21:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Competitions

How about a section or few pages on various big competitions (ie x games, us open, etc.)? Take a look at Bode Miller's page. There's a whole template at the bottom of all the past winners for world cups. That would be cool to have for some of the competitions.

PJ 17:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Combination

I was looking at the wikiproject sport and was looking at the lack of a Wikiproject winter sport. But then i found wikiproject ski. Would it be an idea to make an larger wikiproject that included all the elements from wikiproject ski and from it into a large wikiproject winter sports that included much more that just the skiing side of winter sports. Such as

  • everything wikiproject ski has
  • snowboarding
  • bobsleding etc
  • winter olympics
  • redlinks from snowsport pages such as winter sport

Just like to know your thoughts on this Edwardkindred

[edit] Trail difficulty

There should be an article on the common scales of ranking the difficulty of ski runs and their corresponding symbols, i.e. easy/intermediate/advanced, green circle/blue square/black diamond, exports only, double black diamonds, triangular yellow caution signs, etc. Right now, Black Diamond only has a short explanation about that single ranking and a link to Alpine Skiing, which doesn't talk about it at all. Pimlottc 23:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I now see there is a bit of this discussion in the Skiing article. I missed it since Alpine Skiing is a seperate article. Those should probably be merged.
Regardless, I still think it would be better to have a seperate article for this topic. Pimlottc 23:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just cuz it's summer...

I've noticed that there hasn't been an update to the project page or discussion in almost a month. I say we get back into it while we have time, since we're not all out on the slopes. What da ya say?! PJ 20:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea. But I guess that the former interested users have lost interest in doing this and moved on to other things. --Siva1979Talk to me 20:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess the OG's can't handle the pressure. I'm in though...it's July and I'm starting to twitch from lack of snow! --Iskitoofast4u 04:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stub type for renaming

I just found your {{ski stub}} template today, and I've put it up for renaming at WP:SFD. The standard naming convention is that stub-types are hyphenated, like {{ski-stub}}. Also, please go through WikiProject Stub sorting Proposals first before creating stubs for your Project. Thanks, ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 14:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HookedOnWinter

I figured this was probably the best place to talk about this. I started a new website dedicated to skiing and snowboarding and all things related. It has a wiki. The rules are different in it, but it's the same program as this one. The main difference is that opinion is not only allowed, but asked for. Go check it out. Tell me what you think.

HookedOnWinter.com

PJ

Update - I'm officially marketing my site now, and am putting out press releases tomorrow. Would anyone be opposed to me adding a link to the Skiing and Newschool pages? Searles2sels (PJ) 22:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Movies

Thought we should add/expand some pages for movies and prod. companies (MSP, TGR, PBP, etc). Zzz345zzz

[edit] Mission

New season starting soon and we should get some new pictures for the pages. (The little skier we have in all the templates is getting old.) Be sure to let us know when you upload some new ones so we can check them out and use them. Zzz345zzz 02:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cross country skiing

Is the project also for real skiing (I mean cross country skiing) or just for downhill skiing? The name suggest that both should be included but the project page does not look like that. --Jan Smolik 21:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we can assume that cross country skiing fits in here as well. Otherwise, it should be renamed to downhill skiing or something like that.Larspedia 19:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ski Portal?

Yes, no, maybe? I think it deserves more than just the Sports and Games portal, I mean, figure skating has it's own why shouldn't we. Opinions? Canadian-Bacon t c e 08:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] La Plagne

Hi WP:SKI-ers. Can I get you to intervene in a little debate (part in English part in French) between User talk:RomGuig and myself about the inclusion of an infobox in the La Plagne article. Other European ski resorts don't have an infobox, but it seems most of Wikipedia's better articles have the boxes included. Could the members cast opinions on the matter. --Montchav 16:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Lizzienew 22:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dry surfaces

Not technically a winter sport, as they're used when there's no snow around, and I don't know how prevalent they are in countries other than the UK, but I think they are large enough to warrant acknowledging on Wikipedia. About 75% (unverified estimate) of British competitions take place on surfaces other than snow, but could still reasonably be classified under snowsport/winter sports given that they still involve all the same events, equipment and techniques. Thoughts? -- HazardousWaster 10:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Definitely part of WP:SKI; its an emulation of a winter sport. The snow domes in the middle east count as winter sports venues; there was even a FIS Europa-cup race at an indoor facility in Belgium (I think). RideABicycle | Talk | 00:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Including non-snow surfaces creats difficulty in distinguising between skiing and skating. Nordic ski boots and bindings are used with some types of iceskates, and the difference between a x-c roller-ski and an in-line skate is in only in the boot/binding setup. If non-snow surfaces are included then some rational needs to be made for why skiing isn't a type of skating or vs. versa. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lizzienew (talk • contribs) 23:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC).

Skiing and skating are somewhat related; one can skate on skis (even alpine skis). It is important to remember that cross country skiing is part of WP:SKI. Also, we must remember that roller-skis are of a different construction than inline skates, and one uses poles for the former. We don't need to define the differences between skiing and skating; they are quite clear. We just need to keep in mind what sport an articles' subject is used for/related to. RideABicycle | Talk | 23:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SL/GS/SG/DH?

I've noticed the example template for skier bios uses these abbreviations. Before they're mass-added to all bios, can I suggest that instead we use the full names Slalom / Giant Slalom / Super-G / Downhill. I don't think that this would overflow the column and cause visual style issues, and would be considerably easier to read (especially for readers who are not as familiar with racing as us). -- HazardousWaster 10:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea. I'll change it tomorrow after I get some sleep. Or someone else could go ahead and do it... :) -- Charolastra charolo 05:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Would Like to join Project Ski

Just recently I had created the Gore Mountain article and I actually like making articles of that sort, I ski at a wide variety of places in the Northeastern US and I also enjoy photography (I like taking pictures of every mountain I go to). I wont be doing much picture taking over the coming months, but I would like to join your project and inlude a few of my pictures and or knowledge about ski resorts and topics. I would appreciate it if you could get back to me soon about joining your wiki project, Thank you very much! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iant333 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

  • I'm definitely interested in joining this project. I know a lot about the ski areas in the Pacific Northwest since I ski there all the time. I could also help with some resorts in BC and other scattered locations across the Western US. I am also a big fan of the FIS Alpine World Cup. If you need any help in those areas (most likely, I presume), then I'm your guy. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, as well, so I'll be learning the ropes as I go. Skierbum69 02:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Rating System/Revised project notice box

I've noticed many WikiProjects have a rating system for pages. We could do the same via a new WikiProject banner (the one we put at the top of talk pages) with a rating mechanism built in. It would place all rated articles in a corresponding category, which would allow easier division of labor within the WikiProject. A maintained Article counter box on the WikiProject page could tabulate all WP:SKI articles by rating as well, as a way to track our progress. The rating should be done following a set guidelines available on WP:SKI, and its rationale recorded on the article's talk page. Not too coincidentally, I have put together a Banner we could use. It is viewable at User:RideABicycle/test/Sandbox/Ski-Template and its instructions for use can be found at User talk:RideABicycle/test/Sandbox/Ski-Template. We might consider using Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/Assessment as the basis for our own Assessment system. RideABicycle | Talk | 00:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This appears to be of extra importance in relation to the offline versions now being organized ( see Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team ). Assesment by wikiprojects are being used in choosing articles ready for inclusion. Go for it! ∴ here…♠ 07:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I like it. Let's do it! --Searles2sels (PJ) 15:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't forget about nordic skiing

Just to remind you all not to forget about Nordic skiing, including the disciplines af cross country skiing, ski jumping, and Nordic combined. Three of the eleven events that have been in every Winter Olympics come from this skiing discipline: men's ski jumping individual large hill, men's 50 km cross country skiing, and men's Nordic combined 18 km/ 15 km individual Gundersen. The articles are complete both in their respective sections at the Winter Olympics and at the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships if you are interested in looking at them. Chris 01:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletions

  • 28 September 2007 - expires 3 October
Ski Wings (via WP:PROD)
--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Resolved


[edit] Comments, suggestions

I think the pages DO need a table of difficulty as proposed earlier. Also, the infobox - how about adding NASTAR? Most hills offer it, and it's a big draw for those that do. Also, does Skicross deserve something somewhere? Perhaps an infobox of the type of skiing available: xcountry, DH, Terrain, Snowboard (as you know, some hills still ban it), Skicross, Tree Skiing, etc. A way of summing up the hill at a glance.

I added the infobox to the Wilmot Mountain page. I see that there is no page for Indianhead - I'm heading up there over New Years so can work on it when I return. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickdrew (talk • contribs) 08:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I just created the Indianhead Mountain page - only a start. Began with images and the infobox. I now know what new images I need to shoot next ween when I'm there. If the rain stays away! --Rickdrew (talk) 07:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at [[1]] - they have an interesting collection of infoboxes. Also, what do you do when some twit keeps putting the "this page recommended immediate deletion" warning on pages? He does not like the hill, so wants the page gone. --Rickdrew (talk) 09:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


Hi guys,

What about adding a true vertical field to the info box. I have already implemented this on the Berkshire East page but I have reached resistance from an ex employee who keeps undoing my changes. I think this fair and accurate (and citable via USGS quads). Advertised vertical is almost universally wrong and true vertical should be included for an accurate and honest assessment of the ski area.

Thanks, NHguardian —Preceding unsigned comment added by NHguardian (talk • contribs) 14:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Will Main

I put Will Main, supposedly a freestlye skier, up for deletion. Because his name has two common nouns, web searches aren't so useful. Thought I'd give you the heads-up on it anyway. --Montchav (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vertical Drop in Infobox Ski Template

All, I just wanted to bring your attention to an issue we've been having in some east coast ski area articles. A user has been going through and using topo maps to get the vertical drop numbers. There is no exact way to come up with this number, short of having a certified survey done, so this tends to fall under the 'original research' tag. Certainly ski areas are known to round (some very generously) their vertical drops in an upward manner, so I've tried to compromise by citing the vertical drop number to an industry wide source (in this case, SnoCountry). A brief discussion of this matter has taken place over at Template_talk:Infobox_ski_area. Please let me know if you have any feedback - I'm trying to put an end to some editwarring and sockpupetry. Thank you! Jrclark (talk) 18:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

'Note: If this cannot be resolved here, it should ultimately be taken to WP:Rfc--Pgagnon999 (talk) 22:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ski jumping World Cup winners footer

Hello. FYI, I have created a footer template for the overall winners of the Ski jumping World Cup, similar to the one used for the winners of the alpine World Cup.

v • d • e
Ski jumping World Cup winners (overall)
1979/80: Hubert Neuper | 1980/81: Armin Kogler | 1981/82: Armin Kogler | 1982/83: Matti Nykänen | 1983/84: Jens Weissflog | 1984/85: Matti Nykänen | 1985/86: Matti Nykänen | 1986/87: Vegard Opaas | 1987/88: Matti Nykänen | 1988/89: Jan Boklöv | 1989/90: Ari-Pekka Nikkola | 1990/91: Andreas Felder | 1991/92: Toni Nieminen | 1992/93: Andreas Goldberger | 1993/94: Espen Bredesen | 1994/95: Andreas Goldberger | 1995/96: Andreas Goldberger | 1996/97: Primož Peterka | 1997/98: Primož Peterka | 1998/99: Martin Schmitt | 1999/2000: Martin Schmitt | 2000/01: Adam Małysz | 2001/02: Adam Małysz | 2002/03: Adam Małysz | 2003/04: Janne Ahonen | 2004/05: Janne Ahonen | 2005/06: Jakub Janda | 2006/07: Adam Małysz | 2007/08: Thomas Morgenstern

--Badmotorfinger (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Snowboard proposal

I've put forward a proposal for a separate WikiProject Snowboard, as I feel that snowboarding is a large enough area to warrant its own project, and many of the articles are in need of attention. Any takers/thoughts?TheSnowApe (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC) PS please don't let this become a skiing vs. boarding debate, it's been done to death! :-)