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[edit] Naming conventions
The basis for rnaming articles as incorporated into Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards#Article names on 25 April, 2007, is:
[edit] Main points
- For naming articles on Scout organisations/associations, we use an English name if the organisation itself verifiably uses an unique English name in its own documents (if we can not find such a name, we ask the organisation for a name and a source for its use).
- If no official English name becomes available, we seek consensus on whether there is one clear translation to English of the organisation's name and use that. If there are several translations that differ only trivially, we seek consensus on whether one of them can be used. By trivial, we mean different prepositions (e.g. "in" or "of") or word order ("Scout Association" or "Association of Scouts")
- If no consensus is reached on point (2), we seek consensus whether the "Scouting in XXX" proposal (see below) can be used to write a complete article on all aspects of Scouting in a particular country to replace the article with a contentious title.
- Failing resolution of an English name from points (1) - (3), we use the official non-English name.
[edit] Related points
Separate from these key proposals we note:
- We use the now completed "Scouting in XXX" proposal to give English names for readers to find articles about Scouting in all countries, whether English speaking or not, and without having to know the name of the Scout organisation in the country. These can be redirects, disambiguation pages or articles. In some cases we should also create "Guiding in XXX" or "Scouting and Guiding in XXX" links in the same way as above.
- We will be extremely liberal in the use of redirects both to the "Scouting in XXX" articles (e.g. "Scouting in USA") and to the individual articles of organisations (almost any plausible translation - redirects are cheap).
[edit] Summary
We try to find whether the organisation uses an official English name. Failing that we see whether there is an obvious translation. If that is not unique, are the different translations trivial in the sense that they translate back to the same name. We use Scouting in XXX, for all countries XXX including English-speaking countries, as a redirect, a disambiguation page or a brief article. If the first two points do not resolve the name, we consider using Scouting in XXX to cover ALL aspects of Scouting in the country. If that is not acceptable, due perhaps to there being many Scout organisations and the argument is only about the name of one of them, we use the non-English name used by the organisation itself. We then use any English translation as a redirect to the non-English title. Note, if this summary conflicts with the points above, it needs to be corrected as the points above are the agreed wording.
[edit] Matrix
I have left in place this set of tables that was added by evrik on 28 October 2006. I hope to improve them as a basis for renaming articles according to the procedures agreed and keep track of the activity. This may have to wait for a while. --Bduke 09:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Europe
The following are the countries listed at {{EuropeanScout}}.
[edit] The Americas
The following are the countries listed at {{InteramericanScout}}.
[edit] Asia Pacific Scouting
The following are the countries listed at {{Asia-PacificScout}}.
| Article name | WOSM National Scout Organisation name | Proposed alternates |
|---|---|---|
| Bhutan Scout Tshogpa | None | Bhutan Scouts Association |
| Persekutuan Pengakap Negara Brunei Darussalam | Brunei Darussalam National Scout Association | |
| Gerakan Pramuka | Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Movement | |
| Persekutuan Pengakap Malaysia | The Scouts Association of Malaysia | Malaysian Scouts Association |
| Mongoliyn Skautiyn Holboo | The Scout Association of Mongolia official translation [16] |
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| Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien | None | Polynesian Scout Council Council of the Polynesian Scout Movement |
[edit] African Scouting
The following are the countries listed at {{AfricaScout}}.
| Article name | WOSM National Scout Organisation name | Proposed alternates |
|---|---|---|
| Scoutisme Béninois | Benin Scouting | Beninese Scout Movement |
| Fédération Burkinabé du Scoutisme | Scout Federation of Burkina Faso | Burkinabé Federation of the Scout Movement |
| Association des Scouts du Burundi | Scout Association of Burundi | |
| Les Scouts du Cameroun | Boy Scouts of Cameroon | |
| Associação dos Escuteiros de Cabo Verde | Scout Association of Cape Verde | |
| Fédération du Scoutisme Tchadien | Scout Federation of Chad | Federation of the Chadian Scout Movement |
| Wezombeli | The National Scout Association of Comoros | Association Nationale du Scoutisme Comorien |
| Fédération des Scouts de la République démocratique du Congo | The Scout Federation of the Democratic Republic of The Congo | Scout Federation of the Democratic Republic of The Congo |
| Fédération Ivoirienne du Scoutisme | Scout Federation of Côte d'Ivoire | Scout Federation of the Ivory Coast |
| Fédération Gabonaise du Scoutisme | Scouting Federation of Gabon | Gabonese Federation of the Scout Movement |
| Firaisan'ny Skotisma eto Madagasikara | Scout Federation of Madagascar | Fédération du Scoutisme Malagasy Federation of the Malagasy Scout Movement |
| Liga dos Escuteiros de Moçambique | League of Scouts of Mozambique | League of the Scouts of Mozambique |
| Association des Scouts du Niger | Scouts Association of Niger | Scout Association of Niger |
| Association des Scouts du Rwanda | Scout Association of Rwanda | |
| Confédération Sénégalaise du Scoutisme | Senegalese Scout Confederation | Senegalese Confederation of the Scout Movement |
| Association Scoute du Togo | Scout Association of Togo |
[edit] Arab Region Scouting
The following are the countries listed at {{ArabScout}}.
| Article name | WOSM National Scout Organisation name | Proposed alternates |
|---|---|---|
| Fédération du Scoutisme Libanais | Lebanese Scout Federation | Federation of the Lebanese Scout Movement |
| Association des Scouts et Guides de Mauritanie | The Scout and Guide Association of Mauritania | Scout and Guide Association of Mauritania |
| Fédération Nationale du Scoutisme Marocain | National Federation of Moroccan Scouting | National Federation of the Moroccan Scout Movement |
| Les Scouts Tunisiens | The Scouts of Tunisia | Tunisian Scouts, Tunisian Scouts Association Both official translations [17], [18] |
Note: Nearly all members of the WOSM-Arab region have official names in two or three languages, mostly in English (or French) and Arab. --jergen 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Eurasian Scout Region
The following are the countries listed at {{EurAsiaScout}}.
| Article name | WOSM National Scout Organisation name | Proposed alternates |
|---|---|---|
| Hayastani Azgayin Scautakan Sharjum Kazmakerputiun | Armenian National Scout Movement | National Scout Movement of Armenia official translation [19] |
| Association of Scouts of Azerbaijan | The Association of Scouts of Azerbaijan | Azerbaican Skaut Assosiasiyasi |
| Sakartvelos Skauturi Modzraobis Organizatsia | Georgian Organization of the Scout Movement official translation [20] |
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| Organizaţia Naţională a Scouţilor din Moldova | The National Scout Organization of Moldova | National Organization of the Scouts of Moldova |
| Russian Association of Scouts/Navigators | Russian Association of Scouts/Navigators | |
| Ittihodi Scouthoi Tojikiston | Scout Association of Tajikistan | Associatsia Skautov Tadjikistana |
[edit] WAGGGS members
Lists only existing articles, for full list see List of World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts members:
[edit] Notes
- İzcilik translates to "tracking; scouting" no Guiding in name. --Egel Reaction? 11:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Many languages or associations don't know the distinction between (Boy) Scout and (Girl) Guide and use the same word for both; in most cases WOSM translates this to Scouts and Guides or Scouting and Guiding.
- Scoutisme etc. is normally translated as Scouting but means in nearly all cases Scout movement. --jergen 13:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
