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Copyright free photos for our articles on Aust RL Old Timers

Have relocated this dialgoue to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sticks66#Copyright_free_photos_for_our_articles_on_Aust_RL_Old_Timers.

Since it took lots of space and the job is now done (thanks to Florrie) -Sticks66 12:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I have also put a duplicate in this page's archives.  The Windler talk  12:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

australian internationals

Today, the ARL announced that WorldCup games would be equal to Test matches for all australians.

Previously, players only had their test matches recorded against their nmes.

Now both are counted.

Eg. Darren Lockyer has played 36 tests, but now is considered to have played 41.

We may need to change various players infoboxs.

Proof: nrl.com (Go to http://nrl.com/News/Latest/tabid/10244/default.aspx?id=50299)

 The Windler talk  08:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Important news. Thanks for letting us know Joel. So this means the Australian rep appearances in the infobox needs to make no distinction between Test and World Cup. Generally I've been doing this of late but there are certainly instances eg Brian Clay where an update is needed. I wonder what this means about the reference to "full international" where due to this distinction Stephen Knight (rugby footballer) for instance was not called a full RL international. I guess he is now. -Sticks66 06:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
If the match was not played against another international side, I don't think it should be considered a full international. Tour matches against local clubs aren't tests or world cup matches or full internationals. It is for this reason that Wayne Bennett has a zero next to Australia in his infobox. It's important to show that he was selected and did tour with the Kangaroos (playing some matches against local clubs there), but he didn't play against New Zealand.--Jeff79 (talk) 12:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
That's alright.  The Windler talk  02:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's be quite clear about this and what we're agreeing as a result of this NRL reclassification:

Stephen Knight (rugby footballer) only played two RWC pool games, they were always Intls just not Tests & in some books and some of our articles a distinction has been made between the two. As a result of the NRL reclassification we no longer need make the distinction.

Wayne Bennett played only tour matches and Jeff how you propose we show that in the infobox is by having the Australian rep classification appear but with (0) next to it. I'm not sure this is necessarily a crystal-clear disclosure but like you I don't necessarily believe that an Infobox needs tell the full story since that's what the body of an article is for. So in the absence of a better suggestion I agree with the approach.

I think it's important to clarify though that Bennett was undoubtedly an International. Similarly Jim Lisle is unquestionably referred to as a dual-code international even though all his RL national appearances were only tour matches. Perhaps we should just leave this "full international" distinction to other sources. So I'm sorry I brought it up. Sticks66 07:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

jerseys

I feel quite proud of these I made:

1988-1991

1992-1996

1997-1998

1999-2001

2002-present

Hope you like it.  The Windler talk  07:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I think they are really excellent for the Brisbane Broncos article, but putting them in players' articles seems like desparation for content. Good work on them.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I put them on the Brisbane Broncos articles, but I'd thought you'd remove them off to the history page. I replaced these images with Image:BRONCOS-shirt.svg on the Justin Hodges page.
If any one wants me to make any of these (though not lots), just request it to me (preferably on my talk page). (Though I don't want hard ones like the 1997 version above).  The Windler talk  08:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

These were simple:

See SpecialWindler's gallery for jerseys, once here.

 The Windler talk  11:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

These are fabulous, Joel! If you feel the urge to do more, some Balmain, Wests, Wests Tigers would be wonderful! •Florrie•leave a note• 11:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I won't be making any more unless requested, I may get round to Wests and Balmain, but the Wests Tigers is complicated (there are so many). If I do, you'll find it at my gallery.  The Windler talk  09:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for those, Joel. I'll grab the Wests and Balmain ones for their pages in a few days. The WT one is too difficult, I agree - I thought about that after I requested it. Plus, what have there been? 5 or 6 plus alternates in the last 8 years! •Florrie•leave a note• 09:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Here are the Wests ones, I'll get round to Balmain, but I'm a little busy at the moment. The 1908 one is above. * signifies estimate date.
See SpecialWindler's gallery for jerseys, once here.

 The Windler talk  06:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice one, Joel. They look great! •Florrie•leave a note• 01:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
That's alright, I've made a few more now:
See SpecialWindler's gallery for jerseys, once here.

Hope that helps, anybody.  The Windler talk  01:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


  • Wow these are awesome, great work! Can ask you where you got the template for the jersey and shorts from? I'd like to play around with some designs. Bongomanrae (talk) 10:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

images

In reference to the discussion earlier, where Florrie uploaded many images from archives.

Just as a hint: for Florrie and future image uploaders.

Please put the source of the image on the image summary page. This will prevent the image from being deleted.  The Windler talk  06:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

They've been tagged? :( I was only following Boylo's path. So should I use the 'found on a website' upload, not the public domain? •Florrie•leave a note• 00:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The source website or the exact url? I discovered I put the source on Harold Horder, but not the others for some reason. •Florrie•leave a note• 00:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
They are in the public domain, but someone on Wikipedia will look at the image, it has no identification of what it is, where it came from. And they will say, well it's suspisious, so delete it. Just a URL, just something to source what it is or when it was made or where it is from.  The Windler talk  01:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that. When i was given information on how to use those pre 1955 images they forgot to mention what other info may need to be cited. From looking at it, it would be advisable to add the reason it passes the rationale, such as 'taken pre 1955' and the url of site it was found at. As far as pre 1955 images that state they are still copyright, i cant say if they can be used or not, as they may have had copyright renewed upon them before expiring. Boylo (talk) 23:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
No worries, I've added the url but I'll pop along and add date taken as well. Cheers, •Florrie•leave a note• 00:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

Why does this page archive so quickly? I don't think it's excessively long. Can someone fix it? It is ok if it builds up a bit y'know. People may take time getting around to replying to these threads.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I've extended it from 14 days to 28 days.  The Windler talk  08:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

pic

Just a quick question/test:

Is there any user who can't see the following picture, directly below this line

If this works/dosent work respond. Please do, Thanks.

It is above this line, and when you click it, it goes to directly to an article instead of the Image file.

Just a test. It's not about the picture but the code. Any responds would be appreciated. Thanks  The Windler talk  10:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I can see the image below the line and it links to Bronco article. Boylo (talk) 23:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Ditto. •Florrie•leave a note• 00:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of changing the {{leagueicon}} to link the images to the article rather than the image page.  The Windler talk  10:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Study on collaborative writing

I am doing a study on collaborative writing on Wikipedia - I hope to present a paper on the topic at Wikimania. If you would like to be interviewed over email, please leave a note on my talk page or email me. Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Team of the Century

As the Team of the Century will be announced next Thursday night, should we organise a format for the player's articles? I also wondered if it would be possible to use the official graphic on the articles? Would it pass muster do you think? •Florrie•leave a note• 02:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest that the Article reference just lead on from the sentence that we put in for the 100 (with another appropriate citation of course). And perhaps a NavBox ? Graphic ? We'll I don't know much about that. -Sticks66 05:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
eg In February 2008, Churchill was named in the list of Australia's 100 Greatest Players (1908-2007) which was commissioned by the NRL and ARL to celebrate the code's centenary year in Australia. That same year Churchill was selected in the "Team of the Century" being the panels' majority choice of the best selection for each of the 13 positions + 4 interchange.

Position field in Infobox

Am I right in thinking that because the Position field is a sub-set of "Current Club" then I have to have an entry in Club in order for the position to show ? If so this seems a little clunky. I don't mind inserting "Retired" for recent players but with some of the old timers either "Retired" or "Deceased" seems a bit crass . What do we think ? -Sticks66 12:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree with putting 'retired' or 'deceased' there at all. Its purpose is to show what position a person plays or played at. Just looking at the years the player was playing will show you quickly if he's retired, along with the very first sentence of most players' articles. Certainly a player's position is something that should be shown 'at-a-glance' in the infobox. I'm convinced that that is its intended purpose.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
It's a field that is always optional, so... you can leave it completly. Or I could add a parameter that would change "Current club" to "something else like "Football details", or someting.  The Windler talk  13:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I put in "retired" to make the position field show but I would prefer not to have to do that. So if it could be fixed so we can enter a position without anything else, that'd be great. •Florrie•leave a note• 13:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Template syntax

I propose that we seperate the years a player plays at a place.

That didn't make sense, even to me, so I use examples.

For Brad Fittler, he played with Penrith between 1989–1995 and in the template the syntax is:
| year1 = 1989&!ndash;1995

But I question, other than us dedicated rugby league project users, who is going to put the &!ndash; (Even I admit that I hardly do it)(The ! is there to prevent it doing the dash)

But if we seperate the parameter to say:

| year1start = 1989
| year1end = 1995

And in the template syntax it puts the dash there, it would be easier.  The Windler talk  02:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It is a pain typing it in every time. As long as the syntax displays an en-dash without spaces (as it appears to do on Fittler's infobox), I'm happy with it. One less thing to do. •Florrie•leave a note• 02:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I've begun writing a request for a bot to do the conversions, and one extra thing for it to do won't hurt.
Frankly, if anyone thought we would be doing this manually, then I wouldn't be supporting it, but.  The Windler talk  02:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
It'll be a huge enough job adding in the points breakdown. •Florrie•leave a note• 04:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Good idea with the new code. MDM (talk) 03:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league/New articles

Added a link for this page to the main project page.Londo06 15:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

From above project page: If you're bored, why not add the project tag to red-linked talk pages in the list below.
I looked through the history of a lot of these articles to see which editors are being lazy about the project banners - and, it's you! So, here's an idea - why not add the banners as you create the articles rather than leaving it up to others to do the drudge work? And while you are at that, you could also save someone else time by adding the appropriate {{***-rugbyleague-bio-stub}} tag to the article space. •Florrie•leave a note• 23:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Grumpy, much.Londo06 23:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
You bring out the best in me. •Florrie•leave a note• 09:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I have purposely not assessed my created articles, not due to laziness, but in fact to my own unfounded position on assessing ones own creations. Sorry. The relevant stub, where appropriate would also follow that on. The purpose of creating the page was to help bring a little order to the little chaos with regards to the number of new articles that are created.Londo06 23:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to assess them, just add the {{WikiProject Rugby league}}  The Windler talk  00:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
But they can be rated. Two line entry = stub. Importance = low (for the vast majority of players). •Florrie•leave a note• 09:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Of course they can, but I'd rather them just add the tag, and not worry about assessing.  The Windler talk  10:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I shall add tags to any future articles I create. I had previously not done so as I mistakenly thought I was not meant to assess my own articles. You can begin to understand why; one user may see an article as B-mid, but to another user it could be start-low.Londo06 10:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

jersey note

Florrie, I have done the Wests Tigers 2008 jerseys, and am working on their previous ones now. The 08 ones are on my gallery page.

I have done all jerseys except the Warriors, Raiders, Sharks, old Gold Coast, Hunter, Knights, , Parramatta, Penirth, Norths and Western Reds (and Wests Tigers). Though most of them I plan to do soon, except Warriors. The Windler talk  06:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the jerseys, Joel. Might inspire me to get on with the WT article revamp! (Once again, my apologies for missing a thread. Totally didn't see this last night!) •Florrie•leave a note• 00:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Position of Choice

Since we're all for canvassing each other at the moment to try to get consensus. here's one from me. I really struggle with the body-copy assertionHis position of choice is at....... Do we really know a player's position of choice ? And mightn't it change over his career ? Today I saw one that said Greg Bird's position of choice is either second row, lock or five-eighth. What, can't he make his mind up ? My suggestion is that we make only a factual assertion eg He plays at either...... or He played most of his career at ...... Or as a complete alternative sometimes work it into a broader leading paragraph Greg Bird is a representative Australian RL blah-blah, a lock-forward whose club career is with blah-blah... Any views ? -Sticks66 12:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I've just been using it, and thought a player may want to play there but often plays elsewhere. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 12:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Totally agree with sticks.--Jeff79 (talk) 12:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
He plays, rather than he is, sits well with me. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 13:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, I just picked it up from existing articles and went with it - that or primarily plays at which I prefer. More than happy to expand it, re-word it. On that - can we keep to one position (primary position) in the infobox? A lot of players play around the field during their career but we don't need to list every single instance, do we? •Florrie•leave a note• 13:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the phrase "position of choice", it jars badly. If people must refer to a favourite position then another phrase ought to be found.GordyB (talk) 13:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

And content regarding a person's preferences should probably be referenced.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I think this might all track back to myself. I think I would originally have taken this from a former rugby union players page. While it is fine for a player who no longer played the game, and indeed have a position that he preferred it holds water, it probably does rankle a few, possibly even myself. The reason I have used it is that primarily plays at needs as much a citation as choice. Is, plays as, as, all have merits. Looking through a variety of sporting articles over the last year there does not appear to be a standard that is adhered to. Probably one out there, or an option or two that can be agreed upon.Londo06 19:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Eric Weissel Oval

I've updated the Eric Weissel Oval article and added some sources. Not a lot of history that is public with most hidden (I'll need access of the Regional Archives at CSU Wagga but unlikely to happen). The oval isn't used now (which is a huge shame). Bidgee (talk) 10:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Good job. Shame about the re-development. At least it's now Wiki World famous.-Sticks66 11:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth

Today's Did you know? is updated with fact from the article onBrian Hambly. Who would have thought that the world might care about Australia's 100 Greatest Players! -Sticks66 06:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Good work!

Votes

Some of the votes were unresolved. We now need to reach consesus on the issues that were unresolved. When all decisions are mad, we should be able to change the infobox over. Sorry for my overediting too.  The Windler talk  07:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Where exactly are we to voice our opinions? Above the header would seem to create a fair bit of clutter. Alexsanderson83 23:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Under the litle template that says unresolved and just before the heading for the next vote. Theres nothing there at them moment.  The Windler talk  05:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Cheers, just making sure. Alexsanderson83 05:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Not sure how much progress has been made, but to me the major bone of contention seems to be whether to include non-current NRL and Super League clubs on the infobox. I would propose a section labelled 'Other clubs' and we could differentiate elsewhere. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Dumb question

Sorry for the dumb question, but where is the archive for the RL:Project talk page ? -Sticks66 13:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Underneath the green contents table. Not dumb. I had trouble finding it myself the other day. It's in a collapsible table. •Florrie•leave a note• 13:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Now it is above the green contents table. I moved it. Works better in Mozilla and my IE tab now. Is it okay for everyone else? •Florrie•leave a note• 13:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)