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This article is part of WikiProject Rowing, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to rowing on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
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[edit] Project start

Hello all and welcome to the project. It's good to see people joining up already. I'm hoping this trend will continue, but in order to help it along I've made a template. If you see an active user has made edits to one or more rowing articles then start a new topic on their user talk page and add the tag: {{WikiProject Rowing invite}}.

As for the project itself, I started it out because there seems to be quite a few rowing wikipedians around and a co-ordinated effort can do great things compared to individuals working solo. Most of the project page I copy edited from other succesful projects. Feel free to change it as you wish and suggest new ideas/areas to work on, the only rules are the policies laid down by Wikipedia.

Other than that, have fun contributing--The Spith 16:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rowing terms template

I'm tempted to make a template describing the abbreviations of boat classes. One person asked on the talk page of the Rowing World records what they meant and rather than having to type it out time and again, a template could be quickly inserted on relevant articles.--The Spith 16:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rowing Sub template

The template currently produces the page it's on as the main article (see cox box I'm guessing this is not how it's supposed 2 work but don't know how to fix it. --Nate1481 21:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories and templates are different things. If you were trying to add the article to the 'rowing' and 'coxes' categories then you would type [[Category:Rowing]] and [[Category:Coxes]], using the square brackets. Using the funny shaped brackets will produce a copy of the page you are linking to, which is why the contents of the rowing and coxes categories were being added to the article. These brackets are only used for templates e.g. {{WikiProject Rowing}}.

I've fixed the page for you. Hope that clears things up--The Spith 15:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh right, still new 2 some of the bits on here --Nate1481 16:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indoor Rower

Some has questioned the NPOV of the article (too focused on concept2), might be good for people to look over it, and the rowperfect one. Also someone added what read like an add for the 'rowbike' anyone heard of this? --Nate1481 00:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems Ok to me. Concept2 pretty much hold a monopoly on the market, and organise all the indoor rowing events, so its naturally going to focus on concept2.--The Spith 19:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I think so two the row perfect could prob do with some minor bits, just mentioned it here in as its prob worth keeping an eye on, the guy who added the tag seems to go round adding them as a hobby --Nate1481 00:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rowers

I'm still pretty new to wikipedia, so ignore me if I'm taking nonsense, but a few points occur to me on articles about specific rowers:

1) Categories and sub-categories of roweers look like they could do with a sort as they appear unwieldy and confusing. Cursory examination suggests many articles are mis-categorised or at least that categorisation is not being applied consistently.

2) Presumably all articles about rowers, coxes and coaches should also form part of the Biography Wikiproject and should be tagged accordingly?

3) Would it be useful to have an infobox for wins at Henley Royal Regatta, to sit below the standard box for Olympic and World medals? Particularly for the first part of the 20th century, a Henley win was arguably a greater achievement than an Olympic medal.

James of Putney 13:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree about Henley Royal Regatta box

09er 20:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anatomy of a stroke makes 'Did You Know?'

Whilst trimming the rowing (sport) article down to size I moved some of the content to seperate sub-articles to reduce the size. One sub-article was the Anatomy of a stroke. I made a submission for DYK, and today it was placed on the main page.

Did You Know An entry from Anatomy of a stroke appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on December 25, 2006.
Wikipedia

Should stay up for the rest of the day, so you can have a gander.

P.S. Merry Christmas everyone.--The Spith 10:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination

Rowing (sport) failed again on (mainly) citations. I've fixed all but one referring to the first recorded race in the US between two 6 oared barges, anyone know anything about this or where to look? can't find anything from a basic google search. --Nate1481 17:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New article update

It might be nice to have a spot on the project page for new articles. That way everybody can see what others are up to. WikiProject College football is a good example. If no one is opposed I will set one up in a week or two. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 09er (talk • contribs) 16:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

sorry 09er 17:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea.--The Spith 19:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The new article box is up. 09er 01:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template update

I've vreated a version of the template here {{User:Nate1481/template: Rowing with assessment}} with the assessment scale included, worth using? If so I'll move to the main template page.

This article is part of WikiProject Rowing, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to rowing on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
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Basics ripped mercilessly from the Martial arts project. Assessment scale is a template & the categorises need creating --Nate1481( t/c) 16:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

No comments so being bold & replacing template --Nate1481( t/c) 12:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I crossed out assessment on the project To-do list since it is done. We still need to develop a priority system for the articles. 09er 21:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rowing at the 1912 Summer Olympics - Men's coxed fours, inriggers

Hi there! I came across this article as I was sifting through Wikipedia, looking for typos, and I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I think the name of the article is... awkward, to say the least, and should probably be replaced by a more concise one, but I'm not really sure what to name it. Since this article seems to be within the scope of your project, could you take a look? Thanks! Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 13:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion: Taino Almestica

I am guessing that perhaps this is an appropriate WikiProject for the following notification...

Taino Almestica (via WP:PROD)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment help

I went through and rated the vast majority of unassessed rowing articles. I rated a few that I did a fair amount of worked on. Could some one check the rating on the following articles?
Ellis Ward
Edwin Sweetland
Biglin Brothers
George Washington Woodruff
Edward Ten Eyck
James A. Ten Eyck
Most were already rated from another project, so it should not be that big of a deal. Thanks 09er (talk) 18:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glasgow Rowing Club

This article has been proposed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 January 23#Glasgow Rowing Club. Please give your expert opinion on this discussion. --Bduke (talk) 01:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The result was to Keep the article 09er (talk) 00:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Project page update?

I've created a new version of the project page here:

User:09er/Sandbox/Rowing

It is based off WikiProject Turnkey Project templates. Several other projects are using these templates. I think it make the project page a little easier to use and has a more professional look. Here is a list of other projects using Turnkey:

Please let me know what you think and hopefully we can come to a consensus on updating the page. 09er (talk) 19:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot the list of projects using Turnkey.

09er (talk) 23:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

No responses, pro or con, in over two weeks. I will give it another two weeks for comments. If no one will responds then I will make the change. 09er (talk) 15:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Good job. I like it.--The Spith (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I am going to update the front page today09er (talk) 14:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rowing Venues

I have changed the succession boxes on the world rowing champs venues to a new template format - feedback appreciated (Durham12 09.03.08) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durham12 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I always like templates over those boxes. If any body else wants to take a look, Lake Bled is a good example.09er (talk) 01:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] University rowing (UK)

I've added a list of appropriate rowing clubs to the University rowing (UK) article, though tracking them all down is proving hard. Also, in addition I'm trying to link any collegiate clubs from their parent university's boat club article (e.g. Jesus College Boat Club from Oxford University Boat Club) so as to tie them all together.

Will also be trying to create articles for those colleges at Oxford, Cambridge and University of London that don't yet have boat club articles. Any help in any of these things much appreciated! Grunners (talk) 13:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Westover and Bournemouth Rowing Club

An article that you have be interested in, Westover and Bournemouth Rowing Club, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westover and Bournemouth Rowing Club. Thank you.Paulbrock (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Turnkey Project" changes

On the Project page I have reverted the changes related to the "Turnkey Project", made earlier today. Those changes reformatted the page, and in doing so the section headers became unreadable because of the colour scheme chosen. The means of editing the page was supposedly changed, but it wasn't obvious where edits could be undertaken. [It is possible that something was hidden in the unreadable section headers?] If anyone wants to undertake such revisions, then perhaps they might wish to discuss them here on the talk page and obtain consensus among the contibutors to this project before undertaking such a fundamental change. David Biddulph (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It was discussed. On February 13, 2008 I posted the idea for a new project page on this page (see four spots above) and asked for comments. I again asked for comments on February 29, 2008. In 2 ½ months I only had one response and that was positive. It is sad to say but 2 positive (including myself) versus 0 negatives is about as much of consensus you get on this project. If there is a consensus that this is not constructive for this project then I will bow to the majority. If color is a problem then that can be adjusted. I will wait a few days to hear from others before I revert it back to Turnkey project. 09er (talk) 20:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
My apologies. I missed the original discussion above. I'm happy to let the majority view prevail when other folk have compared the versions. The structure of the new page does look more organised, so if you can sort out the colour scheme I'd be happier. David Biddulph (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
No need to apologies, I am glad someone noticed the change. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one working on this project. Hopefully this will spur more members to take a look. I still think we should wait a few days before we make a final decision. Hopefully with more feed back. For those that are interested click here for the prototype. Note, I changed the colors to a lighter neutral.09er (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I will share my thoughts. I think the changes do make it look more organised, and probably make it quicker to find the information wanted from the page. In terms of colour, blue would be my choice, though as David has mentioned the colours need to be much lighter, possibly white text for the headers (if that's allowed). The main problem with the two colour schemes you've chosen is that they are both quite similar to link colours, active and inactive ones, which come up blue and red, this could make them difficult to read by some contributors. Jono Watkins (talk) 10:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I have updated the colors again. I used colors from the Wikipedia main page. For those that are interested click here for the prototype. I am also going to visit other projects and see how they are set up. My only goal is to have our front page more organized and a more professional look. 09er (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
With the lighter header colours (either of the two more recent variants), this looks a lot better, and I'd be happy with the change. David Biddulph (talk) 09:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)