Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Romani people
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[edit] POV
I'm a little alarmed that one of the first acts of the founder (and currently only member) of this WikiProject, User:Desiphral, has been to nominate for deletion a rather innocuous article on a nationally known criminal, who happens to be gypsy, on the grounds that it is racist. This smacks to me of trying to suppress information for nationalistic reasons. Future members of this WikiProject should remember that Wikipedia is not censored and that a point of view can be pushed not just by adding material but by removing it as well. —Psychonaut 13:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Don't worry, it is not one of my first acts, it is just part of my daily routine on Romani issues, which happened to fall in the same day (and predating the creation of this WikiProject). However, it seems that, as in many other cases of wiki editing, I have to confront racist POVs even in creating this WikiProject. Certain persons do not like to see the Roma as normal people, seeming to stick with the "Gypsy" stereotypes/prejudices. Should I take this as warning, to keep remember for staying in the limits of the "Gypsy" image? Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 13:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, you should take this as a reminder that Wikipedia is not politically correct and is not engaged in affirmative action. We should not remove information on well-known criminals simply because they happen to be members of an ethnic minority stereotypically classed as criminals. —Psychonaut 14:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- You mean that Wikipedia should express the racist POV of some parts of the world population? I wrote at that AfD that there are enough shaking White beggars, but they do not have wiki articles. And she is not a "well-known criminal", just a mass-media creation for the amusement of the racist readers. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 14:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Her criminal conviction qualifies her as a criminal. Five years' coverage in the local and national media qualify her as well-known. There is no disputing that she is notable. If you object to the fact that she is being singled out at the expense of notorious white beggars, the solution is not to delete her article, but to write articles about these notorious white beggars. (And note that I am not disputing your claim that she is a mass-media creation for the amusement of racist readers. On the contrary, I invite you to find published criticism to this effect and add it to the article. I'm pretty sure I recall reading articles stating this point of view.) —Psychonaut 14:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, there is no necessity to make a wiki article about a beggar having no other social role than a a target for amusement and hating in the same time, be they of any ethnicity. The info itself has no encyclopedic value, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 14:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Her criminal conviction qualifies her as a criminal. Five years' coverage in the local and national media qualify her as well-known. There is no disputing that she is notable. If you object to the fact that she is being singled out at the expense of notorious white beggars, the solution is not to delete her article, but to write articles about these notorious white beggars. (And note that I am not disputing your claim that she is a mass-media creation for the amusement of racist readers. On the contrary, I invite you to find published criticism to this effect and add it to the article. I'm pretty sure I recall reading articles stating this point of view.) —Psychonaut 14:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- You mean that Wikipedia should express the racist POV of some parts of the world population? I wrote at that AfD that there are enough shaking White beggars, but they do not have wiki articles. And she is not a "well-known criminal", just a mass-media creation for the amusement of the racist readers. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 14:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, you should take this as a reminder that Wikipedia is not politically correct and is not engaged in affirmative action. We should not remove information on well-known criminals simply because they happen to be members of an ethnic minority stereotypically classed as criminals. —Psychonaut 14:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template for the Romani language
I noticed there is not any template to show that a user can speak Romani language. I find this rather disturbig, as there are templates about some bizarre constructed languages (e.g. Wenedyk), however Romani Chhib does not have its own template. Is any of the more experienced members of this group able to create such a template? --Anglos 13:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New pictures at WikiMedia Commons
I uploaded 6 new pictures at Wikimeda Commons into the ctegory of Roma People.see them [here] --Anglos 10:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Joining this project
Hello,
I am one of the sons of Ian Hancock, and of Romani descent. I would like to join this WP group and contribute my skills as a part-time editor.
My skills are more Wikipedia oriented and less Romani-info oriented; I prefer to leave that up to my father, the academic.
I can fix spellings, grammatical errors, and typography related to the Romani language as necessary.
Weasel5i2 (talk) 01:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Stick together
To all my rom people, we need to stick together on wikipedia, I have tried and tried to write artciles on our Romany History, people gorgers dont understand, that our history can not be found with web content and that most travellers don't read or write. Please all help each other, need some help keeping the Darren M Jackson article. Any one rokker me through my chib page. kushti bok to all my penna and prala, and lets stop the kori sherrios from deleting our work.Diamonddannyboy (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Roma people proposed move
Hi. People involved in this project might be interested in contributing to the discussion at Talk:Roma people#Requested move. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
