Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music/Archive 1

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Participants, sign your name on the participants section, on the main page (Gin & Milk 16:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] About...

You will have to tell us what information about hard rock do you want to have? Bands, or songs... I think that hard rock bands are very popular and you have all the informations about them... --Aeternus 19:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whait a sec

Rush isn't a hard rock band, i'ts a prog rock band. This project is about to help the hard rock bands, is that righ? --Aeternus 15:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a thought... Did permission to land come out before or after the christmas single? I thought it was the other way round...maybe someone's got their sourcing wrong.

Should probably ask that on the Rush talk page. -- Reaper X 17:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lollipop Lust Kill up for deletion

Thought it would be fair to warn this WikiProject that the article for Lollipop Lust Kill is up for deletion as a non-notable band. The nominator and at least one commenting editor haven't heard of the group. I have and voiced my opinion in the AfD, but I couldn't find much online to back up the band's notability. If you think the article should stay, I encourage any LLK / general hard rock fans to voice your opinion in the AfD discussion. Your opinion will be especially noticed if you can provide any verifiable information that the band meets WP:MUSIC notability criteria. -- H·G (^words/_works) 23:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revamp and Expansion

I'd like to try and make this Wikiproject more efficient. I consider WikiProject Alternative Music very good for a model. For a start, I am adding a talk page header, new userbox and the WikiProject its own category.
I'm sorta concerned about just focusing on hard rock though. I know there will be debates on what bands fall under the scope of hard rock. So why don't we expand this project to rock music in general? I mean, there is no Wikiproject for rock in general, only alternative and metal. It would be massive, but I'm sure we would attract many participants. What do you say?! -- Reaper X 00:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Why exactly are you changing the wiki project can someone please explain it to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metal Maiden (talk • contribs)

So it can cover a broader range of music articles (rock music in general), and bring attention to them and hopefully attract many participants who will dedicate themselves to improving them. -- Reaper X 17:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

This may stir up a hornet's nest but is there any way we could create a Standard Discography template that would give people a starting point & impose some consistancy? Megamanic 04:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a general format outlined by the guys in WikiProject MUSTARD for discographies, and they have used the Oasis discography as a model. Anyone making a discography should follow this style. -- Reaper X 22:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. The Oasis one is a good model - the information needs to be more widely disseminated though - I'm active in the "Rush" Discography page & none of us had a clue there was any particular model to follow Megamanic 01:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New York Sound

What exactly is the so called "New York Sound" and why doesn't wiki have anything on it?--Deglr6328 04:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed The Rolling Stones project

I've just created a proposed project on The Rolling Stones at User:Robertjohnsonrj/WikiProject The Rolling Stones. Please feel free to add your name to either the project page or to the list of interested wikipedians on the project's section of the Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects#The Rolling Stones. Thank you. robertjohnsonrj 22:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Distinguishing genres and styles, and ending edit wars

As part of my cusade against the "genre edit wars" that plague many band articles, I have made the following proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Genre wars and the distinguishing of genres and styles.
I would appreciate feedback on this proposal. I am going to push hard for this proposal to be put into action, and I appreciate any supporters in helping me do so. Thank you. -- Reaper X 01:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tenacious D album tracks

A bunch of album tracks from Tenacious D's first album have been nominated for deletion. I am not getting much support for keeping them up. I do think they are notable, and feel the nominator is doing this out of resentment for the D.

These are the tracks:

Tenacious D Fans 12:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] U2

This is just a suggestion, but I think the Rock Wikiproject should take over the mandate of U2 articles from the Alternative music Wikiproject. We originally brought the group under our scope because A). Some people label them alt-rock on occasion (they're more accurately a post-punk band that became arena stars), but more importantly, B). There was no overall rock Wikiproject at the time and the Alt-rock one was the closest thing, and C). Their importance is on a level releating to rock music as a whole. Many of the articles are pretty far along (two of them are GA and one might become a Featured Article soon) and lots of sources are available on this band. WesleyDodds 08:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music related page move for KISS

See Talk:KISS (band). Please add your thoughts, whatever they maybe. 205.157.110.11 03:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article reviews

I've nominated Van Halen, Black Flag (band) and Queen (band) for delisting of their GA status. Both articles are rife with problems that are listed on the WP:GA/R page. Teemu08 20:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marilyn Manson

Marilyn Manson (band) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Jeffpw 21:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ZZ Top's page has been defiled.

I wanted some information on ZZ Top, but the page just has some random swear words with absolutely no information on the band. 24.93.1.61 16:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)Rodger

This was vandalism which has since been corrected. -- Reaper X 05:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] blink-182 Pop Punk vs Punk Rock vote

I have started a vote on the blink-182 article regarding the long term edit war over the bands genre of Pop Punk or Punk Rock. votes can be cast here. cheers --Dan027 07:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retro Metal

I suppose a lot of members of the project are aware of the recent music news in regards to heavy metal. The recent rise in a new style, trademarked by psychedelic tendencies and a likeness to the doom metal, psych folk and hard rock genres, known as "retro metal", "heritage metal" "retro" or the more recent-to-wikipedia; "hipster metal".

Most of the bands in this new style (such as [[Wolfmother, The Sword, Witchcraft (band), High on Fire, Dungen, Pelican, The Answer, Kemado Records bands, etc.) have seen a significant boom in popularity over the last two years. In general, the retro style has gained more than cult following (which in the past has pacified neo-psych, doom, etc.), but a mainstream following as well. Far different from both dominating forms of rock since the nineties, alternative pop/rock and hardcore/metalcore, retro metal seems to be the rising successor to dominant rock music in the coming decade. To this theory, many notable media outlets in the worldwide music community have been recognizing this as the "2000's Retro Metal movement" (as noted here, for example; [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc.).

I have received criticism for exhibiting the reality that retro metal exists, mostly from within the Project Metal community, whom I would expect to be the most supportive in the expansion of such information. In fact, retro is more of a broader movement to begin with, as noted by the All Music Guide and Rolling Stone late last year.

Despite some unhappy Wikipedians unable to accept the fact that retro metal is the real deal, it is in fact a power player in today's modern music. I would like to ask for everybody's thoughts on this, and moreover, I would like to request support in helping resurrect the recognition of retro metal within Wikipedia. Editor19841 (talk) 21:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category attached to userboxes

I created a category that goes along with the userbox for identifying members to collaborate with on articles. I hope this helps in future endeavors. Category:WikiProject Rock music members Darth griz⁹⁸ 21:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] genre examples

As a user who has an interest (but very little knowledge or training) in music, I'd like to see more examples that help illustrate the distinctives of various rock genres. A technical description is fine for those that know music, but for those of us that don't, examples are the best way to make it clear. ⇔ ChristTrekker 21:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dream Theater

How is this article considered only "Start" class for the Biography and Rock Music projects? Surely a former Featured Article (with very few changes since its promotion to FA, despite the fact that it was demoted) is good enough for at least B Class? plattopus^talk 15:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You bet your ass it's more than a Start. Thanks for bringing it up. -- Reaper X 17:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops, don't know why I rated that Start class. Definitely B class. - miketm - 06:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A note

Just to let all project members know, if you have any questions, please ask either user Reaper X or myself. Thanks. DavidJJJ 11:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)