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[edit] List of Japanese rock bands

(moved from main page)

I had proposed this article for deletion because I felt Category:Japanese rock music groups could serve the same function. However I withdrew my proposal because I saw many red links where a new user could be motivated to create an article just by seeing the name. Comments? -- Reaper X 21:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't sure whether to respond here or on that article's talk page, so just move this comment if I'm not meant to post this here. I don't know much about Japanese rock bands, but I think I'd be safe in assuming if any of those red-linked articles were created, they wouldn't stand a chance at an AfD. Plus, if one of those bands is notable enough to have an article created about them, it would be created eventually anyway. Of course I may be wrong about that, but I'm of your initial opinion that Category:Japanese rock music groups would serve the same purpose. ĤĶ51→Łalk 22:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do I propose an article's inclusion into the project?

Specifically, Severe Tire Damage (band), which still needs some work. -- \sim Lenoxus " * " 18:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no real proposal process. As with Severe Tire Damage (band), they have a strange mix of style from what I saw and heard on their site. I would suggest they be categorized under the Alternative music Wikiproject. I wouldn't know if they fall under their criteria, so I will ask. -- Reaper X 17:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! \sim Lenoxus " * " 17:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Dylan - Proposal

I have made a proposal on the page Talk:Bob Dylan to remove Bob Dylan from Category:Converts to Christianity. Please go there to discuss. --Metzenberg 20:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unfun Records

This article, Unfun Records, is up for AFD. Do we feel like making it a WP:Rock article as it is a article about A underground Rock label? Or should we view it as non notable?--St.daniel talk 17:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NEW MEMBER

I'm interested in joining...some help? --Missy C and The Moozik Choosers 06:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time to replace Infobox Guitarist?

There have been a growing number of Wikipedians questioning the need for a separate infobox for guitarists. The {{Guitarist infobox}} was created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists, and it easily survived a deletion nomination back in September of last year, but that was before {{Infobox musical artist}} (which is supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians) became a widely accepted standard. Both infoboxes are currently endorsed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography, but recent discussions between some members of the Guitarist and Musician Wikiprojects have concluded that it may be time to deprecate the guitarist infobox, and start replacing it. (Unfortunately, this is not a task for bots, and will have to be done manually.)

Before making any final decision on the matter, we would like to get feedback from the broader community, so I am posting this notice to several Wikiprojects which may be affected. Comments should be posted to Template talk:Guitarist infobox. If you have strong feelings about this infobox, one way or the other, please feel free to let us know. Thanks, Xtifr tälk 12:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flogging Molly & Albums

Does anyone object to adding Flogging Molly to our list. Oh yeah and what's our stance on adding albums?--St.daniel Talk 11:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for a peer review of Tool (band)

Hi folks!

Some weeks ago, Tool (band) quite easily jumped the GA-border, after it was peer reviewed in April and quite a lot of work had been poured into the article. It becomes harder and harder to say what is still needed to do for the editors who have worked a lot on the article. I for one have mostly been working on adding details recently, which is why I'd like to ask for a peer review by editors who are familiar with either Tool/rock music in the 90s/etc... Of course, any comments/criticism on the formal aspects of the article are welcome as well, but criticism regarding prose/content would probable be more helpful at this point. Of course, I'd like to get the article to FA, so don't be shy about using high standards and criticizing wherever it seems appropriate.

If you decide to begin a peer review, please leave your comments on Talk:Tool (band). I'd be gladly returning the favor, if need be.

Best wishes and many thanks. Johnnyw talk 14:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

After seeing a request for peer review for Pearl Jam without any detailed comment for almost a week now, some thoughts came to my mind: that article should be part of this project, right? And if so, we should at least help the fellow editor (as much as time permits, and if it's only a quick glance and a short comment). Instead of finger-pointing, I tried my best to review it. But, when joining this project, I hoped it would give a boost to the articles it's intended to look after, but progress seems kinda slow currently. Isn't anyone working on any band articles right now, that understands that you can only get that far without the help of others? Maybe I am just missing something, forgive me this rant, if I am. If not, I hope some people who read this start to dedicate a couple of minutes every other visit to WP to this project. Rock on, Johnnyw talk 12:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Hi, I was wondering if I could get some comments here because one user seems to think that the page should be devoted to listing why certain bands are not inducted. So, he added a section called "Rush Controversy", I removed the section, even though it was sourced, because I feel that the criticism section should be for criticism of the hall in general and not why ____ isn't in yet. If anyone agrees, or feels differently, please feel free to comment on the talk page. -- Scorpion0422 15:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to improve the project

Hi folks, I really appreciate that there is a rock music project, but I think it lacks inertia and some other things, for example, when compared with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music (WPAm).

  • I'd like to rework our project page a bit, after the WPAm design, since it really gives users a good overview, seems better organized and so forth.
  • Why not include the "importance" criteria to the WPRock template? Seems useful to have categories to prioritize our efforts, right?
    • If we do this, we'd probably be smart to add the parameter before assessing new articles..
  • I'd also like to do the following, so that the project can actually start working as a collaborate effort:
    • a new member invitation drive
    • then, a find and add more articles in scope of the WikiProject drive ;)
    • then, an assessment drive
  • In order to do this, why not establish a couple of teams, who concentrate on one of these efforts? (expand ProjectPage & ProjectTemplate, new member invitations)

Any other suggestions? Any opinion on this? Hope to hear from you! Johnnyw talk 12:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Another suggestion would be to collaborate with other projects (such as Alternative music) on some articles, since there is obviously some common ground. This would probably have to wait until this project is at full speed, though. --Johnnyw talk 13:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WPRock template

I took the liberty of adding an "importance" parameter to the template, similar to the ones we see in other project. To assess the articles, we'd probably need a guideline with examples. I'd copied the one from Wikiproject Alternative to the Assessment page. I'll start a discussion below about the examples we use as points of references for other articles. Johnnyw talk 14:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Importance scale

Hi folks, assuming that the inclusion of the importance-scale is accepted, I'd like to start a discussion which examples we use as points of reference. The scale values are:
Top, High, Mid, Low Below I'll propose a list (please don't stone me, this is what came to my mind after giving it a minute's though ;) please feel free to edit/comment etc. Greetings! Johnnyw talk 14:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Top importance

"Key" articles, considered indispensable.

High

High-priority topics and needed subtopics of "key" articles, often with a broad scope; needed to complement any general understanding of the field.

Mid

Mid-priority articles on more specialised (sub-)topics; possibly more detailed coverage of topics summarised in "key" articles, and as such their omission would not significantly impair general understanding.

Low

While still notable, these are highly-specialised or even obscure, not essential for understanding the wider picture ("nice to have" articles).

Some things to ponder about:

  • What to do with music instrument articles? (in scope of the project?)
  • Rock music encompasses heavy metal, alternative, etc. for which there already are successful WikiProjects, collaboration would be useful and necessary

[edit] Guns N' Roses importance level

Guns N' Roses currently does not have the level of importance marked. I'm not too sure where it fits on the scale, so some guidance from more experienced users in the area would be much appreciated, and all discussion welcome at Talk:Guns N' Roses. Kind regards, Sebi [talk] 23:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

A warm welcome Sebi! I'd personally set it to mid-importance (although high could be justified as well imho), as you can see in my proposal above. I'd also welcome you warmly to comment on that if you wish, since we need to establish a consensus there... feedback has been a little slow, sadly... Johnnyw talk 23:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tool at FAC

Hi folks.. I will be submitting Tool to FAC tonight or tomorrow. It would be awesome if some of you could help me out getting this article to FA status. Since I will be moving from Barcelona back to Berlin on Wednesday, I will most probably be very grateful for any spare minute you could spend on addressing any of the objections that the article will encounter. Thanks in advance, and best wishes, Johnnyw talk 19:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I nominated the article for Featured Article status. Please feel free to comment/review/or help out at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tool (band) . Johnnyw talk 21:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Jam

FYI, I've submitted Pearl Jam as a FAC. Feel free to comment, support or object. CloudNine 12:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guns N' Roses

The new Guns N' Roses WikiProject is up and running for anyone interested in becoming a participant. The project also uses this project's assessment and importance scales. –sebi 01:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expert review: Jupiter Sunrise

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Jupiter Sunrise is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ray Davies

If someone is looking for a project (I'm not right now, or at least not this one) you might take on the Ray Davies article. At the moment, it is a lightweight trivia-filled article on someone who ought to be viewed reasonably seriously as a creative figure. I particularly recommend the Robert Polito paper I added to the article's references; I cited the Polito paper repeatedly in our article on Davies' "unauthorized autobiography" X-Ray; it covers a lot of other ground about Davies as a writer and (to a lesser extent) as a musician. - Jmabel | Talk 06:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAR

AC/DC has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Videmus Omnia Talk 03:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Wikiality

Just so we know the importance and impact of what we're doing here, let's do our best to be factual and back up what we type with appropriate citations. Unfortunately, this was not done for the Instrument destruction page, which included the erroneous information that the Yardbirds and Animals were smashing guitars before The Who. Go to the Charles Mingus talk page to see part of where this started. Wikipedia is becoming a source for other publications. The misinformation on Wikipedia's Instrument destruction article resulted in the following caption at Parade.com:

"Pete Townshend of The Who destroyed both guitar and amp during a March 1967 concert in Leicester, England. Although the band was one of the first to make instrument destruction a regular part of their show, they weren’t the first to do it. The Animals and The Yardbirds also smashed guitars at concerts."[1]

The source for that caption is undoubtedly Wikipedia and it's wrong. It's been well-documented in numerous publications that Pete Townshend first smashed a guitar in September of 1964 at the Railway Hotel in Harrow and Wealdstone. It's listed as one of Rolling Stone magazine's "50 Moments that Changed the History of Rock and Roll." Jeff Beck, the only Yardbird to ever smash a guitar, wasn't even a member of the Yardbirds at that time. Indeed, the only reason he smashed a guitar in the first place was for the film Blowup when he was directed to emulate The Who's stage act. The Animals aren't known for guitar smashing at all. A false statement on the Charles Mingus page (subsequently picked up by the UK's timesonline) gravitated to the Instrument destruction page and ended up being parroted in a Parade.com article on guitar smashing. This is what's known as wikiality. Let's do our best to document rock history in these pages. Not change it. Thanks for reading. Clashwho 19:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Bah! Next, I suppose you're going to tell me that the elephant population hasn't tripled in the last six months! :) Seriously, good job in tracking down the facts here, but I suspect you're preaching to the choir. It's the people who haven't gotten far enough into Wikipedia to have found Wikiprojects who really need to be reminded of this, but that, of course, is much harder to do. Still, can't hurt to post here, since you're absolutely correct. And a good reminder for others to keep their eyes open for similar errors. Cheers, Xtifr tälk 01:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Keep fighting the good fight and cheers to you, too! Clashwho 20:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Nice find Clashwho! It really does show the impact Wikipedia has, and the potential power we possess (for good and for bad). It also reminds us of responsibility to always check the facts and back them up. Something it seems Parade also needs to be reminded of. Which I gladly did just that in a nice little letter I wrote them. Most people reading that would have believed it (like a fellow Wikipedian looking for sources to cite). Anyway, I see you joined the new Wikiproject for The Who also. I'm very glad you're part of it. - Rocket000 04:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject The Who

Hey, I just founded this Wikiproject a few days ago but I have no idea how to recruit for it, do templates, etc. If anyone from this project, which I cited as the parent project, wants to help out we could really use it! -MichiganCharms 02:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ==Joining==

Hey, I'm interested in joining this project. Can someone tell me how? Tim Y (talk) 23:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Basically, you just add your name to the members list at the project page, and that's it. Welcome! ;) Then, take a look at the todo-list and choose whatever seems most necessary to you. We haven't founded any working groups yet, so more article-specific tasks could be checking the Featured Article candidacies we have running currently and address the constructive criticism we get there. For example, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/King Crimson there is an open comment.. Johnnyw talk 10:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lightning Bolt discography at FLC

An article under the scope of this project, Lightning Bolt discography, is currently a Featured List candidate. Please take the time to review the article and comment on the article's nom page. Thanks! Drewcifer 06:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winger

I'm unconvinced that most people searching for "Winger" mean the band, and the "what links here" for that page seems to agree with me. The hatnotes are good, but it seems to contravene guideline. Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Winger. --Dweller 10:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gwen Stefani

I think she should also be covered under the wiki project because:-

  • She was the lead singer of No Doubt, which is a part of this wikiproject.

Her article is FA. The rest is on the decision of the active members of the project. Indianescence 11:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevertheless, I wouldn't categorize her as a rock artist. This would be kind a far stretch imho and watering down this projects' goals. Johnnyw talk 15:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, she was in a rock band but then left the band to pursue her solo career which wasn't rock... unless we can find some reliable source stating that Stefani's style is purely rock, we shouldn't cover her under the scope. If she remained in the band, yeah, I suppose it would be okay. Nevertheless, covering her under the scope for the sake of another FA under the project's belt is inappropriate. Spebi 20:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Hang on, according to the article for "What You Waiting For?", that track is dance-pop, and we shouldn't have that song under this project but yet the article say nothing about the song's genre being rock. Spebi 20:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Let me make this clear, SHE DID'NT LEAVE THE BAND. She is still a part of the band. The band is still there and are wroking on their next album. I can provide many reliable sources for that. Some of them are in the No Doubt article as well. It is true that she went solo for two albums, but she is very much in the band. I hope that makes the matter clear. Indianescence 05:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I thought she just left the band to do her own stuff. I was wrong. If they do release another album and Stefani appears on it then I'm sure she could be covered by the scope of this project, along with the other projects she is currently under (e.g. pop music, etc). Spebi 06:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
So this means all the 5 albums which were relased before by No Doubt WITH Stefani on it were waste? They have no meaning? We have to wait for another album to be released for her inclusion in the wikiproject? This is weird! Indianescence 15:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
And yes, not only Stefani, all the other members of the band are not covered under the project! Indianescence 16:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] If anyone wants to bump an article up to good article status...

The Ramones article just needs to have it's references properly formatted, and it should pass the GA review.[2]

Hoponpop69 23:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Australian rock task force?

There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Australian rock music for a group to deal specifically with Australian rock music which has gotten five members, which is generally thought enough for a task force. Would this project be willing to take on such a subproject? John Carter (talk) 18:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crush 40 Assessment

Greetings, Crush 40 is now in WikiRock Project's list of rock bands which are in the project. The article is unassessed according to WikiRock, and I would appreciate it's assessment. Thanks, User:Radman622 22:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capitol Offense (band) DYK on the mainpage now; The Whigs has been reworked.

An article I created (still unassessed, BTW) for Capitol Offense (band) is now featured in the DYK on the mainpage. I didn't know where else to let the community know about this. Also, I've been reworking the article on The Whigs, and would like to have some other, fresher eyes on the article, if possible. Regards, -- Bellwether BC 00:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

A general question, triggered by a particular action. An IP, Special:Contributions/82.11.63.20, has added a reference to a 1975 book to some 20 articles in a row, without changing the article otherwise. When looking at these articles, I noticed that at least some of them have reference sections referring to pretty general books (not about the artist or song specifically, but general rock encyclopedias). See e.g. John Cale, which has one book about John Cale, but also one about Van Morrison and now this general rock book. Also Can (band), which has three general books in the references section. What is the standard practice (if any) wrt references (not footnotes, but general references) in rock articles: do you include any which have some info on the artist involved (i.e. a possible list of dozens of books per article), or do you only include references which are directly an at great length about the artist? I didn't want to blindly revert the IP's additions, but they seem to me to be well intended but misguided. Fram (talk) 08:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concert Ten

Hello. A rock music event stub titled Concert Ten needs your assistance. I cannot find any RS for its importance, and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what to do with the article. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 04:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Concert Ten. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 05:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bubbling Under Hot 100 Chart

There seems to be some controversy (at least where I edit) over this chart listing. The Sum 41 discography has listed under the Billboard Hot 100 chart some positions that are above #100; An example would be #117 or something to that effect. Although Bubbling Under Hot 100 does show songs that would be #117 or whatever position on the Hot 100 chart, it is a completely different chart. It shows songs that haven't quite made it onto the Hot 100. User:Icelandic Hurricane has reverted my edit, which was removing these positions from under the Hot 100 chart because they are not on the chart. The only reason given is "omg! it's the equivalent. look at everyone else's discography page" Since these two charts are not the same, it would not make sense to put chart positions of songs on Bubbling Under Hot 100 in the regular Hot 100 spot. It's common sense that there should not be a #117 under a chart that's called "Hot 100. That's my opinion anyway, and another editor agreed with me a while back when some ips were adding these positions. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Timmeh! 23:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiality

We have a huge problem. The problem is this worldwide sales disease infecting the articles of rock artists. Even sources that meet WP:RS criteria are dated AFTER they were first posted on Wikipedia. Led Zeppelin and AC/DC are just two examples. Those bands' respective Wiki articles claimed 300 million and 150 million albums sold long before more "reputable" sources published those figures as "fact". Now those "reputable sources" are used as citations on Wikipedia to back up figures that were started on Wikipedia in the first place. It's disgusting. Lazy journalists have been using Wikipedia as a source and now we have to swallow these figures because they're subsequently published in "reputable" sources? This is wikiality and it makes me sick. Please see the Talk Pages of Led Zeppelin and AC/DC to see what I'm dealing with. And it's far from just them. This disease has infected the articles for Pink Floyd, The Who, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Queen, and on and on. Please help me combat it. There is no organization that tracks worldwide sales. All these figures are pure bunk. They do not belong in an encyclopedia. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 04:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request: King Harvest

hi -just found the King Harvest entry, and the article's a real mess. unfortunately, i don't have the background to improve it. (were they formed in Paris or NYC for example?) so, just wanted to bring it to the attention of your group. maybe you'll see fit to tag it and include it in your project. thanks. and thanks for everything you all do here. J. Van Meter (talk) 14:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I need your helpI

I'm currently workin' on an article about a pretty popular Canadaian rock band called Soul Bomb. I need your help go to my sandbox and please take a look and leave comments on my talk page or make CONSTRUCTIVE edits only. I'd really like to get this done but I need all ya'lls help. Thanks, --Crash Underride 06:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How to join?

How do I join WikiProject Rock Music? Sphefx (talk) 04:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Just add your name to the list. Zazaban (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tenacious D

The Tenacious D article is currently undergoing a peer review. I need some outside help, as I am the only one editing this at the moment. I think the article can make FA class. Please help by adding to the suggestions on this here. Thanks. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 17:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_27#Category:Bands_with_female_lead_singers. Badagnani (talk) 19:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)