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[edit] Ardipithecus Page Needs References

Call for help. No references on a very important page. Can someone please see to this? --1000Faces (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I stumbled on this page and made a major restructure, supplying a few basic references as unformatted URLs. Better now, but still needs much work. Adopted the convention of designating Ardipithecus as Ar. rather than A. because as a lay person, I found A. darn confusing with respect to those Australothingies. All the articles I was able to locate now use the Ar. convention (many of them did already). - MaxEnt (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Hrm... I may revert the A. -> Ar. changes you made. that convention is used when A. itself would be ambiguous. On a page that only has Ardipithecus info, I would think the context would be enough. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I would agree, Uther. --Aranae (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lophocebus ugandae

This specie, announced by C.P. Groves, has never been described officially! It's not an accepted taxon and its validity is discussed see: http://primatology.net/2007/02/20/a-new-species-of-gray-cheeked-mangabey-anounced/ --Esculapio (talk) 16:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

To clarify, the taxon has been formally described. Whether it is a junior synonym or a distinct species is the topic of discussion. --Aranae (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Could you kindly indicate references of formal description? --Esculapio (talk) 17:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
That's a blog. I'm not impressed. The taxon is valid, as it was described in 1912 by Matchie. Groves doesn't need to re-describe it. He only needs to elevate its status, which he has done. I've updated the article to point to the published paper in Primate Conservation. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Not a member of the Primate Wikiproject, but I noticed this article today. The images on the Grey-cheeked Mangabey article page were taken in Kibale National Park, Uganda, which would mean they are of the new species, if that taxa is accepted. I'll leave it up to you guys to decide where those images should go. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm fixing this up now. In reading Groves' write up, he didn't just elevate the ugandae population, but elevated three others as well. I'm working the changes needed.... - UtherSRG (talk) 04:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assessments

Is this project going to get an assessment system working, or do we have to use the mammals template for that? Richard001 (talk) 10:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to sort out easy-to-use pages for a few aspects of this WikiProject, at the moment I'm stealing a lot of stuff from the bird people who seemed to have things nice and organised. I'll carry on working on it tomorrow, I'm far from finished, because my internet is being slow tonight. Has anyone got any other ideas how to get things moving round here? I'm kinda feeling we need some focus on getting articles to featured status as there is a lot of stubs at the moment. I would recommend getting Chimpanzee featured as the bulk is already there. Jack (talk) 02:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay I think I've sorted most things out to work normally, now we just need people to start reviewing our current articles within the Primate WikiProject. You can see pages that need to be created on the Article requests page. Any feedback? Cheers, Jack (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

So, [do you want me to/are you going to] add assessment capability to the primates project template? It seems best for projects to have assessment capabilities in their own template so as to avoid adding additional ones. Richard001 (talk) 05:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I've added it already, but as there is not a great deal of activity within this WikiProject I was thinking maybe the assessment side should be merge with WikiProject Mammals? There's not much assessment activity there either to be fair though. I reckon once we've got all the species articles to at least stub class then we should work to get some articles to good article/featured article status, some candidates for this are the Mountain Gorilla, Common Chimpanzee or the Aye-Aye. Jack (talk) 12:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, so you have. Allow me to add an audio requests function to the template as well. Richard001 (talk) 06:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you've done that too. Nice work. Richard001 (talk) 06:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry! I'm sure we'll never run out of things to be done here though ;) Jack (talk) 11:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the audio, we now have Category:Wikipedia requested audio of animals. As that grows we can look at making subcats for more specific projects. But if you want to have an audio request for each primate without any audio (which would be most, and I presume they all have some sort of vocalization!) you could get a bot to do it and create a primates subcat straight away for it. Richard001 (talk) 22:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Importance

I'm starting to look at assessing articles for importance, or at least how to determine which articles are of which importance.

  1. Top: Any of the very general articles (primate, ape, monkey, lemur, chimpanzee, gorilla), and the most recognizable species (Ring-tailed Lemur, Golden Lion Tamarin, White-headed Capuchin).
  2. High: Any species commonly found in zoos that isn't top-importance, and any family article containing a top-importance species (Hominidae, Lemuridae, Cebidae).
  3. Mid: Any species mentioned in the news (GoldenPalace.com Monkey), any family containing a high-importance species
  4. Low: All others.

Thoughts? - UtherSRG (talk) 06:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That looks great, I didn't want to have to write up any criteria myself! I think a few high importance articles (Chimpanzee, Ape, Orangutan) will need to be moved up. Jack (talk) 17:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
However you do it, try to ensure there are always more articles as you go down in importance (more high than top; more low than mid...) Richard001 (talk) 22:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Certainly! - UtherSRG (talk) 00:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Looks good to me, although I suspect there may be more species common to zoos than get much mention in the news. But I could be wrong on that.Rlendog (talk) 01:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
A couple more thoughts - several species have are subject to considerable research, and so may be often encountered in literature, but are not necessarily recognizable or common in zoos. I would think those ought to be considered high. An example that comes immediately to mind is the mantled howler. Also, in some cases the family article may be more important that the specific species article. For example, squirrel monkeys are very common in zoos, but how many people would know which specific species is on display? In most cases the zoo wouldn't identify it. In a case like that I think the family should have higher importance than the species.Rlendog (talk) 01:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
All true. Consider my listing then a recommended place to start, with everything subject to fudging. :) (And "squirrel monkey" would be a genus-level article, not family. ;) ) - UtherSRG (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
How about giving critically endangered species a higher ranking as well? This list shows the critically endangered primates. I think they should be high importance, maybe even top importance? Jack (talk) 10:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
You're right.... conservation status should factor in as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I hope you don't want to also factor in abundance, as that would sort of cancel out the conservation status thing (assuming the more common species were given higher importance, of course). Richard001 (talk) 11:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Still missing 14 species articles

14 monkeys, no(!) prosimians to go...

# Bale Mountains Vervet, Chlorocebus djamdjamensis
# Tantalus Monkey, Chlorocebus tantalus
# Roloway Monkey, Cercopithecus roloway
# Silver Monkey, Cercopithecus doggetti
# Golden Monkey, Cercopithecus kandti
# White-mantled Tamarin, Saguinus melanoleucus
# Red-capped Tamarin, Saguinus pileatus
# Sykes's Monkey, Cercopithecus albogularis
# Lowe's Mona Monkey, Cercopithecus lowei
# Dent's Mona Monkey, Cercopithecus denti
# Siberut Macaque, Macaca siberu

  1. Opdenbosch's Mangabey, Lophocebus opdenboschi
  2. Johnston's Mangabey, Lophocebus johnstoni
  3. Osman Hill's Mangabey, Lophocebus osmani
  4. Agile Mangabey, Cercocebus agilis
  5. Sanje Mangabey, Cercocebus sanjei
    # Preuss's Red Colobus, Piliocolobus preussi
  6. Thollon's Red Colobus, Piliocolobus tholloni
    # Central African Red Colobus, Piliocolobus foai
  7. Ugandan Red Colobus, Piliocolobus tephrosceles
  8. Nepal Gray Langur, Semnopithecus schistaceus
  9. Kashmir Gray Langur, Semnopithecus ajax
  10. Tarai Gray Langur, Semnopithecus hector
  11. Southern Plains Gray Langur, Semnopithecus dussumieri
  12. Tufted Gray Langur, Semnopithecus priam
    # Indochinese Lutung, Trachypithecus germaini
    # Shortridge's Langur, Trachypithecus shortridgei
    # Indochinese Black Langur, Trachypithecus ebenus
  13. Sarawak Surili, Presbytis chrysomelas
  14. Natuna Island Surili, Presbytis natunae
    # Sibree's Dwarf Lemur, Cheirogaleus sibreei
    # Microcebus bongolavensis
    # Microcebus danfossi
    # Microcebus lokobensis
    # Sanford's Brown Lemur, Eulemur sanfordi
    # Red-fronted Brown Lemur, Eulemur rufus
    # Collared Brown Lemur, Eulemur collaris
    # White-collared Brown Lemur, Eulemur albocollaris
    # Western Lesser Bamboo Lemur, Hapalemur occidentalis
    # Southern Lesser Bamboo Lemur, Hapalemur meridionalis
    # Aeecl's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur aeeclis
    # Ahmanson's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur ahmansoni
    # Ankarana Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur ankaranensis
    # Betsileo Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur betsileo
    # Fleurete's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur fleuretae
    # Grewcock's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur grewcocki
    # Hubbard's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur hubbardi
    # James' Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur jamesi
    # Manasamody Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur manasamody
    # Ring Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur milanoii
    # Otto's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur otto
    # Petter's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur petteri
    # Randrianasoli's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur randrianasoli
    # Sahamalaza's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur sahamalazensis
    # Scott's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur scottorum
    # Seal's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur seali
    # Hawk's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur tymerlachsoni
    # Wright's Sportive Lemur, Lepilemur wrighti
    # Moore's Woolly Lemur, Avahi mooreorum
    # Sambirano Woolly Lemur, Avahi unicolor
    # Silky Sifaka, Propithecus candidus
    # Perrier's Sifaka, Propithecus perrieri
    # Decken's Sifaka, Propithecus deckenii
    # Crowned Sifaka, Propithecus coronatus
    # Silvery Greater Galago, Otolemur monteiri
    # Cross River Bushbaby, Galago cameronensis
    # Gabon Bushbaby, Galago gabonensis
    # Malawi Bushbaby, Galago nyasae

Kaldari (talk) 20:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

If we can get all of these to stub level like Silver Monkey that'd be great. For reference a more comprehensive list of primate articles requested is at the article requests page. Jack (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work folks! - UtherSRG (talk) 02:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work yourself! I'd love to be helping out but exams are taking all my time at the moment. Cheers, Jack (talk) 08:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Prosimians are now complete (at least until a new species is identified)!!!Rlendog (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Could somebody put my name on the list?

I don't know how to and I would like to be part of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yojimbo501 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Yojimbo501, great to hear you want to help out. It was me who made it so difficult to add your name to this project before, so sorry about that. I've made it easier now, just click the link under the Participants heading on the main page and add your name. Or even easier just click here and add your name. Cheers, Jack (talk) 13:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evolution of color vision in primates

An expert is needed for a look over this article: Evolution of color vision in primates. No time to do it myself, although it is an interesting subject which was covered nicely in The Ancestor's Tale. Cheers, Jack (talk) 12:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Primate is the new collaboration of the month

Just a heads up to say that Primate is the new mammal collaboration of the month over at WikiProject Mammals. Hopefully we should be able to get this very important article up to FA status. I've got a pretty good book on primate social systems and primate evolution which should be helpful, once my exams are over I'll be a bit more help. Cheers, Jack (talk) 19:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uzungwa Red Colobus

Shouldn't this species be called Udzungwa Red Colobus? I know that MSW3 writes Uzungwa, but it is named after the Udzungwa Mountains. Or is there a reason for omitting the "d"? Regards --80.108.59.151 (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Bradypus)