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Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. Also, I note that yours is a comparatively new project. You may be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide, which has a lot of information regarding project organization from several of the most successful WikiProjects. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Portuguese writer stubs

FYI, I have created and populated the stub template Template:Portugal-writer-stub and the associated category Category:Portuguese writer stubs, with the approval of Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. —Swpb ^{talk contribs} 19:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding {{WikiProject Portugal}} to articles

Hi, I'm a member of this project but I haven't contributed with much since. Therefore, I wanted to know if it was ok if I added this template to every Portugal-related article I find (stubs included). I saw that it's one of the To-do items, so... I'm gonna do it as if I had a bot, except manually, starting from the categories. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 02:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Cinema stubs

The main Cinema of Portugal article has lots of list but no narrative. There are stubs at Comédia à portuguesa and Cinema Novo. I suggest that the stubs be merged into the main article. If that gets too long, the lists can be spun into other articles. -- Beardo 19:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Bullfighting

Hello. This project claims the article Bullfighting as falling under its domain, so I thought I would bring it to your attention that I have started a discussion about the article's status as a Featured Article. I would appreciate some help with it if anyone has some time. Please discuss it Talk:Bullfighting#Featured?. Thank you. --Falcorian ^(talk) 16:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese language FAR

Portuguese language has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 00:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

FAR Bullfighting

Bullfighting has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Falcorian ^(talk) 01:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Flag of Portugal/archive1

Hi, everyone! I've recently expanded the article Flag of Portugal and put it for peer review. If you would like to address comments and suggestions, please follow the link on the title. Thanks! Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 18:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Censorship_in_Portugal

I have translated the article from Portuguese, proofreaders are welcome, comment on the article talk page, please Galf 09:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

At this point, if members have any sources they can recommend on the topic, or any aspect of the topic, particularly English-language sources, that would be greatly appreciated. Please mention them on the article's talk page. Thank you! --Fsotrain⁰⁹ 17:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese Names - Manual of Style

I believe it is part of the manual of style, but I would like to stress that unless a place, or thing has a commonly known name in English we should keep the Portuguese name as title of the article and then provide a translation, literal if possible, but sensible and an explanation in English, short and direct. as an example: "lápis azul" (blue pencil, which came to be a synonym of censorship) if someone googles for "lapis azul" articles about censorship in Portugal immediately appear, if you try "blue pencil" you get crayons.... Galf 10:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. We need someone to write the PT manual of style, so that Portuguese names, like the example you provide are preserved from needless/harmless translations.--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (please join WP:Portugal or WP:SPOKEN) 13:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I came across "Anti-Dantas Manifest" which is at least butchering the title of the work. I here by propose that NO translation will be done into english of Names, Titles, Places, Offices where no historical translation exists. Names should be presented as: "Portuguese Name (meaningful translation of Portuguese name - ultra short explanation of name)" example: lapis azul (blue pencil - a symbol of censorship).

Same applies for text quoted in line. Important expressions should be preserved as well, such as "a bem da nação(for the good of the nation)". Also, I believe that "proper" native speakers of English, especially if their have NO knowledge of Portuguese subjects should be invited as proofreaders as they can more easily spot Grammar issues but also concepts that are missing or unclear.

See also: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Foreign_terms Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) Galf 09:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I would like to suggest the creation of a Manual of Style for portugal/portuguese related subjects. This should include a simple but consistent set of rules concerning translations, place names, family names and such. your input here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Portuguese-related articles) is welcome Galf 14:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Parish

Another thing I came across "Parish" means "Paróquia", "freguesia" should be translated as "Civil Parish" as it is a civil, not a religious entity. As I explained above, over-translation leads to confusion, someone who sees a country divided in "parishes" would infer that clerics have civil power, which we know isn't the case. For instance, in Poland they use Voivodship instead of "Distrito" and we know that District is actually closer to the concept of "Civil Parish" than that of Voivodship don't we? See Central_business_district if you dont believe meGalf 09:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Os Lusíadas could use some work

The Portuguese national epic Os Lusíadas is considered to be "one of the most important literary works in the world". The en Wikipedia article could use some work. Much of the current article was translated from Portuguese Wikipedia and could use some rewriting and cites. -- (I'm also crossposting this note to other projects. If you know somewhere that this should be crossposted, please do so, but please leave this original here. Thanks.) -- Writtenonsand 12:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up to us.--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (please join WP:Portugal or WP:SPOKEN) 19:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Stub Tag

Anyone in favour or replacing the portuguese flag with the shield on the stub tag? I think it's much nicer looking.Galf 08:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Not really.--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (please join WP:Portugal or WP:SPOKEN) 13:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Portugal

After a period of peer-review, I've nominated this article for FAC. You can comment and state your opinion's here. Thanks! Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 16:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

This article has just been promoted to featured status! It is now one of the few national flag FAs! It is also my first FA on Wikipedia! :D Thank you for your support! Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 00:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It is awesome to hear this! Keep up the good work, Parutakupiu. We need more and more FA Portugal articles!--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (please join WP:Portugal or WP:SPOKEN) 10:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Saoshyant! Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 16:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This article will be Wikipedia's "Today Featured Article" on 2007-03-29! Don't miss it! Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 03:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Os Lusíadas

Hi, I'm just popping in to query the B rating given to the above article. The article has some serious problems, it appears to be heavily loaded with original research and contains not one citation to dissuade this impression. The work needs a serious cleanup, copy edit and the attention of an expert, as the translation has created a host of issues which have added to pre-existing problems with the text.

I understand that this article is about a topic that is very important in Portugal, and I thought I ought to bring it to your attention so it can get cleaned up and represent its topic better :) I know you don't have to listen to one users opinion... but it certainly wouldn't rate B class with myself or any users whose assessment techniques I know of. My personal suggestion would be to de-rate it to start until it has been cleaned up. I hope you haven't taken offence at this idea :) SGGH 20:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ippar

2 things: an article is needed and their images are free use!

This media file is a courtesy of IPPAR and may be used freely, assuming the source is credited, as stated in [1].

Galf 11:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Map of the Portuguese Empire

Hello everyone! I made a map of the whole Portuguese Empire (1415-1999):

An anachronous map of the Portuguese Empire (1415-1999). Red - actual possessions; Pink - explorations, areas of influence and claims of sovereignty; Blue - main sea explorations, routes and areas of inluence.

What do you think? You can participate in its discussion at Talk:Portuguese Empire and Talk:Evolution of the Portuguese Empire. Obrigado! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Ogre (talk • contribs) 15:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

Did I forget to sign?!? Mea maxima culpa! The Ogre 13:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Visigothic Hispania in the article Al-Andalus

You may be interested in going to Talk:Al-Andalus#Visigothic Hispania and participate in the current discussion. Thank you. The Ogre 13:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Latin cultures

Hello everyone! You may want to go to Latin cultures an participate in the article and discussion. There are a lot of disputed statements... The Ogre 12:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Map of the Spanish Empire

Hello everyone. Please come to Talk:Spanish Empire#Map and participate in the discussion. It pertains to the inclusion of the Portuguese Empire in the territories of the Spanish Empire during the period of the Iberian Union from 1580 to 1640. Thank you! The Ogre 13:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

List ...

Are you guys planning on doing anything about List of Portuguese books by title? Frankly it seems kind of unnotable and may be a violation of WP:NOT - but I figured I should check if you guys have any plans with it.danielfolsom 00:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I do not reckon that that page is under violation of WP:NOT. It's a list of Portuguese literature. I'm not aware however of any plans of WP:PT to deal with it for now. We still have too few members, and those we have are not dedicated to Wikipedia enough for us to set a project map and have everyone follow it.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (please join WP:PT or WP:SPOKEN) 08:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Well first of all - half of it is red links, second of all - to be more exact, it might be a violation of WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information - but most importanntly - how in the world do you expect to be able to have every portuguese book - that's just insanity.danielfolsom 13:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's moreso a violation of this. --danielfolsom 13:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Portugal

Is this project still alive? If so how many users are active? Ordep 16:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It's alive, but not many active users. If you would like to help out that would be great.--Ivo ^{talk / contribs} (please join WP:PT 22:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• Portugal article seems like an article from a banana republic (it goes around random paragraphs, planes and football, it just lacks coconuts and some bananas), that should be a priority. --Pedro 17:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Póvoa de Varzim

• I'm trying to this article in order to get an FA. if you are in good faith, you may want to vote or do some edits. obrigado.

see it here: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Póvoa_de_Varzim. --Pedro 17:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

History_of_Portugal#The_First_Republic: POV problems?

I am not familiar with the issues involved, but the section History_of_Portugal#The_First_Republic looks to me like it needs to be reviewed for WP:NPOV issues. -- 201.19.77.39 18:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Esmoriz Article

I live in Esmoriz and am Portuguese and am quite saddened by the quality of the article - so I'd like to ask this wikiproject to dedicate some resources to it. Currently, I have a map with Esmoriz's location and several photos of the city itself lined up to add to the article, and am going to obtain a coat of arms scan for an illustrator to digitalize. If anyone has relevant , properly sourced information I'd be extremely grateful if they could add it to the article - I'd like to see it as a good article, but I'm certain that due to the relative lack of importance that won't happen. Either way, if the article was improved, I'd be quite glad. Thanks. --84.90.46.116 19:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I don't know Esmoriz, though I'm certain that I would like to help. I can tell you, however, that you should join Wikipedia and help out yourself. Wikipedia is run on basis of volunteer work. People like you and me. And we can only add information that we know to be certain. You live in Esmoriz, thus you are likely the best person to add information about it., don't you agree?--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 21:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I do indeed agree, but right now I'm contributing through the IP account - I intend to make an account this week when I feel I have the necessary grip on wikipedia's basic rules and stuff - I'd rather not make an account completely clueless XD Esmoriz is a pretty small city, actually - I'll upload some pictures to an image host and show them to you (and the rest of the wiki project, while I'm at it). I'm also going to the city hall and get the coat of arms tomorrow or the day after, schedule permitting. Thanks for volunteering to help, though - much appreciated :D As I get information, I'll be sure to drop notice here --84.90.46.116 14:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Do we really need a category for Portuguese anti communists??

It seems redundant to me as only Salazar is in it. Thoughts? --Mad Tinman 17:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you joined Wp. Regarding the category, I agree it is unlikely that it's necessary.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 18:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. How can we remove the category, seeing as it's pointless? Cheers. --Mad Tinman 18:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if there's a consensus in the project, which I guess there is, me, you, someone, marks the page for deletion. The instructions for this are:

• Insert the {{subst:afd1}} tag at the top of the page.
• Do not mark the edit as minor.
• Include in the edit summary the phrase Nominated for deletion: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.

Let's just wait a bit to see if someone is against going ahead with this.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 19:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. Also, I've done some editing out on Praxe you might want to take a look at, I think that article has a lot of potential if we dedicated time to it (finding pictures and history of praxe is a pain, I might have to contact the actual Praxe Comission to get it :\) --Mad Tinman _{T C} 21:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I just used the wrong template on this category. Silly me.

Mad Tinman, if you have time you may want to consider helping out the Lusiadas article, which is a mess. And the Estado Novo (Portugal) too. I've assessed the Praxe article, by the way. Hope that helps. In Wikipedia, people value (too much, if you ask me) references. Finding references in English is usually the most important and difficult part of improving an article. It is difficult because we deal with Portuguese-related articles and there's so little about it in English.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 21:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna take a look and check it out... finding english references for these articles is hell, though. I was needing something to work on, so it all works out fine XD. --Mad Tinman _{T C} 22:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

1755 Lisbon earthquake

1755 Lisbon earthquake has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Donar Reiskoffer (talk) 07:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese Creole Low Importance

Can someone explain to me how come Agualva Cacem classifies as more important than Portuguese Creole? (I am caucasian by the way).Luis v silva (talk) 07:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The importance rating is given on how important a subject is to the project. The reasoning for this case is that some bastardization of the Portuguese language is not as important as a city in the mainland country. For instance Timor is also on the WP: PT list of articles, but rated as low importance for this project. If you disagree with the rating of those two articles, however, you should feel free to discuss it, and if we all reach a consensus the rating will change.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 15:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Award

Hey guys, I have created a Barnstar for portugal, you guys can feel free to use it or not, just thought I'd do you a favour, heres the template anyway, cheers (♠Taifarious1♠) 06:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

		The Portugal Barnstar of National Merit
		{{{xX-message goes here-Xx}}}

I have created a better banrstar than this for national awards a year and half ago. Check it out .--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 15:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance: hare coursing

The article hare coursing includes the following at hare coursing#In other countries:

"According to the UK Government's Burns Inquiry[9], open coursing (UK style) takes place in Spain and park coursing (Irish style) takes place in Portugal. Coursing also takes place in Pakistan. Hare coursing is illegal in most other European countries.[17]"

Can anyone in this wikiproject find any sources describing the existence, notability or debate on hare coursing in Portugal? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeHobday (talk • contribs) 11:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

A cousin of mine used to or still does this. I'm not sure if it's illegal in here since he had to file a lot of paperwork to go out there with a shotgun and his dog. Of course you are looking for a source of this, which may be a little tricky considering most Portuguese hunting stuff doesn't show up online. Hopefully another editor may be able to actually offer some help.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 14:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that may be a different form of hunting - coursing involves greyhounds or galgos, not shotguns. It may, for all I know, be a very small activity in Portugal - it wasn't all that big in the UK before it was made uillegal. MikeHobday (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

This really isn't my area of expertise, but I think I've found the Portuguese hunting law (link), or at least part of it, and article 89 is about hares (lebre, in Portuguese). It mentions several different ways of hunting, but since I know nothing about this suject, I don't know if it mentions coursing. If I had to guess, I'd say it may be the one called corricão (means something like running dog), because in article 80, number 3, it mentions that galgos can only be used for corricão hare hunting. Cattus ^talk 16:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Jorge Ferreira

Could someone take a look at Jorge Ferreira? It makes the most astonishing claims I known not to be true, such as saying things in the line "the most important Portuguese musician ever"... And he is only a Pimba musician living in the US... I'll go for it some day, but I would appreciate some help. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 21:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Latin Europe

Hello WikiProject Portugal/Archive 1! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 20:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)