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= reverts required - Template:playstationp

Hello. User:playstationdude recently went around adding Template:playstationp to many articles. As many of you will be aware, project templates should be added to talk pages rather than to articles themselves. I've notified Playstationdude of this, and I have reverted a few of the additions myself. I would revert more, but I don't have time currently, so if some of you could pick up where I left off, that would be great. I understand Playstationdude was probably adding the template in good faith, and is just a new user, so I apologise if I perhaps could have worded this a bit nicer. --Dreaded Walrus 21:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it appears that during my typing of that last message, Playstationdude has taken note of the message I left on his talk page and has began moving the templates over to the talk pages rather than leaving them on the articles. :) --Dreaded Walrus 22:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I tried incorporating the {{check talk}} template so that a warning would display if the {{playstationp}} template was added in the main namespace, but I don't think it worked. Do you know what I may have done wrong? Dancter 23:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that earlier, myself. I think you probably know a bit more about templates and things than me, but having a look at another template, it appears that that template has a working "check talk" style check, as can be seen in this test "preview" screenshot I took. Perhaps it should be placed at the top of the template, before other things? I would experiment with this a bit more, but I am tired right now. Perhaps when I awake. --Dreaded Walrus 00:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure it matters much, anymore. It was intended primarily as a cautionary measure in anticipation of Playstationdude. Obviously it didn't accomplish that. I've attempted a workaround based on the template you showed, but it's not very robust, and will break in the event of a template rename. It's good practice for template writing, though. Dancter 01:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah... Well, the important thing/s are that firstly, the template doesn't seem to be on any articles anymore. Secondly, if someone does put it on an article, they will notice, hopefully. Thirdly, and most importantly, playstationdude realised his mistake, and mostly reverted every change he made. It's an easy mistake to make, and he's new to Wikipedia it seems, so nothing is lost, really. :) --Dreaded Walrus 08:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry about my mistake of posting the templates. I put them on all of the game articles on the playstation 3 exlusive games list. I fixed over half of them, but then ran out of time. Please forgive me.Playstationdude 23:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Like I say, it's no problem. It's all fixed now, and everyone makes mistakes once in a while, especially when we're new. :) --Dreaded Walrus 08:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

need controller image change

Sorry that I'm not in the project yet but first I must create a name. Anyway, could some change the picture of the Playstation 3 controller. It never launched it silver. I would but i don't know how to change pictures. Thank you!

How to join?

Hi.

I am a staunch supporter of Sony/PlayStaion family. I own a PS2.

I was wondering how I can join this thing? Thanks

Dnlkk94 01:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Just add your name to the member list on the edit page section. If you would like someone to put you on it for you please just say so.


Well could someone put it on for me? Cupy 52040 18:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I will put you up Cupy. Tell me if you want anything by your name on the project page.--Playstationdude 03:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Help

I need some help and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post on the project page for help, only recently becoming a member of the project. Recently, I've been editing the Crash Bandicoot article, and have noticed something; that the article shares its talk page with the Crash Bandicoot (disambiguation) page, and I wondering if anyone here nows how to fix that, seeing how this is within the scope of the Playstation Project. Help could possibly lead to the Crash Bandicoot becoming a B-Class article like Crash Twinsanity one day in the forseeable future.Michael Mad 20:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I checked the problem and believe that someone has created a redirect, but I can't find the redirect on the edit page. If anyone knows how to fix this please tell us. Playstationdude 01:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have fixed it, or at least, I think I have. I just simply deleted all text on the redirect page, which seemed to do the trick. I then just put up cvgproj and playstationp. As of now, I have put Crash Bandicoot up for assessment, the result of which I am waiting for.Michael Mad 16:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know there was a whole different page for redirects, but thank you. Playstationdude 02:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Crash Bandicoot has finally been assessed as Start-Class. Let us see if I can get it up to B-Class by Summer's end. Michael Mad 17:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Template:playstationp

I've been adding it to PS2 only games latly and I'm surprised to see that almost no talk pages have the template on them I've gotten up to "B" games and hope that maybe fellow members can help out. I was also surpised and shocked to see that the PlayStation 2 article itself had no template until I added it. Sam ov the blue sand 20:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

This is because this is a fairly new wikiproject. We need all the help we can get. --EfferAKS 20:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh well that explains it.Sam ov the blue sand 01:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I tried adding the template to the ps2 page a long time ago, but it thought that the template was spam.Playstationdude 01:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


Project Playstation Logo

This is a copyrite free logo I made for use in the Playstation Project.Shadowfyre 21:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a typo in the logo. It says "Plyatation Project". --Dreaded Walrus t c 21:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, I completely missed that, I'll Fix it.Shadowfyre 23:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes even the simplest of mistakes slip through the net on these things. A proofreader of some type can be indispensable at times. :) --Dreaded Walrus t c 23:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I got it fixed, is it good enough? Could it be improved on? Thanks for the feedback if there is any. Shadowfyre 00:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I just added the logo to the project and just wanted to say that it looks great. If anyone is interested, I think it would be great for this project to have a Barnstar, if anyone wants to make one. Playstationdude 19:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Good work, Shadowfyre. As for a Barnstar, that would be quite a nice addition. I couldn't make it though. Could you Shadowfyre, if you wish to that is? Michael Mad 20:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I've got it done! EfferAKS 19:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Very nice, Effer. Michael Mad 20:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about missing that barnstar offer, but if anyone else needs something done along the lines of designing something or something like that, ask me and I'll see what I can do! Shadowfyre 00:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Warhawk

If anyone is in Warhawk Beta, please email me! Mawfive 22:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Sony stub category

I have proposed a new stub category for Sony Computer Entertainment (and others). See the proposals here.

I have also proposed several game stub category name changes (see the proposals here). These aren't related. ~ JohnnyMrNinja {talk} 07:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

project image

the image on the project page states "PLAY B3YOND" but this is the american advertising campaign, not worldwide. Since I'M from the UK, I think it would be better if with this image, you also include a "this is living" image, so that it builds respect from non-americans who use wikipedia, such as me. Jagzthebest 20:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you contact shadowfyre if you would like a new logo. He was the one who made the original. I understand your want for "this is living" in the logo. By the way which console do you think is getting the most attention in the UK?--Playstationdude 03:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Change your focus.

Please change your focus to "articles which have direct involvement from Sony - ie, development, publishing, funding, advertising, etc.". - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not even sure that the change will work. Greg Jones II 22:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Just commenting, but perhaps you meant Sony Computer Entertainment? That would make more sense. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 22:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
It could be, but as I had said before, I am still not even sure if the change will work. Greg Jones II 23:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Not that I'm a member of this Project, but I think the members would like to know what's wrong with the current focus and the reason behind your request. (Guyinblack25 talk 02:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC))

I'm thinking that the project is just TOO wide, you know? I think that more can get done if the focus is on SCE games rather than games on SCE consoles. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not even sure that if the change will work. I don't believe it. Greg Jones II 19:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean? - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The change from the focus on the SCE games rather than games on the SCE consoles themselves. I am not sure about this. Greg Jones II 21:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I have a question, does the current focus include any game that was on a PlayStation system, or only games that were/are primarily exclusive to PlayStation systems? (Guyinblack25 talk 22:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC))
From looking at the project page, I'm not sure. Twice in the article is the text The project covers all articles about PlayStation and their games and use, while in the Template section, it says Please place this template on the talk page of all articles relating to PlayStation products or PlayStation exclusive games. But regardless, I feel A Link to the Past may have a point. There have been probably around 10,000 PlayStation games in total, and about half of those will be exclusives. That is a very, very broad "focus".—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreaded Walrus (talk • contribs) 02:01, July 31, 2007
Perhaps we should seek some input from the editors that started this project. (Guyinblack25 talk 05:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC))
I don't see any need to change the focus. Yes it may be a large focus but the PlayStation project should focus on everything in the PlayStation world not just Sony products and Sony itself. Otherwise many important PlayStation articles would be left out such as successful games for PlayStation not made by Sony. Xtreme racer 05:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Other projects will cover those. If you stretch the "focus" thin, then all articles suffer. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I've left a message on the project's co-founders' talk pages. Let's see what thoughts they have regarding this. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC))

The The project covers all articles about PlayStation and their games and use part was put up by a unknown person. I beleive that we should heavily cover the exclusive SCE products and third party exlusives, but also at least lightly cover third party and other sony branches products that relate to the playstation.--Playstationdude 17:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

This project covers EVERYTHING relating to PlayStation and SCE products, games, and consoles, I agree that it may be a bit broad, but at the same time it should remain that way because there aren't enough members to break the project up into different-focused sections(or different related projects) at this time.--EfferAKS 20:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The lack of members more shows that the project needs to narrow its focus. If the project focuses on thousands upon thousands of articles and there's hardly enough people to work on hundreds of them, that's a problem. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Considering that this project is only about 4 months old, it might be a little early to judge the effectiveness of their scope and work thus far. Given the age, it's no wonder that there are fewer participants than other groups, but there also seems to be a steady increase in the number of participants (5 on 2007-04-18 and 37 as of today). Other groups have similar scope and seem to have done just fine. The Nintendo Project is only about a year older and has a similar Nintendo-based scope. The Sega Taskforce is even older and has a similar Sega-based scope as well. In my opinion, several of the articles they have worked on have shown great signs of improvement. Perhaps this topic should be revisited after more time has passed and there are more of their efforts to examine, because right now it seems too early to really gauge any of this. Just my thoughts. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC))
I'm going to agree to Guyinblack's statements for the time being. --EfferAKS 21:53, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I also would like to mention that I've always thought that when are member list has grown over a hundred we could make task forces for sce regions and a playstation third party task force. I know it sounds odd, but we can just talk more about it when we have a big member list. I would also like to ask the members to introduce friends into the wikipedia world and show them the playstation project.--Playstationdude 22:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
We don't need projects based on region. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree as well there is no need for task forces for the separate SCE regions but a third party task force might be a good idea. Xtreme racer 00:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Terracotta Warrior Iki: Mechanized Typhoon Knight

Terracotta Warrior Iki: Mechanized Typhoon Knight - this is a game that is set to be released with the PS3. Anything sound odd about that? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It says it has been postponed. --Playstationdude 16:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Membership

I've been wondering; should users who have no accounts(i.e., users who are just IP addresses) be allowed to join this project? Also, should users who have been permanently blocked have their username taken off the list of members? Michael Mad 20:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't think IP users should be allowed to join the project, but Wikipedia may also have a consensus about this issue. --EfferAKS 22:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Ad

I've asked User:Miranda to make a ad for us. She said that she may do it later this week. If she does do it I think we should give her our barnstar. --Playstationdude 19:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

What kind of an ad are you talking about? Cause Wikipedia doesn't allow advertising, I think it's considered spamming,etc. --EfferAKS 19:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
A banner. like this-

Image:Qxz-ad31.gif They go on userpages. User talk:Playstationdude 20:47, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Since it's on userpages, it's alright. Can't wait to see the banner! --EfferAKS 21:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Just for the record, the template in question is {{Wikipedia ads}}, formerly known as {{Qxz-ads}}. --Dreaded Walrus t c 21:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Image:Qxz-ad81.gif
Y Done Miranda 01:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
It looks good, but there are some spelling changes to be made. I will tell her on her page.--Playstationdude 19:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
She made the changes. I am giving her the star now.--Playstationdude 21:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Great job! --EfferAKS 23:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar! Miranda 17:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Dead links

At least 66 links of a suspected 211 were detected as dead, found on pages under the umbrella of this project. External links are primarily used in references and should be treated as though the references were missing. See parent message at WP:CVG. —Dispenser 02:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we have some work to do. Any help is good. --Playstationdude 02:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Playstation 3 Vandalism Semi Protection

Semi Protection was lifted from the PlayStation 3 article and some vandalisers, primarily xbox fans, attacked the page. There may be some vandalising edits in the article, but the good news is its back to Semi-Protected status so no more angry fans vandalising. I'm looking into any bad edits and may require some help, if anyone cares please QUICK READ through the article to see if there are any problemes and correct them. THANKS!JTBX 16:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Blu-ray

Just would like to mention that I have created the Blu-ray Project, a related project of the PlayStation Project. --Playstationdude 01:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

A funny thing you guys forgot

You left out PSP in the categories section. Don't worry I added it. JTBX 15:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --EfferAKS 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Need your wisdom, Help guys!

Okay some user known as Silver Edge deleted some of the following text from the article introduction of PlayStation 2:

Before edit: "Released little more than a year after the Sega Dreamcast and a year before its main competitors Microsoft Xbox and Nintendo GameCube, the PS2 is part of the sixth generation of video game consoles. It is the most dominant and commercially successful, best selling home console in video game history, with over 120 million units shipped worldwide by May 2007".[1]

Okay? Now after Silver Knight edited it: "Released little more than a year after the Sega Dreamcast and a year before its main competitors Microsoft Xbox and Nintendo GameCube, the PS2 is part of the sixth generation of video game consoles. As of March 2007, 117.89 million PS2 units has been shipped worldwide".[1]

The problem is that the source is a little old (March 2007) so he has changed it according to that. But the thing I find wrong is getting rid of the whole "It is the most dominant and commercially successful, best selling home console in video game history" sentence. We all know it is, he has stated that the source does not cite this. So I moved it to the paragraph above but again he got rid of it for a reason I am not sure of and in his edit summary has written "PS2 has only shipped 117 units not sold 100 million" or something like that which I was also confused about. Most introductory paragraphs in articles say, for example, for James Brown have this:

commonly referred to as "The Godfather of Soul" and "The Hardest Working Man in Show Business," was an American entertainer recognized as one of the most influential figures in 20th century popular music. He was renowned for his shouting vocals, feverish dancing and unique rhythmic style,

Brown began his professional music career in 1953 and rose to fame during the late 1950s and early 1960s on the strength of his thrilling live performances and string of smash hits. In spite of various personal problems and setbacks, he continued to score hits in every decade through to the 1980s. In addition to his acclaim in music, Brown was a presence in American political affairs during the 1960s and 1970s, noted especially for his activism on behalf of fellow African Americans and the poor. During the early 1980s, Brown's music helped to shape the rhythms of early hip hop music, with many groups looping or sampling his funk grooves and turning them into what became hip hop classics and the foundations of this music genre.

etc, etc you get the idea, and no citations for any of that. So why should he get rid of that sentence from PlayStation 2's article. We all know it is the most successful console in history, so what's up?

Please reply and discuss on this page. After numerous undos to his edit and his to mine, I have given up and need help guys. Discuss here and take it from there. Thanks. I hope this gets cleared up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JTBX (talk • contribs) 17:18, 13 September 2007

The difference between shipped and sold can be massive and is used by companies to sort of bend the truth. Explanation: Sold is simple it means consoles purchased by the likes of you and me. Shipped on the other hand means consoles that have left the factory and are currently somewhere in the supply chain between the factory door and you putting your money on the counter to buy one.they could be anywhere, in a warehouse, in the storeroom at your local shop, in a truck or even on a ship in the middle of the Pacific. So Sony, Microsoft et al get to boast about something they have, and at the same time haven't really, achieved. - X201 08:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
As for Silver edge's edits I think he/she was correct. Take the sales figures out of the sentence in question and you're left with "It is the most dominant and commercially successful, ... in video game history" and that is a statement that needs a citation, the list of shipping figures doesn't support that claim. The NES could be called the most dominant when it shut out all competition in the US or Atari 2600 when it had virtually zero competition. Phrases like that can't just be added to Wikipedia they would fall squarely under the requirements of WP:OR and WP:CITE - X201 08:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes I already know the difference between shipped and sold, but the PS2 has sold over one million units, but what I am trying to say is why that sentence of it being the most dominant and successful console (which it is) has been removed. JTBX 20:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Because it can easily be construed as Original Research or failing NPOV. It needs a citation to back it up. - X201 08:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Sources added, Case closed! JTBX 19:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

BD or Blu-Ray?

In wikipedia Playstation 3 games are either BD-Rom or Blu-Ray Disc, i think one of them shouldbe decided upon so that they can all be the same. Not sure which would be the most popular, id say Blu-Ray since its the clearest description. Any ideas? John.n-irl 09:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest using BD-ROM, so as to avoid confusion with the video disc format commonly referred to as Blu-ray Disc (just like DVD is usually used for referring to DVD-Video, as opposed to DVD-ROM).The Seventh Taylor 15:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Portal

A couple of weeks ago I created the Blu-ray Project and now I am proud to announce the Blu-ray Portal! --Playstationdude 01:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Button images

To prevent confusion about button names for the international market, I have created four images:

--ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 14:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Warhawk ranking issues

Okay does anyone here know if Incognito are fixing the problems that some players (including me) are facing with ranks that are too high? It is very annoying. Bought the game last week yet I'm a 2nd Lieutenant >:(. JTBX 19:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

They claim they are working on it and on the official forums they have announced test games like ranked non-sony servers. Personally I enjoy having the customizations that come with being 2nd Lieutenant while really being 500 points short. I also keep getting nominated for airman in a bunch of games. --Playstationdude 21:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

PSU3 Magazine

Does anyone here have access to issue 13 of the UK edition of PSU3 magazine? Because I need some info from of it for a citation. - X201 13:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't heard of PSU3 magazine. Can you make a article for it and put it in the media section of the PlayStation template. I just made the PlayStation: The Official Magazine article yesterday.--Playstationdude 22:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I can't make an article for it because I've only just heard of it. All I know is that someone claims that it's the source for some info they added to the GTA IV article. Which is why I'm trying to track it down, with very little luck. - X201 08:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I found the website.http://www.psu3.co.uk/index.html. I saw the cover of the issue, but couldn't see the article. They are selling the magazine online for €3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Playstationdude (talk • contribs) 21:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
It appears to have been known as "Next3" at one point, see [1] and [2]. Coincidentally, it also appears to have been shut down after the last issue (14), merged with Play. See [3] at MCV for the press release. --Dreaded Walrus t c 11:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

PS3's Processor

How many bits can it handle? I've been looking everywhere for this spec and I can't find it anywhere, I know that the PS2 had a 128 Bit Processor. -- Vdub49 01:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much about the technical stuff, but I know the CPU is a secret.--Playstationdude 02:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Its not a very big secret, we had a talk on it last year in collage, ill try find out for you. John.n-irl 09:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Task

I am just brainstorming, but would anyone want to join a Ratchet and Clank Task Force if there was one?--Playstationdude 01:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I would join, the demo was great. -- Vdub49 01:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

While I do enjoy playing the Ratchet and Clank games, there is one problem. Like the recently deleted Zoo Tycoon Task Force, Ratchet and Clank is a bit too small of a topic for a task force to cover. But something like a Need For Speed Task Force could be useful. Xtreme racer 04:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, I am just brainstorming. I am really leaning into a Insomniac task force. BTW, I loved the demo too.--Playstationdude 22:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Finished. Check it out here.--Playstationdude 12:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)