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Cleanup?

Are there any pages that need to be cleaned up? I think we should add that as a task category. I don't think I can expand many pages, but I can clean stuff up and Wikify pages --AW 21:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The article Buccaneer is tagged as needing cleanup. Golden Age of Piracy also needs work; it's tagged as confusing. Pirate Dan 22:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Pirate Round

Added article on the Pirate Round. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Piratedan (talk • contribs) 22:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

WP:SPOTLIGHT work on John Gow

Howdy folks, we put the spotlight on the stub John Gow. Its now a fully fledged article. You guys can check out our changes at this link. If you want to join our efforts, just hop into #wikipedia-spotlight on the irc.freenode.net network. If you need any help with this just ask me. —— Eagle101 Need help? 00:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. We'll want to have a look at it. Overall, a pretty good job. Pirate Dan 22:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Pirate authors who need articles

I don't think we need to have an article for every author who ever wrote a book about piracy, but I'm going to add Marcus Rediker (even though I can't stand him), Ken Kinkor, David Cordingly, and Angus Konstam to the list of articles that need creation. I think each of these guys has contributed books of enough importance and impact to need articles about them. Konstam, of course, has contributed a lot to military literature outside the piracy/maritime field also, and Cordingly would be a noteworthy maritime historian even if he'd never written about piracy.

What other pirate authors need a page? Benerson Little? Jan Rogozinski? Philip Gosse? Don Maitz? Douglas Botting? I am not sure about any of these guys, but consider them. Pirate Dan 20:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Philip Gosse deserves to be mentioned on a page of his own. However, I know too little about him to be able to contribute to such a page. I would be grateful if somebody could tell me whether "our" Philip Gosse, who wrote The Pirates' Who's Who in 1924 and The History of Piracy in 1932, is identical to the grandson of Philip Henry Gosse, who is mentioned in this paragraph:
Philip Gosse, the grandson of P. H. Gosse, became a keen naturalist and qualified doctor who published a book entitled Memoirs of a Camp Follower in March 1934, later issued as A Naturalist goes to War (1942). It contains memories of his time in the RAMC (Royal Army Medical Corps) in France/Belgium in 1915–1917 and India in 1917–1918. It is an account of much field work: on an average day he caught and skinned mice, shrews and small mammals, which were then sent to the Natural History Museum, and also covered some of the horrors of war, and army anecdotes. He was also appointed as rat officer to the 2nd Army.
His ODNB online entry follows: Oxford Biography Index entry
Philip Gosse
Gosse, Philip Henry George (1879–1959), general practitioner and writer on natural history
Also, do you know whether Burt Franklin, New York, was the publisher of the 1968 reprint of THoP or of the 1932 original? And lastly, I have the Project Gutenberg edition of The Pirates' Who's Who. It says on the title page: Published by Burt Franklin. Originally published in 1924. Does that mean that it has been published originally by BF, or that only the reprint (the year of which is missing on the title page) is by BF?
I'm sorry for the numerous questions, but I am sure ye all with yer years of pyrating experience will have no trouble answering them! By the way, I am also the IP who has added the name of John Quelch to the List of Pirates under Golden Age of Piracy: 1690-1730. I am currently writing a paper on his trial for university, and once I have this finished (hopefully end of the week), I want to shape a nice biographical article out of it. Thanks in advance, --82.207.213.231 10:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I just had an opportunity to check out the ODNB. Philip Henry George Gosse, the naturalist, and Philip Gosse, the piracy historian, are indeed one and the same. --82.207.217.158 16:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know off the top of my head. For the Pirates' Who's Who, that cite would definitely mean that the reprint was Burt Franklin, but the original could have been Burt Franklin too.
About Gosse's The Pirates' Who's Who - keep your weather eye open! Gosse has some serious inaccuracies. For example, his section on Stede Bonnet wrongly puts Bonnet in the British Army (he was in the colonial militia), thinks the Royal James was a new vessel rather than simply a new name for the Revenge, and gets the dates of Bonnet's escape and execution both wrong.
As for Gosse's section on Quelch, I can't say I see any glaring errors, but I don't know much about Quelch. The only thing he says that's dubious is the bit about "a silver oar, the emblem of a pirate's execution." The silver oar was, of course, the symbol of the Lord High Admiral's jurisdiction; it would be displayed any time an Admiralty court's sentence of death was being carried out, not just for pirate hangings. It is interesting, if true, that they used the silver oar in Boston; colonial courts were technically courts of "Vice-Admiralty" rather than "Admiralty," and I didn't know that they were entitled to display the silver oar.
Pirate Dan 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Jolly Roger

Jolly Roger recently had the "Ali Raja" derivation of the flag's name removed from it. This explanation definitely has been offered in secondary sources, so my instinct is to put it back in. On the other hand, I have never heard "Ali Raja's" name mentioned in any source on piracy, except as a convenient explanation for the flag's name. Should we consign him to the realm of myth? Pirate Dan 16:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and put the Ali Raja story back in, and added a Cordingly cite. If someone wants to argue that he's mythical, let him produce his eveidence. Pirate Dan 11:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Poll for article move at Wokou

There's currently a poll on a proposed article move at Wokou. Poll options include:

  • Move to Japanese pirates
  • Move to Wakō
  • Move to Wōkòu
  • Keep at Wokou

Please vote if you have an opinion. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Similarity between Wokou Viking Sea People,Should all these pages be under the en:Category:Piracy?

See Talk:Wokou#Are wokou pirates?The similarity pattern between Wokou,Viking,and Sea People,onshore raids.--Ksyrie 13:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate articles

Would anybody be interested in helping to merge Lin Feng into Limahong? They are two articles about the same person. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Done ♣ Deflagro ♠ 16:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ryoko the pirate

What about Ryoko the pirate who chased off the Mongols during the Mongol invasions of Japan and became a heroine? Chris 10:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

I created this userbox and then found this Wikiproject. If anyone would like I will also make a userbox for this Wikiproject. Deflagro 22:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

This user thinks they are a pirate and looks forward to September 19.
Nevermind about that. Just now saw we already had one! Deflagro 22:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


Pirate Infobox

While recently creating the article John Quelch (pirate) (still making it as I type this) I noticed that the Pirate Infobox as some glitches and needs to be ironed out. I haven't worked on a template before, but I will try to learn on the fly. If not some else needs to work on it, because for some reason, parts of it won't show up on the page, parts are missing, etc. Thanks! Deflagro 14:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Finished doing that. I am currently changing all the pages that use it to conform to the new one. Deflagro 23:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Francis Drake

On the Francis Drake page, I added the {{Pirates}} and the Pirate infobox. These were both reverted by an IP saying it was the wrong infobox. The original infobox was just the biography infobox. I posted this on the IP's talk page (which had some praise on it from earlier edits) and on the page's talk page. No one has responded and the IP has not logged on in a while. Any other opinions on this? ♣ Deflagro ♠ 03:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I readded the template and infobox. If they are removed again I believe we can successfully convince the committee that Francis Drake certainly should be included under the scope of WikiProject Piracy. --Mad Max 00:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for agreeing with me! Wasn't sure what to do since no one had replied in a while and the IP hadn't logged on in a week or two! Deflagro Contribs/Talk 03:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Piracy Portal

What are portals, you ask? I have no idea. What's their purpose? I'm at a loss to explain that one, too. But I've noticed there are a lot of portals out there, for whatever reason, for just about everything...except pirates. Maybe its because people think there is no use for one or maybe because no one wants to waste their time. All pretty good reasons. Luckily, I'm on break from school and have nothing but time. I've created a simple Piracy portal though it isn't complete and I don't think I'll ever complete it. I just don't have the dedication to finish or maintain it. Right now it looks terrible (compared to, say, the Cricket portal) and most of the info is just filler. So I'm letting you guys know for anyone who is interesting in taking over the project. By the way, I'm not MadMax (talk · contribs), though I think it is really weird that there are two users with nearly identical names who thinks pirates are totally sweet. Cheers. --Mad Max 07:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Piracy Portal
Woah. For a while I thought this was the return of MadMax! Welcome to the project! Since you are helping out, it might be a good idea to add your name to the list of participants. I will try and help on the {{Piracyportal}} with upkeep and expansion. Good job on creating it! Deflagro Contribs/Talk 15:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Edward Low

Arrrr. Any help with improving this article would be appreciated. Neil ム 14:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, the 1837 edition of the Pirate's Own Book is available online via Project Gutenberg, as it is out of copyright. Find it at http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/12216 - may be of use. The images within the book are also therefore out of copyright. Lots of other old books, too. Neil ム 14:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I haven't added it to the front page, as it's not a new article (I started it back in Jan 06), but I've expanded it quite a lot now, and so please feel free to take a look. A peer review has been opened here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Edward Low. Thanks. Neil ム 13:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Now a good article. Argh! Neil ム 21:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Piracy ad

I just recently created an ad for the Wikiproject and it is now in the Wikipedia ads. Here is the ad: Image:Qxz-ad93.gif Deflagro C/T 18:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Template: Pirates

Just to let you guys know. I got a few complaints a while back about the old template pirates being a little intrusive and in the way since it was near the top. I have converted it to a small banner and the bottom of the page and would like to get a little input on it. I'll post the banner too. Thanks! Deflagro C/T 01:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Category suggestion

For games involving piracy as the main theme; perhaps Category:Games about pirates? Subcategory of Category:Piracy in fiction and Category:Games (I was suprised there is no Category:Games by theme). Category:Video games about pirates should be its subcategory.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Buccaneer cleanup?

The Buccaneer article has been tagged for cleanup since February 2007. I worked on it some over the summer. I revisted it recently and saw it was still tagged, but I don't see anything that it is lacking. Could someone look over it and see what else needs to be cleaned up. Here is a link to way it looked when originally tagged and here is showing the differences between it and the current. Any thoughts? Deflagro C/T 02:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)