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Contents 1 PA State Highways Articles format 2 Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Pennsylvania 3 Naming Convention 4 Pennsylvania Route 715 & Pennsylvania Route 402 5 Structure? 5.1 Route description 5.2 Length 5.3 Cities 5.4 Intersections with other Interstates, US highways and other main roads 5.5 Spur routes 5.6 Attractions 5.7 Notes 5.8 Sources 5.9 External links 5.9.1 County x (for example) 6 Shield Naming 7 Infobox 8 Junction Table 9 Empty articles at CAT:CSD 10 Auto-archiving 11 Route Articles 12 Shields! 13 Shield Fonts 14 Completion list 15 Infobox browse 16 SR Boxes 17 Pennsylvania Route 29 18 Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2 19 Shield Request(s) 20 Template:Pennsylvania-State-Highway-stub 21 Pennsylvania Route 66 22 Crackdown time 23 Mon/Fayette Expressway 24 Project directory 25 Merge and a split 26 Shields 27 Naming conventions poll voting for Part 2 27.1 Convention 1: Pennsylvania Route x 27.2 Convention 2: Pennsylvania State Route x 28 Pennsylvania Route 441 29 Interstate 278 (Pennsylvania) 30 Route description and major cities 31 WP:PASH newsletter 32 Requested move 32.1 Survey 32.1.1 Survey - in support of the move 32.1.2 Survey - in opposition to the move 32.2 Discussion 33 TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates 34 List of minor routes in Pennsylvania

PA State Highways Articles format

Here's an idea for how the PA State Highway Articles should go:

1. A general overview of the road, including size and types of use

2. A brief history

3. The ends of the road

4. Route of the road, including towns and cities along the path, and intersections with other major roads.

5. Major attractions along the road

6. Recent projects to improve/upgrade the road, if applicable.

7. Road in popular culture, if applicable.

These facts should be included somewhere in there: length of the road, year it was designated as a PA State Highway, volume of the road at critical points (if avaliable).

There's a good site for info: PA State Ends It has a lot of pictures which may be helpful.

Do you like these ideas?

Also, there should be a consistancy to the articles, whether we explain the route north to south or south to north (likewise for east/west roads). What do you think is better?

Getagrip123 18:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good so far. The articles should be done south to north (b/c of mileposts). Also we need a routebox for this project too. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Pennsylvania

Some articles covered by this WikiProject lack photographs. As part of a subcategorization of the requested photos category, there is now a category for Pennsylvania articles needing photos - to use it, just add {{reqphotoin|Pennsylvania}} to the article's talk page. I have only added a few articles to the category so far, but it would be an easy way to make an extensive list Pennsylvania-related articles lacking photos. I hope you find it useful! TheGrappler 05:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Naming Convention

I just joined this project but i am a mebmer of another highways project that has put together a naming convention. The main reason why i brought this is is that their is a user who like to impose his own naming conventions, and has done so on at laest one article today PA Route 611, with the idea that it is the correct way to identify state highways in Penna. Regardless if it is the official way or not, i do not see it as a good way to identify PA highways as PA Route X, with my main point of contention being the PA. While PA is to Ambigious of a term to be used to identify thses routs, and if it used officialy i can see it more of a abbrivated version of Pennsylvania. Anyway i think that we should discussu this issue and come up with a convention. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 22:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd wait until the Arbitration dust clears, honestly. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 21:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I rather think it would be in the best intrest to move forward, the arbcom should have no bearing on this what so ever consider that it involves the actions of a user and not naming convention. Their for i see it in the best intrest of the project to move forward on this issue, so that we dont have 50 different types of article names. Anyone wanting to put foward a proposal should do so. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right - the full "Pennsylvania Route X" form is sometimes used. [1] --SPUI (T - C) 11:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Well then if that is the case, i move that the "Pennsylvania Route X" form be used as the perferd form for the article names, being that it is the less ambigious of the "correct" terms. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 06:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - "Pennsylvania State Route X" is not used, and "State Route X" is even just plain wrong for some routes - I-380 is SR 380 and PA 380 is SR 400 for example. --SPUI (T - C) 15:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well assuming that no one objects to this name proposal, then i say that it should be made as the perfered standard and listed as such on the project page and on the mos page, i'll say that a least a week for comment. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 715 & Pennsylvania Route 402

I finished these articles-each have 2 pictures (1 for each terminus).I did it help out here.HurricaneCraze32 23:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Structure?

All articles are to begin with a brief description of the route in general: mileage, etc. A general overview of the road, including size and types of use. A brief history

Route description

Describe the routing through this state. The ends of the road

Length

Make (or leave) a table that has the individual mileages for specific area(s).

Cities

Make (or leave) the cities list... South to north and west to east please!

Intersections with other Interstates, US highways and other main roads

A bulleted list.

Spur routes

List any.

Attractions

Major attractions along the road

Notes

Put all oddities, trivia, etc. here. Recent projects to improve/upgrade the road, if applicable. Road in popular culture, if applicable.

Sources

Put sources here

External links

Links having to do with entire highway go here.

County x (for example)

Put related county-specific links here.

I adapted this from Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Highways. Should it be on the Project Page?Dddstone 20:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think that the "Intersections..." heading could be shortened to just "Major Intersections". Also, for "Length", I would take it a step further and define "area" (which would likely be counties in this case). Otherwise, this looks like a solid start and I would place it on the project page, personally.

Aside from this issue, I've noticed one thing since I started taking an interest in PA routes a week ago: there are about a hundred different naming conventions for PA shields here on Wikipedia. I've seen:

• • Route 715 shield.gif (for Pennsylvania Route 715)
  • PennsylvaniaRoute611.gif (for Pennsylvania Route 611)
  • PA-005.png (for Pennsylvania Route 5)
  • PA 646.png (for Pennsylvania Route 646)

among others. We should seriously consider adopting a naming convention for PA shields before we go much further. --TMF ^{T - C} 14:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Shield Naming

As stated in the Structure section above, there is currently no set standard for the naming of Pennsylvania State Route shields. For this project to be truly successful (IMO), there must be one. For example, all New York State route shields are named "NY-X.png" (with X representing the route number). All Massachusetts state route shields are named "MA Route X.svg".

To start the flow of ideas, I believe that we should follow NY's lead and use "PA-X.png" as it is short, easy to remember and can successfully organize the shields. Comments? --TMF ^{T - C} 15:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The new naming convention for shields is "PA-X.svg", where X is the route number. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

I think that we should use {{Infobox road}} as our infobox. It covers all of the important elements of the route, is very flexible, contains an efficient browse function and is widely used in many projects such as the NYS project. --TMF ^{T - C} 15:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I've converted PA Route 120 and U.S. Route 6 in Pennsylvania to it. Once we get all the shields in a single format we can easily add them into the infobox. --SPUI (T - C) 23:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

For reference, I've been working on some SVG shields for the PA routes using the format "PA-X.svg", where X is the route number. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you can go ahead and add the shields into the routebox using the "PA-X.svg" format. As for the image redlinks that are sure to arrive as a result, I'll deal with those as I come across them. --TMF ^{T - C} 06:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox road/PA/shield PA should be all the articles needing them. --SPUI (T - C) 11:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, all of the articles on that list now have shields. The next step now is to change all of the articles with {{Infobox route}} to {{Infobox road}} as fast as possible as people are still using the obsolete Infobox route. --TMF ^{T - C} 23:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, {{Infobox route}} has finally been orphaned and sent to WP:TFD#Template:Infobox route. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Junction Table

I like the Junction Table, but I have a question where an intersection may be completely rural, i.e., not in a village, town, etc. I've looked at the coding on NY 33, and it appears to default to Municipality, State. Unless we want a bunch of red links to villages that don't have pages, many of which probably won't, I would like to suggest that the structure give the editor full ability to link as needed. A possible might be: Village, [[Township, County, State|Township]]

Some entries might not even be in a village, and some townships (in PA, for example) which have unique names don't require the county name in the link.

Also, what about the possibility of directional or proximity descriptors – North of Place, or Near Place?

--Homefryes 11:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Another clarification needed: how to appropriately use the Multiplex type (example please) --Homefryes 11:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a new feature to the NY junction table called "town_special" yesterday that allows for free entry of the linking and coding of the town, which could include a Near Place if done correctly. See NY 55 at MP 68.9 for an example of this. I'll add the "town_special" functionality into the PA table in a little bit.

For the multiplex (mplex) type, there should be two entries using the mplex type for concurrencies: one for the beginning of the multiplex and one for the end of the multiplex. If the concurrency is less than 0.3 miles, then just have one junction and do not mark it as a concurrency. I believe that NY 33 has a number of examples regarding this (the coding is nearly identical between the two tables). --TMF ^{T - C} 16:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

As requested, I’m bringing the topic of horizontal vs. stacked duplexes to this page. I strongly feel that horizontal is more visually appealing, especially when dealing in different sized routes (number of digits). Here are examples of stacked (default) and horizontal:

County	Location	Mile	Roads intersected	Notes
	US 6 PA 285	Western terminus of quadruplex. US 322/PA 18 duplex continues.
	US 6 / PA 285	Western terminus of quadruplex. US 322/PA 18 duplex continues.

Another argument for the horizontal orientation is this:

County	Location	Mile	Roads intersected	Notes
	PA 60	access to I-80 via PA 60

The "To" designation is important, as the PA 60/I-80 junction is almost immediate. I-80 is signed from PA 18, just as "To" PA 18 is signed on the exit sign with PA 60 on I-80.

Here’s an example of a simple junction that doesn’t work when the link follows the image horizontally:

County	Location	Mile	Roads intersected	Notes
	Bus. US 62	old alignment of US 62
	Bus. US 62	old alignment of US 62

Ultimately, I would like to suggest the small font for all article links below the route signs – the bold regular font, IMO, seems overkill to me:

County	Location	Mile	Roads intersected	Notes
	PA 108 / PA 168	northern terminus of multiplex

--Homefryes 11:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The horizontal method could work better than the stacked in many ways after thinking about it for a while. For example, see NY 318, which uses the stacked method to show its intersection with NY 89 and the US 20/NY 5 duplex. A reader that does not read the actual article could assume that NY 89 forms a triplex with Routes 5 and 20 here. In this instance, the horizontal method would work better, resulting in (if I'm assuming the method right):

Template:NYSRIntTop Template:NYSRInt Template:NYSRIntBottom

The inline alignment of NY 5 and US 20 also becomes consistent with its representation in the infobox when using the horizontal method. I have no problems with using plates above the shields (I've been using them more myself lately) but I'm not sold on the small font method, at least not yet.

To sum it up, I have no problems with the horizontal method. However, I'd like to get more feedback before implementing a standard change, here or anywhere else. --TMF ^{T - C} 14:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed lately that a lot of junction tables have been using detailed descriptions for the municipality column. While I have no problem with this (in fact, I think it looks great), perhaps the header should be changed. If no one objects, I'll change the table header from "Municipality" to "Location". --TMF ^{T - C} 02:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Empty articles at CAT:CSD

User:Myselfalso has created a number of articles that are empty except for a navigation box for PA state routes. They are currently tagged for speedy deletion and are in CAT:CSD. Are actual articles forthcoming for these, say, within the next few hours? If not, you should probably not be creating empty articles until you are ready to write them. --Aguerriero (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Auto-archiving

I've added Werdnabot to this page to automatically archive discussions older than 60 days per discussion on WT:USRD. If anyone has any issues regarding the use of Werdnabot, you may voice those opinions here. Thanks! --TMF ^{T - C} 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Route Articles

User:Myselfalso/PA Routes
Check out the link! I'm creating a list of all state roads; it is color coded by stub, non-stub, not begun, etcetera. I think this will help us work on the project so we know what articles to work on. Also, if anyone wants to make the list longer, I have no problem with that. --myselfalso 03:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice! That'll really help us get a grasp on the progress of the project when completed. =) --TMF ^{T - C} 05:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Shields!

I've come up with a widened shield for use with the 3-digit routes, based off of the 2-digit shield.

Take a look at PA 739 and PA 14 to see both implemented. Comments/criticisms are welcome before I proceed with more. Kether83 01:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

SVG shields are being created as we speak. The shields currently available can be found here, with more to come. --TMF ^{T - C} 06:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Request: could someone please generate PA-92.svg and PA-171.svg? They would fill ugly redlinks in List of crossings of the Susquehanna River. Of course the related articles are missing too, but that's for another day. Thanks.--J Clear 21:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Shield Fonts

After stumbling on an Arizona DOT drawing the other day that specifies the use of Series C for the route shields and series D whenever a "1" is part of the number and after looking at pictures of PA shields, it appears that PennDOT practices the same procedure, using C for all shields unless there's a "1" in the number, in which case they use D. Can anyone verify this? --TMF ^{T - C} 02:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I am in agreement. Here are some prime examples: [2], [3]. I can try to work on some of these over the weekend or next week as well, if the concensus is to move forward. I see some have already been changed. (BTW, is there anything I need to do to become an "official" member of the WP:PASH project?) Homefryes 16:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a good number of shields that need to be changed (PA 14, PA 100, PA 611, among others). Also, the only "official" thing that you need to do to join the WP:PASH project is to sign up on the project page. =) --TMF ^{T - C} 17:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Completion list

A completion list is now available at User:TwinsMetsFan/PA Routes. --TMF ^{T - C} 00:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Infobox browse

I've noticed that on some routes, decommissioned routes are being included in the browse while on others, the browse is limited to current routes only. Should we

1. include every route, decommissioned and current.
2. include current routes as well as decommissioned routes that have an article.
3. include current routes only.

Personally, I'm in favor of choice two. Thoughts? --TMF ^{T - C} 22:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Since no one's objected in the two weeks that this has been here, I'll implement choice two into the project standard. Comments are still welcome, though. --TMF ^{T - C} 21:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with choice 2. If it doesn't have an article, it shouldn't be put in the list. I'd rather be able to browse through routes that have articles than reach dead-ends. --myselfalso 22:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

SR Boxes

Browse numbered routes
< PA 28	PA		US 30 >

A lot of the state roads do not have infobox roads placed on them. Because of time constraints, I've been placing the above seen SR Boxes on the pages. I'll go back later and upgrade the articles to full infoboxes. --myselfalso 17:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It might be preferable to use an infobox road with almost no arguments filled in, like so: --NE2 09:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

PA Route 29

Pennsylvania State Routes < PA 28 US 30 > Minor - Legislative

Pennsylvania Route 29

Shouldn't Pennsylvania Route 29 (north) and Pennsylvania Route 29 (south) be combined into a single article, Pennsylvania Route 29? Like PA 29, New York State Route 24 and New Jersey Route 440 are split into two segments, but has their own article that covers both segments. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• I agree. U.S. Route 422 is also split into two sections on the same article. --myselfalso 03:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

How different are the pieces? Is it more like Route 440, where the two sections are split by necessity (in this case another state), or Interstate 76, where two distinct routes share a number? Pennsylvania Route 17, before Interstate 86 replaced one of them, was a clear case of the latter. Looking at Pennsylvania Highways, this is probably the former, since it was a continuous route until 1966. --NE2 09:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The two segments were once a continuous route, like NY 24 was. So there's no reason to have two articles on a single route that was once continuous. As you said NE2, if we were talking about PA 17, then that'd be a different story. --TMF ^{T - C} 18:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 29 has been merged as one article. --myselfalso 22:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2

Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Shield Request(s)

Requesting , please. It's needed on List of crossings of the Schuylkill River. Thanks --J Clear 20:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. --TMF ^{T - C} 00:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Pennsylvania-State-Highway-stub

Unless there is any opposition, I am going to rename this template to pash-stub. I think that it's easier to use. --myselfalso 02:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. --myselfalso 02:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah the stub sorters get mad when you do that... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 66

It was brought to my attention today that an article for the Amos K. Hutchinson Bypass exists. However, the entire length of the road is part of Pennsylvania Route 66, and I have requested that both pages be merged into PA 66, as there's no need to have two articles on the same stretch of road. Please comment at Pennsylvania Route 66. Thanks. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 23:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Crackdown time

A HUGE amount of articles have been created lately that violate virtually every MoS on Wikipedia, whether it be the big one or WP:PASH. As you can see here, chronic violation of these policies will not be taken lightly. With that said, these articles are in dire need of cleanup, and all further articles are to abide by the project standards. Thank you. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 04:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Mon/Fayette Expressway

Also, this article should be renamed to "Pennsylvania Route 43" to conform to the project guidelines. Thoughts? --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 04:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I have performed the move. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 22:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge and a split

A couple of proposals have arisen over the past couple of days:

• A proposal to merge U.S. Route 309 into Pennsylvania Route 309.
• A proposal to split a section on Pennsylvania Route 222 in the U.S. Route 222 article into its own article and eliminating the PA 222 → US 222 redirect.

Opinions on both proposals are welcome. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 23:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I agree with both. While our content should not be biased towards the present, our organization should - otherwise State Route 37 (Virginia) would be a disambiguation page like State Route 44 (Virginia). Thus the 222 split makes a lot of sense, since they are now separate routes. (The same applies to Maryland Route 222, formerly part of US 222.) The case of 309 is equivalent to a renumbering in which the type rather than the number was changed, like State Route 64 (Virginia pre-1958) redirecting to State Route 63 (Virginia). --NE2 00:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Shields

Shields are now complete for all past and present PA routes. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 05:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions poll voting for Part 2

Directions

• Please add your name using the format # '''Support''' ~~~ (three tildes) below the principle which you endorse. You cannot vote more than once but you can discuss.
• DO NOT change and/or otherwise edit votes that are not yours (except for those of confirmed abusive sockpuppets, to be nullified only by one of the six judging admins, and those who have not reached the 100-edit threshold, in which case anyone may strike out).

Reminder

• Voting commences at 23:59, Sunday, September 3, 2006 (UTC).
• Voting ends 23:59, Tuesday, September 12, 2006 (UTC).
• The current time is 07:43, Wednesday June 11, 2008 (UTC).

The following is a transclusion from another page. Edits (like commenting and voting) are made by clicking the "edit" links to the right of the headings below. This will redirect you to the original page's edit box. You can't make edits to the section below by clicking the "edit this page" tab at the top of this page (you will only see the transclusion code). Your edits will be viewable here, the original page, and on the second page of the State Route Naming Conventions poll.

If anyone has any ideas that is in line with Principle I, [State Name] [Road Term] XX feel free to add them.

Convention 1: Pennsylvania Route x

This is the convention used for Pennsylvania routes. See WP:PASH. Also see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pennsylvania_State_Highways/Archive_01#Naming Convention for debate about naming convention.

1. Support. I see no reason to change it from what has been established at PASH. --myselfalso
2. Support - fits P1 and P2. --SPUI (T - C) 05:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Support – agree w/ User:Myselfalso — Homefryes ^Say•_Do 07:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Support per Myselfalso. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
5. Support per others. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 19:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
6. Support if that's what the project decided, and it follows both principles, no need to change it.-Jeff ^(talk) 02:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Can we consider this convention ratified? This was previously discussed at WP:PASH, and there seems (I can't stress that enough) to be a general consensus. --myselfalso 02:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Then you can go ahead and request exemption. --physicq210 02:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Here's just an idea I had: why not vote on an exemption and kill two birds with one stone. If you ask for an exemption, then we have to decide if that's really what the state wants; a poll here would settle any confusion. Would this work for all? You could put up notices on the talk pages of those who have already voted to let them know that exemption is an option. It's just a suggestion. --TinMan 04:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I think what Myselfalso wants is not an exemption (which sounds like we're trying to bypass the standardized convention, which is certainly not the case) but more of a "speedy close", if you will, like what happened with Minnesota, since this convention has already been discussed, is already in place and would require no page moves or anything of the like. --TMF ^{T - C} 06:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Yes, a "speedy close" is a more appropriate term to be used here. So, is anyone opposed to a "speedy close" for this vote? --myselfalso 11:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
          • It should be exempted... you didn't have to even put this up for discussion, just point to the discussion and request exemption. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Exempted. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Convention 2: Pennsylvania State Route x

This is the former convention used in the early days of WP:PASH.

Pennsylvania Route 441

On the Pennsylvania Route 441 page, the Intersections table links to Middletown, Pennsylvania (a disambig page) instead of Middletown, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania (the correct article). Because of the way the template is set up, I can't figure out how to change it so it links to the right page and still says just "Middletown" on the table. Could someone take care of that? --CrazyLegsKC 19:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 20:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --CrazyLegsKC 01:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 278 (Pennsylvania)

Has anyone heard of this? I've marked it for deletion because I couldn't find any sources. --NE2 23:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

A Google search comes up dry. My guess is that either the creator of the article mistook it for another I-x78 interstate or the article is purely speculation. In either case, I have no problems with its deletion. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 01:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly this image, from 1967 according to the description, seems to suggest that plans for an Allentown bypass may have existed prior to the rerouting of I-78 in 1969, but there is no information about it anywhere on the Internet to confirm this, let alone that it was to be numbered I-278. Krimpet 02:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Are there any maps of that area from the 1960s? --myselfalso 20:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Route description and major cities

I was wondering, having peer-reviewed a Pennsylvania article, whether there was really a need to have a separate major cities section, since major cities, in theory, should be covered in the route description. It seems to me that the cities section is redundant. Maybe it's just me, though - I'd like to hear what you guys have to say. Thanks a lot! —Scott5114↗ 21:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A number of approaches could be taken for this. One is that the section could be turned into a standalone infobox like what is done currently at WP:NYSR. Another is that the list is moved to the routebox and the criteria for inclusion is raised so we don't list every single dot on the map in the box. The third option, one that I would have a hard time dealing with, would be its complete removal. Either (1) or (2) work for me, personally. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 22:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Should I make the changes to Pennsylvania Route 145? As to TwinsMetsFan's option 1. -- JohnnyAlbert10 ^{Time to talk · My Help} 21:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:PASH newsletter

WP:PASH/NEWS

I have taken the initiative to begin the project newsletter for our wikiproject. However, due to time constraints, I'm not sure how often I'll be able to do the upkeep. Plus, I'm looking to contributors. Please contact me if you'd like to help out! --myselfalso 23:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 11:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates

All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. master son^{T - C} 16:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

List of minor routes in Pennsylvania

Some articles that are about roads with little information have been merged into this list. If you know an article that is about a 1 to 10 mile long state route and the route doesn't have much to talk about; please merge the article onto List of minor routes in Pennsylvania, or post a comment here. Thank You. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 23:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)