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[edit] Cypriot pound and Maltese lira

As 1 January 2008 approaches, the day Cyprus and Malta join the euro, we must prepare for the change on Wikipedia. I am pre-emptively making a list so that we can make the change quickly and minimize edit conflicts. We also need to pat attention to verb tense and any mention of the total number of states and population that use the euro.

A lot of changes
Some changes
Trivial changes

Images

For Venezuelan bolívar

Please feel free to add to the list or leave any comment. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to remind everyone that the Cypriot pound and the Maltese lira will circulate alongside the euro until January 3, 2008. Also, Venezuela will reevaluate the bolívar. The new ISO 4217 code will be VEF. – Zntrip 17:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I've compiled another list for the bolívar. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I have updated local copies of DOLLAR_AND_EURO_IN_THE_WORLD.svg, Euro_accession.png, and Euro_outside.PNG. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Whoever updates the euro article first, please remember to add Template:Currencies of Asia to that page, since Cyprus's adoption will mean that the currency is used on yet one more continent. (212.247.11.155 (talk) 14:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC))

Remember to update Cyprus in 40 minutes, and Malta one hour later! (212.247.11.155 (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC))

It seems someone through a monkey wrench into our bolívar list by making the page Bolívar fuerte. I don't know if it is a new currency entirely or just a reevaluation of the old one. – Zntrip 07:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Up to now, our standard has been to consider it a new currency if the currency's name is changed on the notes and coins, and to consider it a mere revaluation if it's not. As the new notes and coins still feature only "bolívar", I'd venture that there should be no new article... —Nightstallion 16:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pattern Coin

I've expanded the pattern coin page so that it is not a stub anylonger. However, it now almost only focus on US patterns. Maybe someone can expand it with information about foreign patterns? Also a part about the 2 major reference books, Pollock and Judd can be welcome. Pictures could be good too. Dennis88 (talk) 13:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Meiji coinage in Japan

See corollary thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Pre-Meiji coinage in Japan

An exchange of views at Talk:Japanese yen#Etymology is developing. Attention is focused on two sentences only:

En literally means "round object" in Japanese, as yuan does in Chinese, referring to the ancient Chinese coins that were circular in shape and widely used in Japan up to the Tokugawa Period. In 1695, the character 元 (ghen), signifying "round or rounded") was placed on the obverse of copper coins.
The reference source for this fact is:

As I understand it, other editors are incredulous, suggesting that this data is likely to be spurious because confirmation is not readily found in conventional numismatic reference books which concern themselves with coins in general circulation during the Edo period Tokugawa shogunate in Japan.

I wonder whether constructive comments or other helpful contributions are better solicited here in this venue. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

End of thread: The two questionable sentences were removed from Japanese yen in the absence of further, specific corroborating reference material. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article title

Why is there an article about Japanese yen instead of Japanese en? Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style#Article titles suggests that it should be called Japanese en (i.e. local name, not a translation). The Japanese currency isn't mentioned amongst the exceptions, and no transliteration standard will result in "yen".

And it says: "All different rubles, even though it is spelled рубль, рубель, and рубл in Russian, Belarusian, and Tajik. And no transliteration standards will result in "ruble"."

Why is that exception in place? There is no page for Dutch guilder, despite that name being as common as Russian rouble/Russian ruble.

(Stefan2 (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC))

The 'yen' is by far the common English name, which is preferred by policy. Wikipedia policy takes precedence over our article title style guide. +Hexagon1 (t) 00:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding a currency table...

Soviet rouble#Replacement currencies in the former Soviet republics has a column about "Planning to join the euro", and apparently EEK, LTL and LVL are marked with "yes" in that column, while all other currencies are marked with "no". But is that true? I seem to understand that the governments of GE and UA want to join the EU, so I suppose that the governments of those countries also want GEL and UAH to join the EUR, although the plans would be on a much less preparatory state (the issuing countries aren't even official EU candidates yet). And god knows what the governments of other countries might have in their minds. For example, at a point with bad relations with RU, the president of BY suggested that BYR might join the EUR at some point. Maybe the column title should be changed into something better? How would "Bound to join the euro" sound? (Stefan2 (talk) 00:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

What about "obliged to join"? Your suggestion is fine by me too. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 18:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't some pages be moved?

Kazakhstani tenge -> Kazakh tenge Kyrgyzstani som -> Kyrgyz som Tajikistani somoni -> Tajik somoni Turkmenistani manat -> Turkmen manat Uzbekistani som -> Uzbek som

Or what do you think? (Stefan2 (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

No -- the discussion on this has taken several times, and the -stani form is the correct adjective of the country, as opposed to the ethnic demonym. —Nightstallion 01:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Then why is the currency of Afghanistan listed as "Afghan" and not as "Afghanistani"? (Stefan2 (talk) 17:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Remonetisation

Is that a word? Should it be "redenomination"? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, what that article talks about is redenomination, altho remonetize and remonetization are words meaning to make into legal tender again [1] and [2]. Joe I 06:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, it seems to me that "redenomination" is still a better word. Sometimes this process introduces a new unit that is never seen before. So "to make into legal tender again" doesn't always describe the process. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
From User talk:Tabletop, one can see that the author of the Remonetisation article agrees. Remonetisation means something else, so cannot be redirected. Karl (talk) 09:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] banknotes.com links

There are several dozen of these links in our articles that appear to have been spammed. Before I or someone else goes ripping them all out, I thought I post a note here to make sure there wasn't some compelling reason not to. There's also a good chance they may need to be blacklisted

I notice there's already some discussion at Talk:Roman currency:

--A. B. (talk) 03:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish ducat in 1500s

Hey guys. Not sure if this is the place for it or not but it seems like this WP would be the best place to ask this. Over at the Francis Drake article we've run into a problem. At one point in the article it says "King Philip II was claimed to have offered a reward of 20,000 ducats (about $10 million by 2007 standards) for his life." but then later it says "37,000 ducats of Spanish money (almost 4 million by modern standards)." This was recently noticed and a {{what}} tag was placed. It's been talked about a little on the talk page, but we can't find how much a ducat is compared to modern US money. The first event with King Philip II offering it was in 1582. Not sure the exact date of the second mention but it is ca. 1589. Thanks for the help! Deflagro C/T 23:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got help from the Help Desk instead. Deflagro C/T 02:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Euro coins

Template:Euro coins has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The discussion has been closed as a Speedy keep, per the arguments put forth in the previous TfD. In addition, the concern over the use of non-free images outside the mainspace has been resolved. If you are aware of any articles that this template was transcluded onto in the past, but from which it has now been removed, please feel free to restore it. Happy‑melon 13:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ISO 4217 codes for obsolete currencies

User:81.168.80.170 recently edited a considerable number of obsolete currency articles to include "ISO 4217" codes even when the currency was obsolete long before the adoption of ISO 4217 in 1978. Apparently he got the codes from here, but while it's interesting that the Swedish Kopparplatmynt (1625-1776) apparently has code "SEC", and the contemporaneous Daler Silvermynt "SED", and Paper Daler "SEP", I'm not convinced that it serves any useful purpose to have such codes in articles on currencies which ceased to have validity before 1978. Can I canvass opinions here on whether we should include them? -- Arwel (talk) 01:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

While the excel sheet is a valuable resource, it is not without errors from my own experience of researching with it. I suggest we refrain from using it as the sole source. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reliable source for ISO codes for obsolete currencies? (212.247.11.156 (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Don's coin site

If anyone would look at the links at the end of the Iraqi dinar page the site is constantly deleted as span. Any thoughts? Enlil Ninlil (talk) 04:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Coin questions

I made a couple of comments about this at Talk:British two pence coin, but I think that page gets little traffic, so I'll ask here.

  • The template seems to have been set up to cope with only one obverse and reverse design image, so I'm assuming it's standard practice to depict the most recent design (or, in the event that there is a standard coin with variant special isses, the standard design). The "design", "designer" and "design date" fields seem to assume that only one design is being covered in the infobox, so I'm assuming it's standard practice for these fields to relate to the design that's depicted. Is this correct?
  • I'm confused about what "design date" is supposed to mean. It seems that some interpret it as the date that the design was originally conceived. To me it ought to be the date that the design first appeared on the coins. Any views? 86.140.130.168 (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] articles

here are a few articles me and some other fellow have been working on that u may wanna add to WikiProject Numismatics.

  1. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2002
  2. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2003
  3. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2004
  4. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2005
  5. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2006
  6. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2007
  7. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France): 2008Kevin hipwell (talk) 01:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  8. Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Spain)Kevin hipwell (talk) 17:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Noted Numismatists

I was thinking of starting a list of noted Numismatists. However I am not sure whether I should add it as a separate article or as a subsection of the Numismatics article.

The format of the list would be something like Greek Numismatics/Roman/Middle Ages/Islamic. If any one wants to do the Modern section you can, becuase I definetly do not know enough on the subject.

I also intend to write a series of articles/biographies which will include the bibliographies of these numismatists.

It may be good to clarify that I am talking about scholars and not collectors or merchants.

What do you think? - Getas75 (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Clain-Stefanelli's bibliography of all numismatic books has indexes for 'Authors' (people who wrote about coins) and Collectors (people who owned coins). I'd like to see the Noted Numismatists broken up this way, plus a category for noted coin dealers for folks like Stephen Fenton.

(Clain-Stefenelli also had indexes for Personal Names (people who appeared on coins), Geographical Terms (places), Numismatic Terms, and Public Collections. A Public Collections category would be good for articles like Numismatic Museum of Athens. The Names and Geographical might be interesting categories, but like the 'ancient mints' category they might be difficult in practice. I'd also like to see a category for Numismatic books, for articles like the ones on the Standard Catalogs and the Red Book, possibly with sub-categories for ancient/medieval/modern.) - esnible (talk) 28 April 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 12:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Exonumia stubs

Greetings! I have nominated this category, although not the template, for deletion, as it has been underfilled and unmaintained. See WP:SFD for discussion. Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Numiszendium

You can find a link here; [3]. The Numiszendium is being opened up only to serious collectors & numismatic writers by invitation only. In addition, a real names policy is being imposed to deter spammers and vandals. - (131.203.104.10 (talk) 04:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC))