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[edit] Ye Olde NY 35 (1927)

Currently, New York State Route 35 (1927) redirects to U.S. Route 20 in New York and New York State Route 35 (1930s) redirects to New York State Route 383, which was correct for what was originally known about the NY 35 designation. However, new information has come to light (by way of my 1935 RMcN) indicating that these routes were not separate; instead, they were the same route, extending from downtown Buffalo to Ontario Center at its greatest extent c. 1935. I find it erroneous to have two redirects for the same route point to two different articles with essentially two halves of the history; instead, I believe they should redirect to one place and that one place should go in-depth on NY 35 (1927)'s complete history. The question is where should that one place be?

The closest thing to a successor route is NY 383, which replaced NY 35 from Mumford to Walworth in the early 1940s. However, the main issue that I have with covering NY 35 in NY 383 is that it makes it difficult, if not impossible, to cover the two suffixed routes that this incarnation of NY 35 had (one in eastern Buffalo and another in eastern Rochester). The other option is to give NY 35 (1927) its own article, where all of its history and suffixed routes would unquestionably reside. The issue with this, albeit minor, is that in its final form, which is traditionally used for a former route's description, it largely overlaps modern NY 383, NY 286, and NY 350; counterpoint, NY 35 followed a routing through downtown Rochester that is now devoid of any state routes, so that piece would be "original", making the nature of the description largely identical to NY 47 (mid-1930s).

I personally prefer to give NY 35 its own article, but I wanted to get some feedback on this before I do anything. – TMF 03:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Old 35 actually ended in Canawaugus (near Avon) prior to the 1930 renumbering, and was extended to Ontario Center as part of the renumbering. Because the old route now has multiple designations, it might be best to create a separate article. Some overlap is inevitable in this case but I don't have a problem with that. A related old route that might need to be treated similarly is New York State Route 39 (1920s).
Also, this discussion at WT:USRD seems related to this issue. --Polaron | Talk 15:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I see a lot of similarities between this and that, but this (to me anyway) is much less clear-cut than that situation due to 1) the final routing of NY 35 being given two numbers upon removal (383 and 350) and 2) the existence of two suffixed routes, NY 35A in Buffalo and NY 35B in Rochester. Now, if the suffixed routes didn't exist, I'd probably be in favor of covering everything in NY 383 (since all of late 1930s NY 35 except for five miles in Wayne County initially was renumbered to 383) but different situations require different approaches IMO. – TMF 16:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Similarly...

New York State Route 338 was recently created; however, it covers both the original and 1980 routes in a departure from the current USRD practice of dedicating numbered route articles to that specific alignment and not to its designation. So, unquestionably, it needs to be split, but the question is how? Should one of them keep the NY 338 article while the other goes to "New York State Route 338 (19xx)"? Should NY 338 become a dab and the article split into two new articles titled "New York State Route 338 (19xx)"? Unlike NY 35, there is no current alignment of the number; unlike NY 47, the last use of the designation was not the one that existed the longest. For these reasons, I'm puzzled as to what should go where, but one thing is for sure: it needs to be split in some way. – TMF 03:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't have the time to create or do the work right now, but here's my suggestion: New York State Route 338 (Saratoga County) and New York State Route 338 (Washington County) with my rationale being that regardless of dates or length of designation, each period's route fell entirely into a different (neighboring) county and could be separated that way. Doing the dates might be confusing because they'd have to include a range of years (and more text), and the same year for one's end was the same as the other's beginning. Fwgoebel (talk) 17:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rockland County Road list problem

Over on List of county routes in Rockland County, New York (1-38), I see a problem with Rockland CR 28 that I can't fix. The intersections chart has a redlink for Blauvelt State Park that I'm having trouble converting to blue. ----DanTD (talk) 12:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. I just redirected it to the proper article. ----DanTD (talk) 13:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NYSR Member Meet-Up?

I'm wondering if there are any members that would care to meet at some point, perhaps for a half day to a day, this summer. I would propose someplace where if any of us has any maps or other physical items that could be presented and reviewed yet safeguarded; another thought would be some WiFi hotspot where we could be able to access our project and perhaps do some editing with some face to face collaboration (but I don't have any of the Thruway service areas on my list). Location is definitely a concern, but with our shared love for our highways, I wonder if such a meeting should be a bit of a drive for everyone, to make the most of whatever round trip we as individuals would make. I'd guess not all would have vehicles, of course. Thoughts? Fwgoebel (talk) 02:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Strangely, I'll be camping in Glens Falls in July, maybe we could do it there? I'm not sure how much people this would attract.Mitch32contribs 12:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Glens Falls is pretty far away from the majority of New York, so maybe a central location like Albany would be better. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to any location at all. Albany would be extremely convenient to me and therefore, I'd oppose it out of deference to those in Rochester/Buffalo areas. I'd rather go somewhere central, that's at least a drive for everyone (again, so we can experience our roads on said trip) but isn't an extreme for anyone if we can help it. Perhaps...oh, Tully or Homer comes to mind, or even Norwich. Fwgoebel (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
All three are a drive for me- Why not something like Columbia County and the Hudson Valley? I could get there and it would be easier.Mitch32contribs 16:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I know of a few members who live in the Hudson Valley, so Columbia County would probably be one of the best places for it. Another possible location would be NYC, but that could be tough to do. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Participant Demographics

If you may be interested in doing a meetup during the summer of 2008, please add yourself to the table below and complete the other appropriate data that describes your situation and/or interests. Placing yourself here does not commit you. As of now, there is no date yet set, nor is a meetup definitely happening. Return to this table and update yourself as your needs change.

User Region (Residence) Distance willing to travel Mode of transport Comments
Fwgoebel (talk · contribs) Albany/Capital Entire state Own vehicle
Juliancolton (talk · contribs) Hudson Valley Hudson Valley — Tentative
Mitchazenia (talk · contribs) New Jersey Hudson Valley own vehicle