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    [edit] Agreed decisions (style, approach, etc)

    1. Articles which would fall under this project should have the template {{NLPproject}} added to their page at the top, letting readers know that there is a project and possibly style or content standards concerning that page.
    2. Pages that contain mixed NLP and non-NLP uses need consideration as to whether the subject matter warrants creating a separate NAME (NLP) article, if this might be helpful. (It won't always be appropriate, discuss here if unsure)

    [edit] Articles involved and current status

    A list of pages tagged as being part of the {{NLPproject}} can be found here

    Quick ideas: the following would probably be considered examples of tools which were either developed within, or built into the core of, classic NLP. It's not necessarily complete yet. The categorization is mine, for convenience:

    Definitions and principles
    Models
    Working methods and tools
    Theoretical constructs, definitions, background and other

    [edit] Quick reference list of tasks or controversies

    This section lists stuff known needed -- as it gets done please ask others to check!

    1. Check all NLP artciles that should be in the wikiproject, are tagged as such.
    2. Clean up "principles/fundamentals" back into that article, out of main article
    3. Add "generally negative studies" to "list of studies"

    [edit] General Discussion

    Literature (1972-1985)
    1. Structure of Magic Vol 1. 1975a (100 citations)
    2. Structure of Magic Vol 2. 1975b
    3. Frogs into Princes (Bandler & Grinder, 1979)
    4. Reframing (19XX)
    5. Unlimited Power (Robbins, 19XX)
    6. Patterns of Milton Erickson Vol.1 (1976)
    7. Patterns of Milton Erickson Vol.2 (1977)
    8. NLP Volume 1 (Dilts et al. 1980)
    9. Dilts, Roots of NLP (1983)
    10. Dilts, Applications of NLP (1985?)

    Do you want to include the developers in this Project. Or limit it to the concepts and theory only? --Comaze 10:26, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

    The draft list of "original developers" is useful, but no, thats biography not NLP. Its a useful list so I'm putting it here for when we need it: Richard Bandler ... John Grinder ... Judith Delozier ... Robert Dilts ... Leslie Cameron-Bandler ... Stephen Gilligan ... Steve Andreas ... Connirae Andreas ... Christina Hall ... Frank Prucelik
    Standardise citations.
    1. I want to use standardised notation and citations throughout the entire project. The same style as in Structure of Magic Volume 1. --Comaze 10:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
      They should probably be heavily cited, more than usual, in view of the controvery surrounding the subject. Whilst I don't think there is such controversy over individual concepts or methods, it is clear some editors would wish for full formal citations, we should respect that, IMO. FT2 12:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
    Categories

    I have removed Template:NLPproject from pages which are *not* NLP pages, such as the map-territory article. We can look at those in a while. Meantime it would be presumptuous to be appearing to "claim" them for NLP. FT2 15:39, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

    Logical Levels in NLP

    So that we can include all definitions of logical levels, and chunking, and the controversy that surrounds them; I want to rename the Neurological levels article to:

    • Logical levels (NLP) (Dilts, Bateson, Russell, Grinder)

    [edit] template

    Please don't add the template to articles, rather add it to the talk pages. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:NLPproject to see which articles need it moving onto talk pages. thanks Martin 16:42, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

    Okay. Removed to talk pages. User:Comaze note :)
    Also, no need (yet) to create blank pages without content -- not really wikipedia policy is it to allow those??? Or at least add a few lines from a source text and a {{stub}} tag FT2 17:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
    Noted. :) --Comaze 23:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

    [edit] Issues needing urgent attention

    I think the following issues are in need of urgent attention:

    1. The article Persuasion uses of NLP needs some good and sourced items, to a high standard. See the political section for what I mean. Ideally examples that clearly show it is not by chance, and taken seriously, and evaluated as effective, otherwise they will indeed be poor examples of its use. I also want to add a section on cult-like uses, for neutrality, which I haven't got round to yet, we could grab that off the main article.
    2. Can we check out psychological, psychiatric, counselling and clinical professional bodies, for indications of their views on NLP. Examples might be whether they refer to NLP therapists on their website, whether they will refer clients to NLP therapists or have them as members, whether they host themselves talks on it, and so on. A list of credible bodies and what could be found, would be fine.
    3. Ditto (secondarily) for clinical acceptance (or otherwise) of Ericksonian hypnotherapy (because it's NLP-derived).

    There's a reason I'm hoping to tackle these first.

    FT2 11:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

    1. NLP has been used by a number of individual psychiatrists, psychiatric nurses, cognitive counsellors, general practitioners. However, there aren't many non-NLP peer-reviewed articles published on the efficacy of NLP in specific clinical problems, due to a number of reasons, including the lack of endorsement from academic circles, NLP practitioner lack of resources in conducting clinical trial, technical difficulties designing well-designed studies in psychotherapy etc. You will most likely find personal testimonies rather than numerical data. There was an RCT by Krugman 1985 on comparing speech anxiety of subjects with waiting for 1 hr against single session phobia intervention, disproofing any differences between the two. However, this study did not reflect authentic clinical problems, such as PSTD, so it is hard to extrapolate actual clinical effectiveness from this study alone. Acosta et. al. discussed about the use of various techniques like NLP, Ericksonian hypnosis, Emergency Medical Hypnosis by emergency mental health practitionners in situations like the 9/11. Int J Emerg Ment Health. 2002 Spring;4(2):119-26
    2. Ericksonian therapy is not NLP-derived. It's important to distinguish 2 versions of Ericksonian hypnosis, namely, Ericksonian School of Hypnotherapy, based on teachings of Erickson, Rossi et.al., and Ericksonian Hypnosis as modeled by Richard Bandler (NLP map of Ericksonian Hypnosis). Like most forms of psychotherapy, it is extremely hard to evaluate Ericksonian hypnotherapy using randomized controlled trials. I think Ericksonian hypnotherapy has a slightly better recognition in psychiatry than NLP, but it is still far from mainstream. Also it is a lot easier to train residences to prescribe psychotropic medication and train residences to do therapy. There are a number of case studies on Ericksonian hypnosis (non-NLP version) published in peer-reviewed journals. (see Pubmed) --Dejakitty 00:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Posts related to sockpuppet master user:HeadleyDown (blocked)

    Linking NLP Disambiguation Page to Principles of NLP

    I am sorry to see the mess with NLP on Wikipedia. I have asked the admin Violetriga to make a link from the disambiguation page to the principles of NLP in addition to the Neuro-Linguistic Programming article. Violetriga has also inserted a link from the disputed Neurolinguistic Programming article to the Principles article. Unfortunately, Headley has removed the admin's edit. Good luck with your project. --Dejakitty 12:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

    Comaze's request for help

    So Comaze, what did you want help with? HeadleyDown 12:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Project directory

    Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Paul McKenna

    The above article has the NLP navbox even though the McKenna article is not referenced in the Navbox. Is there a NLP category that the article could be tagged with instead? -- The Red Pen of Doom 10:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)